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Turkey can fatally respond to syrian regime by going indirect

armenia , sponsored by iran and russia , you hardly have any diplomatic relations with the world except a few countries , lives with diaspora , while people are dieing. We have good relations with georgia , azerbiajan , KKTC quite good with bulgaria , neutral with greece , very good relations with countries nearby.

Armenia has relations with 157 nations. The ones it does not have relations with are either Salafis or African nations(with which establishing relations would bring no discernable benefit). In the words of Method Man from American movie How High, "Find another way to be an @sshole."
 
Armenia has relations with 157 nations. The ones it does not have relations with are either Salafis or African nations(with which establishing relations would bring no discernable benefit). In the words of Method Man from American movie How High, "Find another way to be an @sshole."

Yet you are still a failed state with the worst economy in the area, how come?
 
Turkish policies actually start to amuse outside world :) Helping wahhabies from SA to create another Afghanistan at own borders and enjoing the process :) Installing terrorists camps and getting humilation from Syria. Crying to NATO just to be humilated again :) One has to wonder is everything is right with mental health of people who run Turkey? :) Did anyone in Turkey actually think what are you going to do next with the mess you created?

By the outside world you mean your own little world? No one is crying for anything. We are in NATO for a reason and asking for consultation was the right thing to do and we did it. You can fuk off now. Cheers.
 
Yet you are still a failed state with the worst economy in the area, how come?

Failed state? I faintly remember Armenia whooping Azeri @ss. Pretty good for a failed state;)

Georgia's economy is worse (in terms of GDP per capita). There overall GDP is inflated because of Western support. Russia's economic aid to Armenia is minimal.

Azeri economy is nothing to brag about either. The only reason the country even exists is because of oil/gas. Not to worry though, Azer oil will run out in 20 years and, because they have not diversified, Iran and Armenia will take everything.

Nobody knows Armenia's true GDP (except for the government), because only public figures are included in the calculation. Almost the entire defense industry is veiled in secrecy. And I can assure you that it is very large and productive.
 
omg i think armenia economy is 5 trillion but its secret , they have 50,000 jets but its secret , everything is secret
 
all of the states that you mentioned (neighbors) , once won their independence against Turkiye. there is blood behind. and we all are not western country. we all can't forget about it..

it is normal not to be close friends.
 
all of the states that you mentioned (neighbors) , once won their independence against Turkiye. there is blood behind. and we all are not western country. we all can't forget about it..

Turkey is not a Western nation? Which planet are you from?
 
Turkey is not a Western nation? Which planet are you from?

please read carefully ; i wrote : " we ALL are not western " ..

if may i explain myself some of us (Türkiye,balkania neighbors,coucas neighbore are western-centric but middle east neighbores NOT.
 
please read carefully ; i wrote : " we ALL are not western " ..

if may i explain myself some of us (Türkiye,balkania neighbors,coucas neighbore are western-centric but middle east neighbores NOT.

Still don't understand your point,.

Armenia is not Western.
 
Syria and Turkey's Phantom War

By Pepe Escobar

June 26, 2012 "Information Clearing House" -- Once upon a time, not too long ago, Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoglu was the prime proponent of a foreign policy dubbed "zero problems with our neighbors" - derided by many in the West as "new-Ottomanism".

The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) meets this Tuesday in Brussels not only to craft its response to a Turkish F-4 Phantom jet shot being down by Syria's anti-aircraft artillery but to seal what sort of "new Ottomanism" is emerging from what actually turned into a "big problem with one of our neighbors" policy.

Davutoglu insists the F-4 was shot in international air space - although conceding it had briefly entered Syrian air space. Contradicting Syria's official explanation, he said the jet was clearly marked as Turkish; was on a "training flight" to test Turkey's "national radar system"; and most of all had "no covert mission related to Syria".

Previously, Syrian Foreign Ministry spokesman Jihad Makdissi had stressed this was an "accident, not an attack". According to Makdissi, "an unidentified object entered our air space and unfortunately as a result it was brought down. It was understood only later that it was a Turkish plane."

Davutoglu, in a Turkish media blitzkrieg, as reported by Today's Zaman, reiterated this was a "solo flight"; the jet was "unarmed"; there was no warning before it was shot down; and as for Syria trying to connect the "not ill-intentioned violation" of its airspace to the shooting of the F-4, that was "irrelevant".

Violation of another country's air space, trying to avoid its defenses by flying at low altitude, is as normal to Davutoglu as a sheesh kebab for lunch; "There were many violations of Syrian air space by other countries before. But Syria shot down our unarmed plane."

But then the foreign minister started deviating (or not) from the script. He stressed, "No matter how the downed Turkish jet saga unfolds, we will always stand by [the] Syrian people". And this; "We will always stand by Syrian people until the advent of a democratic regime there." Forget about the F-4 Phantom; the "Syrian people" may sleep soundly because the heart of the matter remains regime change.

