TURKEY - EGYPT Military Power Comparison

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NAVAL POWER COMPARISON ( Egypt vs Turkey )


Egyptian Navy

4 GOWIND class Corvettes

National origin : France
Status : in service
1 × OTO Melara 76 mm Gun
16 x MICA-VL SAMs
8 x EXOCET anti ship missiles
6 x Torpedos

4 OHP class Frigates

National origin : USA
Status : in service
1 × OTO Melara 76 mm Gun
32 x SM-1MR SAMs
8 x HARPOON anti ship missiles
6 x MU-90 Torpedos

1 FREMM class Frigate

National origin : France
Status : in service
1 × OTO Melara 76 mm Gun
16 x ASTER-15 SAMs
8 x EXOCET anti ship missiles
6 x MU-90 Torpedos

4 MEKO-A200 class Frigates

National origin : Germany
Status : under negotiation
1 × 127 mm Gun
32 x Umkhonto-R SAMs
8 x HARPOON or RBS-15 anti ship missiles
6 x MU-90 Torpedos

2 BERGAMINI class Frigates

National origin : Italy
Status : in Talks ( deal not signed yet )
1 × 127 mm Gun
16 x ASTER-15 SAMs
8 x OTOMAT MK2 anti ship missiles
6 x MU-90 Torpedos

4 Type-209 class Submarines

National origin : Germany
Status : 2 in service and more 2 until 2021
HARPOON anti ship missiles
DM2A4 Torpedos

Egyptian Navy doesnt have Anti Submarine Warfare Aircraft



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Turkish Navy


4 ADA class Corvettes

National origin : TURKEY
Status : in service
1 × OTO Melara 76 mm Gun
21 x RIM-116 SAMs
8 x HARPOON anti ship missiles
6 x MK-46 Torpedos

4 OHP class Frigates

National origin : USA
Status : in service
1 × OTO Melara 76 mm Gun
32 x SM-1MR SAMs
8 x HARPOON anti ship missiles
6 x MU-90 Torpedos

4 modernized GABYA class Frigates

National origin : USA
Status : in service
250 km SMART-S MK2 3D Radar
GENESIS Advanced Combat Management System
1 × OTO Melara 76 mm Gun
32 x SM-1MR SAMs
32x ESSM SAMs
8 x HARPOON anti ship missiles
6 x MU-90 Torpedos

4 modernized MEKO-200 ( BARBAROS ) class Frigates

National origin : Germany
Status : in service as of 2025
-- Havelsan Network Enabled Data Integrated (GENESIS ADVENT) Combat Management System
-- Aselsan TAKS Fire Control System
-- Aselsan SMART-S MK-II 3D Radar
-- Aselsan MAR-D 3B AESA Radar
-- Aselsan AKR-D X and Ka-Band fire control Radars
-- Aselsan ARES-2N Electronic Warfare System
-- Aselsan PIRI Panoramic Infrared Imaging - KATS Infrared Search and Track system
-- Aselsan FERSAH Carina Mounted Sonar System
-- Aselsan HIZIR Torpedo counter measure System

-- 127 mm Gun
-- Aselsan STOP 25mm Remote Controlled Stabilized Cannon System
-- Aselsan GOKDENIZ 35mm CIWS
-- 64 x ESSM or HISAR Air Defense Missiles
-- 16 x ATMACA Anti ship Missiles
-- 6 x MK-46 Torpedoes

4 ISTIF class Frigates .... ( to replace 4 MEKO-200 Track-I Frigates )

National origin : TURKEY
Status : under construction
1 × OTO Melara 76 mm Gun
64 x ESSM SAMs
16 x ATMACA anti ship missiles
6 x MK-46 Torpedos

12 Type-209 class Submarines

National origin : Germany
Status : in service
Aselsan ARES2SC Submarine Radar ESM System
HARPOON anti ship missiles
DM2A4 and TIGER FISH Torpedos

12 Anti Submarine Warfare Aircrafts ( 6 CN-235 and 6 ATR-72 )

National origin : Spain/Italy
Status : in service
Armament : MK-46 and MK-54 Torpedos

FUTURE WEAPONS


10 New Type FACs

National origin : TURKEY
Status : under development
250 km SMART-S MK2 3D Radar
1 × OTO Melara 76 mm Gun
21 x RIM-116 SAMs
8 x ATMACA anti ship missiles

7 TF-2000 class Destroyers

National origin : TURKEY
Status : under development ( will be in service by 2027 )
GENESIS Combat Management System
CAFRAD Multi Functional Phased Array Radar ( 450km )
Aselsan ARES-2N Electronic Warfare System
Aselsan HIZIR Torpedo counter measure System
Aselsan HIZIR-LFAS Low Frequency Towed Active Sonar

