Turkey and Israel on the edge of opening a new era in relations

[UKBengali]

Western powers are decades ahead of China technologically(it's not even a contest),and even if that is reduced the ME will still be Euro-Western playground ,not Chinese.China was,is,will be irelevant here,just like Palestinian aspirations.The more they delay a peace process with Israel,the more land they will loose,until there is no more land and they will be the new Rohyngias.Believe your fairy tales all you want,Israel is still building colonies as we speak,China doesn't have a say not even in its own backyard yet but i know that you have some weird dreams you like to talk about over and over again

lol.

 

[flamer84]

lol.

So,out of words ofcourse.Oh,i forgot your whole ideeas on this forum are based on "China best.....Israel will die"

 

[Valkyrie]

How many more wars does Israel need to win before some of you jihadi cavemen will understand that Israel is there to stay?
They fought for it and won it with their blood right after the holocaust, their state is as legitimate as can be.

Go try to fix some problems which you might be able to fix, the muslim world has plenty of bigger issues.

Repeating a lie enough often makes it sound like the truth, so i can't really blame you Zionist apologists for proceeding with this strategy. Here's a little problem though, in this age of easy access to information, with global events under the microscope of media and human-rights organizations, it has become really hard to veil Israeli terrorism and even harder justifying it. World has been watching Israel for more than 60 years now, we know how it was born and raised.

We know the founding fathers of Israel were terrorists who used bombings and murdering Palestinians to scare them away from their land thereby acquiring the land for Israel.

We know Israel has been meddling in the internal affairs of neighbors ever since. Israel has orchestrated coups, sabotaged governments, and killed high profile persons like scientists/ engineers across middle east.

We know Israel was the first state to initiate nuclear weapons program in middle east and is the only country possessing nuclear weapons without any substantial reason.

We know Israel has been encroaching Palestinian land ever since it came into being. It has driven locals out of their homes, demolished them, abducted and killed Palestinians with impunity. This lends legitimacy to the claim that most of the land mass Israel currently has is illegally occupied which makes the state of Israel itself illegal.

We know that Israel implements a state policy of discrimination based on religion and race. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs (the real owner of these lands) living in Israel are regarded by Israeli constitution as second grade citizens. While Jews of Israel enjoy full rights, Muslim Arabs are looked down upon, and don't have half as many rights as the Jews.

And do i need to mention what barbarity Israel is committing in Gaza?

So NO, as hard as you try to sell your narrative of Israel being holy, justified or somehow morally superior for doing what it does, people who are informed aren't going to buy it. A state whose foundations were laid on the dead bodies of humans and their occupied land has no moral justification to exist.

Israel was and is a terrorist state. Short and simple.

 

[Abii]

Good for Turkey. Sacrificing friendship with Israel for retarded 1st century cavemen Middle Eastern Muslim countries is nonsensical.

 

[Azizam]

Western powers are decades ahead of China technologically(it's not even a contest),and even if that is reduced the ME will still be Euro-Western playground ,not Chinese.China was,is,will be irelevant here,just like Palestinian aspirations.The more they delay a peace process with Israel,the more land they will loose,until there is no more land and they will be the new Rohyngias.Believe your fairy tales all you want,Israel is still building colonies as we speak,China doesn't have a say not even in its own backyard yet but i know that you have some weird dreams you like to talk about over and over again.

Anyway,if push comes to shove,faced with the possibility of being pushed into the sea,the Jews will simply nuke the ME,and maybe others to.Kaput.Matzel Tov.

China is the 2nd largest trading partner for Israel.

 

[NL_Turk]

Repeating a lie enough often makes it sound like the truth, so i can't really blame you Zionist apologists for proceeding with this strategy. Here's a little problem though, in this age of easy access to information, with global events under the microscope of media and human-rights organizations, it has become really hard to veil Israeli terrorism and even harder justifying it. World has been watching Israel for more than 60 years now, we know how it was born and raised.

We know the founding fathers of Israel were terrorists who used bombings and murdering Palestinians to scare them away from their land thereby acquiring the land for Israel.

We know Israel has been meddling in the internal affairs of neighbors ever since. Israel has orchestrated coups, sabotaged governments, and killed high profile persons like scientists/ engineers across middle east.

We know Israel was the first state to initiate nuclear weapons program in middle east and is the only country possessing nuclear weapons without any substantial reason.

We know Israel has been encroaching Palestinian land ever since it came into being. It has driven locals out of their homes, demolished them, abducted and killed Palestinians with impunity. This lends legitimacy to the claim that most of the land mass Israel currently has is illegally occupied which makes the state of Israel itself illegal.