Everything else is irrelevant

NATO will consider Turkey's case under Article Four of its charter - which allows consultations whenever "the territorial integrity, political independence or security of any of the parties is threatened". We're not - yet - at Article Five, which is all about armed response. But we could be, depending how NATO interprets Turkey's assertion that the F-4 Phantom was "hit 13 miles off the Syrian coast, in international air space".

So according to Davutoglu's story the F-4 was briefly deviated to Syrian airspace by some irresistible force (Thor?); soon realized its mistake; left in a hurry; but then was shot down. By the way, it was not a "solo flight"; witnesses told Turkish TV they saw two low-flying fighter jets speed by in the direction of Syrian waters, but only one return.

As predictably as England being kicked out of Euro 2012, the usual European warmongering poodles of the William Hague kind have already stepped in, blaming Syria because Turkey violated Syrian airspace. Yet there's no evidence - so far - that Ankara warned the Syrian government and military they would be conducting some sort of reconnaissance very close to a by now very explosive border.

Whether the F-4 (or the pair of F-4s) was armed or not is, to quote Davutoglu, "irrelevant"; try telling the Pentagon, for instance, that an unknown, low-flying, fast-moving, unidentified object entering your air space is not a threat. If this was a military reconnaissance mission, as Davutoglu himself argues, the F-4 had to be armed.

And imagine if this was a Syrian jet flying over Turkish or Israeli territory.

Burn, Anatolia, burn

Ankara will certainly ask Damascus for a formal apology and payment of reparations. Tehran - which until virtually yesterday, that is, before the Syrian uprising, was part of an Ankara-Damascus-Tehran axis - is calling for cool heads to prevail.

As much as professional warmongers are encouraging a Gulf of Tonkin remix, that remains pure folly. Still, Asia Times Online has learned from a local source about "frantic" movement at NATO's sprawling Incirlik base in Turkey for days.

Everyone knows - but nobody talks about - NATO's command and control center in Iskenderun, in Turkey's Hatay province, near the Syrian border, set up months ago to organize, train and weaponize the motley crew known as the Free Syrian Army. Everyone knows Qatar, Saudi Arabia and the CIA are advising and weaponizing these Syrian NATOGCC "rebels" with essential Turkish help in the logistics/safe haven front.

Everyone knows Washington will settle for nothing less than regime change in Syria - to the benefit of a pliable, sub-imperial puppet (certainly not an Islamist). Everyone knows every provocation advances the not so hidden agenda of an all-out NATOGCC attack on Syria without a UN Security Council resolution, bypassing both Russia and China.

If "neo-Ottomanism" persists with its regime change obsession in Syria - to a large extent tied to the Turkish dream of finding a solution to the Kurdish "problem" - it had better start evaluating how Damascus could shower the Kurdish PKK with funds and logistics so they may unleash hell in Turkish Anatolia.

No doubt this will get much uglier. But in Wag the Dog terms - and that's what this is all about - no one knows for sure; is Turkey trying to wag the NATO dog into a war, or is it the other way around?

Pepe Escobar is the author of Globalistan: How the Globalized World is Dissolving into Liquid War (Nimble Books, 2007) and Red Zone Blues: a snapshot of Baghdad during the surge. His latest book is Obama does Globalistan (Nimble Books, 2009).

He may be reached at pepeasia@yahoo.com

This article was originally published at Asia Times

Copyright 2012 Asia Times Online (Holdings) Ltd.

****** Syria and Turkey's Phantom War***** : Information Clearing House
 
Failed state? I faintly remember Armenia whooping Azeri @ss. Pretty good for a failed state;)

Georgia's economy is worse (in terms of GDP per capita). There overall GDP is inflated because of Western support. Russia's economic aid to Armenia is minimal.

Azeri economy is nothing to brag about either. The only reason the country even exists is because of oil/gas. Not to worry though, Azer oil will run out in 20 years and, because they have not diversified, Iran and Armenia will take everything.

Nobody knows Armenia's true GDP (except for the government), because only public figures are included in the calculation. Almost the entire defense industry is veiled in secrecy. And I can assure you that it is very large and productive.

I vote for you as comedian of the year! :laugh:
 
Turkey is definitely not a Western country. We are Asian and we are proud of our Asian heritage (at least most Turks i know are).

Clearly, I am not talking about Turkish culture. I am talking about how the Turkish government is acting as a tool for the US to advance its interests in the Middle East

again read carefully please : western-centric (not western)

Still don't know what you are talking about...Armenian culture is as far as you can get from Western culture (it is very much like Persian culture except Christian and not Muslim).
 
This explains everything.

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