64 cells VLS

1 x 127 mm Oto Melara Naval Gun ( 120 km )
16 x ATMACA Anti ship Missiles ( 220+km )
HISAR Air Defense Missile
SIPER Air Defense Missile
GEZGIN Naval Cruise Missile ( 800 km )
RUM-139 VL ASROC anti submarine Missile
35 mm KORKUT-D CIWS ( airbust ammunition )
25 mm Aselsan STAMP
ORKA Lightweight Torpedo
Sikorsky S-70B Seahawk Helicopter

6 Type-214 class AIP Submarines

National origin : Germany
Status : in service between 2021 and 2026
Aselsan ARES2SC Submarine Radar ESM System
ATMACA anti ship missile ( 220+ km )
GEZGIN Cruise missile ( 800 km )
AKYA Torpedo
Aselsan ZARGANA Submarine Torpedo Countermeasure System
Aselsan TORK anti-torpedo Torpedo

 

[vishwambhar]

I think Egypt should start looking to install Aster 30 instead of Aster 15 which is on it's Fremm frigates.... Aster 30 will make it one hell of a deadly war ship....

One thing I don't understand about Brazil.... that country is double plus size of India and India size wise itself is one intercontinental type country.... so Brazil to protect its vast landmass must have a very powerful military.... they do have powerful economy to support such things.... still don't know why they are so lazy....

 

[SBUS-CXK]

Brazil's industrial capacity has been weakened by the US. but its aviation industry is still very strong.

Embraer is the world's top commercial aircraft manufacturer.

 

[vishwambhar]

Brazil's industrial capacity has been weakened by the US. but its aviation industry is still very strong.

Embraer is the world's top commercial aircraft manufacturer.

But do they have capability to build fighter jets like EU, China, Russia?

 

[SBUS-CXK]

But do they have capability to build fighter jets like EU, China, Russia?

I don't know.

If there is a better supplier. I think they can make a fighter similar to the Swedish JAS-39. but this is within the allowable range of the US.

 

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I think Egypt should start looking to install Aster 30 instead of Aster 15 which is on it's Fremm frigates .... Aster 30 will make it one hell of a deadly war ship

Egyptian FREMM Frigate has 16 cells A-43 VLS for only 16 ASTER-15 missiles
so Egyptian FREMM Frigate needs A-50 VLS to fire ASTER-30

if Egypt buys 2 BERGAMINI class Frigates from Italy then Italian Frigate has 16 cells A-50 VLS for 16 ASTER-15 or combined 8 ASTER-15 + 8 ASTER-30

ASTER-15 to intercept anti ship missile
ASTER-30 to intercept Fighter Jets

French SYLVER VLS has no quad-pack capability ... so pathetic

on the other hand American MK-41 VLS has quad-pack capability
and Turkish Frigates use American MK-41 VLS and The ESSM is loaded in a quad-pack with 4 missiles in one canister

Egyptian Navy FREMM Frigate 16 cells A-43 VLS for 16 ASTER-15 SAMs
Turkish Navy MEKO-200 and ISTIF class Frigates 16 cells MK-41 VLS for 64 ESSM SAMs

btw Egyptian Navy 1 FREMM Frigate armed with 8 EXOCET anti ship missiles
Turkish Navy 4 modernized MEKO-200 and 4 ISTIF Frigates will be armed with 16 ATMACA anti ship missiles

Egyptian Frigate can fire only one ASTER-15 to intercept one anti ship missile
but Turkish Frigates can fire even 4 ESSM to intercept one anti ship missile





btw 120km ASTER-30 can not engage on Turkish F-16s because of Turkish F-16s can fire SOM anti ship missile from 250 km away to hit FREMM Frigates

 

[vishwambhar]

Egyptian FREMM Frigate has 16 cells A-43 VLS for only 16 ASTER-15 missiles
so Egyptian FREMM Frigate needs A-50 VLS to fire ASTER-30

if Egypt buys 2 BERGAMINI class Frigates from Italy then Italian Frigate has 16 cells A-50 VLS for 16 ASTER-15 or combined 8 ASTER-15 + 8 ASTER-30

ASTER-15 to intercept anti ship missile
ASTER-30 to intercept Fighter Jets

French SYLVER VLS has no quad-pack capability ... so pathetic

on the other hand American MK-41 VLS has quad-pack capability
and Turkish Frigates use American MK-41 VLS and The ESSM is loaded in a quad-pack with 4 missiles in one canister

Egyptian Navy FREMM Frigate 16 cells A-43 VLS for 16 ASTER-15 SAMs
Turkish Navy MEKO-200 and ISTIF class Frigates 16 cells MK-41 VLS for 64 ESSM SAMs

btw Egyptian Navy 1 FREMM Frigate armed with 8 EXOCET anti ship missiles
Turkish Navy 4 modernized MEKO-200 and 4 ISTIF Frigates will be armed with 16 ATMACA anti ship missiles

Egyptian Frigate can fire only one ASTER-15 to intercept one anti ship missile
but Turkish Frigates can fire even 4 ESSM to intercept one anti ship missile





btw 120km ASTER-30 can not engage on Turkish F-16s because of Turkish F-16s can fire SOM anti ship missile from 250 km away to hit FREMM Frigates

Thanks for sharing such a valuable information.... it's a great addition in my knowledge....
How would you compare your homemade ATMACA missiles with Excocets in sophistication, accuracy?