We know that Israel implements a state policy of discrimination based on religion and race. Hundreds of thousands of Palestinian Arabs (the real owner of these lands) living in Israel are regarded by Israeli constitution as second grade citizens. While Jews of Israel enjoy full rights, Muslim Arabs are looked down upon, and don't have half as many rights as the Jews.

And do i need to mention what barbarity Israel is committing in Gaza?

So NO, as hard as you try to sell your narrative of Israel being holy, justified or somehow morally superior for doing what it does, people who are informed aren't going to buy it. A state whose foundations were laid on the dead bodies of humans and their occupied land has no moral justification to exist.

Israel was and is a terrorist state. Short and simple.

- Every country in that region has done or still is doing all of the bad things and atrocities that you are mentioning, not just Israel. And everyone does it for a reason, not for enjoyment.

- How many countries can you name that weren't created or saved by spilling blood? This is how nations are born, so why single out Israel as if they are any different?

- Apartheid? How come arabs have their own political parties in Israel? Can you imagine a Jewish party in a muslim country? Not to mention the muslims serving in IDF, the Circassians for example.

- Surrounded by barbarians, it would be stupid not to have a nuclear weapons program. And you seriously think they have no substantial reason to have nukes after all the wars with pan-arabists in the past? You must be a comedian.

- If palestinians really want to improve lives, they could start by not firing rockets at civilian targets and then cry when they get hit back.

- The palestinians in my opinion lost their right to the land the moment they stabbed the Ottomans in the back in cooperation with the British.

People like you hold Israel to different standards because you hate Jews. If they were muslim and the same situation would exist, no one would have given 2 shits about the conflict. But they are Jews, so they must be monstrous terrorists.

 

[flamer84]

China is the 2nd largest trading partner for Israel.

And they will continue to do business as they don't care about Palestine.

 

[Azizam]

And they will continue to do business as they don't care about Palestine.

Do you think Chinese are stupid to give up Israel (only developed country in the middle east with more products and technology to offer than the entire so-called islamic world combined) in the favour of muslims?

Sometimes I don't understand what many in PDF think. They seem to be disconnected from reality. China just like any other country looks after its interests. Israel also engaged in technology transfer to China at the cost of US relations so Israel will be an important country for China.

Report:US Furious Over Equipment Transfer to China - Defense/Security - News - Arutz Sheva

 

[UKBengali]

Do you think Chinese are stupid to give up Israel (only developed country in the middle east with more products and technology to offer than the entire so-called islamic world combined) in the favour of muslims?

Sometimes I don't understand what many in PDF think. They seem to be disconnected from reality. China just like any other country looks after its interests. Israel also engaged in technology transfer to China at the cost of US relations so Israel will be an important country for China.

Report:US Furious Over Equipment Transfer to China - Defense/Security - News - Arutz Sheva

China will neither support the Jews or Arabs - that is the important thing here.
If the Arabs get themselves together and can eliminate the Jewish entity then they are free to do so without Chinese interference.

In 10-15 years, China will be a recognised superpower on the level of US. Now since China still would have some catch-up to do by then., the Chinese will eventually get a fair bit more powerful than the US. Combine this with home-turf advantage and we see who will have the most influence in ME, which the Chinese will naturally see as their sphere of influence.

About the tech transfer thing? Lol. In a decade or two the Jews will no longer have anything worthwhile the Chinese will need.

Despite what our Romanian friend would like, EU will not consolidate to become a superpower and so will never become important in ME affairs.

I cannot see the Arabs sorting themselves out to deal with the Jews for many, many decades but when they do then they have a shot at getting rid of this Jewish implant once and for all.

 

[Azizam]

China will neither support the Jews or Arabs - that is the important thing here.
If the Arabs get themselves together and can eliminate the Jewish entity then they are free to do so without Chinese interference.

In 10-15 years, China will be a recognised superpower on the level of US. Now since China still would have some catch-up to do by then., the Chinese will eventually get a fair bit more powerful than the US. Combine this with home-turf advantage and we see who will have the most influence in ME, which the Chinese will naturally see as their sphere of influence.

About the tech transfer thing? Lol. In a decade or two the Jews will no longer have anything worthwhile the Chinese will need.

Despite what our Romanian friend would like, EU will not consolidate to become a superpower and so will never become important in ME affairs.

I cannot see the Arabs sorting themselves out to deal with the Jews for many, many decades but if they do then they have a shot at getting rid of this Jewish implant once and for all.