 

[Rukarl]

Didnt even read the entire thread but saw a part claiming F16 being better than Rafale... LOL

 

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Thanks for sharing such a valuable information.... it's a great addition in my knowledge....
How would you compare your homemade ATMACA missiles with Excocets in sophistication, accuracy?

You are welcome


You can watch video about ATMACA anti ship missile ( pinpoint accuracy , super sea skimming ( less than 3 m ) and zigzag maneuver that makes it difficult for anti missile batteries )

EXOCET MM40 Block 3 Anti-ship Missile

National origin : FRANCE
Diameter : 350 mm
Length : 5.93 m
Weight : 780 kg
Warhead : 160 kg
Range : 180 km
Guidance : INS+GPS+RA
Seeker : Active RF
Speed : high subsonic
Network enabled capability : NO

ATMACA Anti ship Missile

National origin : TURKEY
Diameter : 350 mm
Length : 6 m
Weight : 800 kg
Warhead : 250 kg
Range : 220+ km
Guidance : INS+GPS+RA+DL
Seeker : Active RF + IIR ( block 2 version )
Speed : high subsonic
Network enabled capability : YES

-- super sea skimming ( less than 3 m )
-- zigzag maneuver that makes it difficult for anti missile batteries

 

[xuxu1457]

Just look at these rankings, and don't take them too seriously.
Israel is 18th. Basically be what part composition, how is each part weight, everything can adjust according to the rule if they want.

 

[striver44]

I'm interested when Turkey will induct the TF2000s, I think it will be on par with the bergamini class

 

[MMM-E]

I'm interested when Turkey will induct the TF2000s, I think it will be on par with the bergamini class

BERGAMINI class Frigate is trash firepower to compare with TF-2000 class Destroyer project

..... even Turkish ISTIF class Frigate is superior to Italian BERGAMINI in firepower


BERGAMINI class Frigate

National origin : Italy
1 × 127 mm Gun
16 x ASTER-15 SAMs
8 x OTOMAT MK2 anti ship missiles
6 x MU-90 Torpedos

ISTIF class Frigate

National origin : TURKEY
1 × OTO Melara 76 mm Gun
64 x ESSM SAMs
16 x ATMACA anti ship missiles
6 x MK-46 Torpedos

 

[MMM-E]

Didnt even read the entire thread but saw a part claiming F16 being better than Rafale... LOL

if you know nothing about military ...its your problem

Egyptian RAFALE has AESA Radar advantage .... nothing else


Turkish F-16s equipped with most modern systems and weapons such as

Link-16 System
Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suite (SPEWS II)
Joint Helmet Mounted Cueing Systems (JHMCS)
AN/AVS-9 Night Vision Goggles (NVG)
Modular Mission Computer
Advanced interrogator/transponder
Integrated precision navigation
LCD Color MFDs
Improved AVTR System
Multifunctional Information Distribution System
High speed Anti-Radar Missile Targeting System
and Turkey develops GaN based AESA Radar for F-16s



Egyptian RAFALE armed with only 50-60km MICA air to air missile

on the other hand Turkish F-16 armed with 120 km AIM-120C7 air to air missile + link 16 + Boeing E7T AEWC to beat Egyptian RAFALE in BVR combat

Turkish Airforce has cooperative engagement capability


btw 192 Turkish F-16 block50M/52 .... vs .... 24 Egyptian RAFALEs .... LOL


and never forget that Turkish GOKSUNGUR and MIUS jet engine powered UCAVs are coming which will be armed with 65km GOKDOGAN air to air missiles + AESA Radar + KEMENT tactical data link + Boeing E7T AEWC for cooperative engagement capability

only a few countries in the world ..... Egypt can not see this technology even in dreams





TURKISH AIRFORCE

CCIP Modernization for 163 F-16C/D block52 standard ( $3,9 billion ) between 2010 and 2015

COCKPİT
Modular Mission Computer , Advanced interrogator/transponder , Integrated precision navigation , LCD Color MFDs , Improved AVTR System

Self-Protection Electronic Warfare Suite (SPEWS II)

SPEWS-II is an advanced, internally mounted self protection system specifically designed for F-16C Block 50 Fighter Jets

Aselsan has started deliveries of 60 SPEWS-II to the Turkish Airforce

-- Radar Warning Receiver (RWR)
-- Electronic Countermeasures (ECM) Suite
-- Deceptive RF jamming
-- Intelligent control of chaff/ flare dispenser systems

Joint Helmet-Mounted Cueing System (JHMCS)

JHMCS provides support for raster scanned imagery to display FLIR/IRST pictures for night operations and provides collimated symbology and imagery to the pilot

Turkish F-16 pilots use JHMCS helmet displays targeting information on the helmet visor to allow pilots to lock-on and attack air-to-air (JHMCS+AIM-9X)
The systems gives flight crew members the ability to rapidly acquire and designate a target simply by looking at it

-- 26 km AIM-9x sidewinder
-- 120 km AIM-120C7 AMRAAM

Night Vision Cueing and Display (NVCD)




The JHMCS provides the pilot with "first look, first shot" high off-boresight weapons engagement capabilities. The system enables the pilot to accurately cue onboard weapons and sensors against enemy aircraft and ground targets without the need to aggressively turn the aircraft or place the target in the Head Up Display (HUD) field-of-view for designation. Critical information and symbology, such as targeting cues and aircraft performance parameters, are graphically displayed directly on the pilot's visor

Pilots depend on JHMCS to successfully execute air-to-air and air-to-ground tactical missions during daylight
NVCD/ ANVIS system is now matured to expand this critical capability to night missions

Link-16 Tactical Data Link

Link 16, Military Aircraft as well as Ships and Ground Forces may exchange their tactical picture in near real time. Link 16 also supports the exchange of text messages, imagery data and provides two channels of digital voic

Navigation & Targeting Pods

Turkish F-16s were the first F-16s outside the USAF to receive LANTIRN pods.
Its first LANTIRN equipped Block 40 F-16C in February 1994 and total of 158 F-16s were modified to accept LANTIRN ( Low Altitude Navigation and Targeting InfraRed for Night )

Aselsan has started deliveries of ASELPOD next generation targeting pods to the Turkish Airforce for day and night operations

SEAD/DEAD Role with exceptional results

CCIP modernized F-16s are equipped with the APG-68(V9) Radar, a secure-voice communication system, new radar warning receivers and the ability to carry and launch the AGM-88 HARM anti radiation missile , AGM-84 SLAM-ER and SOM Cruise Missiles for true SEAD capabilities

-- 150 km AGM-88 HARM anti radiation missile
-- 280 km AGM-84 SLAM-ER Cruise Missile
-- 280 km SOM Cruise Missile

AESA Radar by 2022

Aselsan AESA Radar is being pitched for integration on the Turkish air force's fleet of F-16s

AESA Radar will be capable of non-co-operative and automatic target recognition, while also featuring protection against radar frequency jamming, and has electronic support and electronic attack functions

Its air-to-air capabilities include extended-range search, track while scan modes and weather detection, as well as multiple target tracking, providing mid-course guidance for missiles and battle damage assessment.

For ground surveillance applications, the design features synthetic aperture radar (SAR) and ground moving target indication/tracking (GMTI/T) modes, along with air-to-ground ranging

Aselsan believes its AESA radar could eventually compete with systems such as Northrop Grumman's APG-83 Scalable Agile Beam Radar

 

[himate]

Just look at these rankings, and don't take them too seriously.
Israel is 18th. Basically be what part composition, how is each part weight, everything can adjust according to the rule if they want.

Egyptian coup regime is the new half child of the zionist masters so obviously they will give them false sense of power but in reality theyre no better than the Syrian arab army.

 

[vishwambhar]

You are welcome


You can watch video about ATMACA anti ship missile ( pinpoint accuracy , super sea skimming ( less than 3 m ) and zigzag maneuver that makes it difficult for anti missile batteries )

EXOCET MM40 Block 3 Anti-ship Missile

National origin : FRANCE
Diameter : 350 mm
Length : 5.93 m
Weight : 780 kg
Warhead : 160 kg
Range : 180 km
Guidance : INS+GPS+RA
Seeker : Active RF
Speed : high subsonic
Network enabled capability : NO

ATMACA Anti ship Missile

National origin : TURKEY
Diameter : 350 mm
Length : 6 m
Weight : 800 kg
Warhead : 250 kg
Range : 220+ km
Guidance : INS+GPS+RA+DL
Seeker : Active RF + IIR ( block 2 version )
Speed : high subsonic
Network enabled capability : YES

-- super sea skimming ( less than 3 m )
-- zigzag maneuver that makes it difficult for anti missile batteries

Awesome.... I heard India is buying some support ships from Turkey.... would love to see those ships having ATMACAs for Indian navy....