Again they can't. The whole problem with Arabs is that they are too religious to be rational same as you. This silly hatred for Israel come from being too relugious irrationally. As Flame said Israel is light years ahead of other middle eastern countries in science and technology for a reason. Israelis are the most forward thinking, secular and pragmatic people in the middle east. Do you find it surprising why they are the sole developed country in the middle east? And from your post, all I see is blind hatred and you have no idea how technologically advanced Israel is. If anything, there's so much to learn from countries like Israel and Singapore whose people built first world countries literally out of nothing despite all the challenges they faced.

We are not in the medieval age anymore. Arabs are even more divided today than they were before 1980. New wave of religion will mean they will be even weaker and more divided than ever.

China will certainly be a world power and that doesn't mean western power will decline. China's rise doesn't mean decline of west. World will be bipolar in the future.

 

[UKBengali]

Again they can't. The whole problem with Arabs is that they are too religious to be rational same as you. This silly hatred for Israel come from being too relugious irrationally. As Flame said Israel is light years ahead of other middle eastern countries in science and technology for a reason. Israelis are the most forward thinking, secular and pragmatic people in the middle east. Do you find it surprising why they are the sole developed country in the middle east? And from your post, all I see is blind hatred and you have no idea how technologically advanced Israel is. If anything, there's so much to learn from countries like Israel and Singapore whose people built first world countries literally out of nothing despite all the challenges they faced.

We are not in the medieval age anymore. Arabs are even more divided today than they were before 1980. New wave of religion will mean they will be even weaker and more divided than ever.

China will certainly be a world power and that doesn't mean western power will decline. China's rise doesn't mean decline of west. World will be bipolar in the future.

Two things dude:

Of course when China becomes a superpower US power will decline. Power is a zero-sum came.
If you do not understand this point then please read a book on basic geopolitics.

Two - Jews do not deserve a state in ME as it is Palestinian land. If the West feels guilty about Holocaust
then let them give the Jews some land in their own countries.

Anyway I have made my point and out of this thread.

 

[xenon54 out]

Thats the right step, no matter what conservatives say even their party AKP accepted this simple fact, Israel and Turkey had a lot cooperation in Military and Intelligence fields, Israel-American intelligence help made it possible for us to get apo out of Africa why did we sacrifice this in the first place and what did we get in return?

 

[hussain0216]

No muslim worthy of the name would support israel

With the muslim population set to grow fast over the coming decades ground realities change quickly

The jews do not have the numbers to play the long game we should heap pressure on these people to stop the oppression of the Palestinians

 

[NL_Turk]

No muslim worthy of the name would support israel

With the muslim population set to grow fast over the coming decades ground realities change quickly

The jews do not have the numbers to play the long game we should heap pressure on these people to stop the oppression of the Palestinians

So 20% of the Israeli population who are muslim and have a better life than in any arab country are not worthy of calling them selves muslim?

Jews never ever had the numbers throughout history and yet everytime they came out on top. Instead of hating them it would be smarter to emulate them.

Even if the muslim poulation would reach 10 billion, if the majority are going to be people like you, it wouldn't amount to any kind of qualitative superiority.

And the only common thing muslims have is their religion. The difference in development and civilisation is humongous between Arabs, Turks, Persians and south Asians.

 

[hussain0216]

So 20% of the Israeli population who are muslim and have a better life than in any arab country are not worthy of calling them selves muslim?

Jews never ever had the numbers throughout history and yet everytime they came out on top. Instead of hating them it would be smarter to emulate them.

Even if the muslim poulation would reach 10 billion, if the majority are going to be people like you, it wouldn't amount to any kind of qualitative superiority.

And the only common thing muslims have is their religion. The difference in development and civilisation is humongous between Arabs, Turks, Persians and south Asians.

On the contrary jews have been abused and slaughtered enmass throughout history

They have had pogroms instigated against them from Russia to England culminating in the Holocaust

There is no smoke without fire and the jews have attempted to undermine societies for centuries for their own gain, when those societies found out the jews got it in the neck and then some


Today they are doing the same thing against muslims and creating a tidal wave of hatred for the jew


Those 20% of israel which is muslim is there 5th column our whole effort should be centered on making that 20% into beyond 30%

Already if you take gaza, israel and the west bank The muslims are now the majority or close to it, not counting refugees



The jews have committed a crime against a muslim population it is a obligation upon all muslins to fight and support the emancipation of the Palestinians and to end israeli apartheid rule