Turkey and Hungary should be suspended from NATO

[nahtanbob]

Turkiye is a valuable asset for NATO.
Turkiye assumed the responsibility to protect southeastern border of NATO during Cold War period against USSR

since cold war period Turkiye has huge Army


as of 2023
-- Turkish Army has more Howitzers than German+French+British+Italian Armies combined

-- Turkish Army has more MLRS than German+French+British+Italian Armies combined

-- Turkish Army has more Ballistic Missiles than German+French+British+Italian Armies combined

-- Turkish Army has KARA-ATMACA ground based Cruise Missile
also CAKIR and KUZGUN-TJ ground based Cruise Missiles on the way
( only Turkiye in Europe )

-- Turkish Kamikaze Drones
60 km ALPAGUT , 200 km SIMSEK and 800 km KARGI
( Only Turkiye in Europe ... anti-radiation Drone )

-- Turkish Army has more UCAVs than all Europe combined

-- Turkish Army has the 5th gen Anti-Tank Missiles OMTAS and KARAOK
( Only Turkiye and France in Europe )

-- Turkish Army has the 2nd biggest Attack Helicopter fleet in NATO after USA
( also T-929 heavy Attack Helicopter maiden flight by 2023 ... only USA,Russia,Turkiye in the World )

-- Turkish Army has KORAL and REDET-II Radar Electronic Warfare Systems
( only Turkiye in Europe )

-- Turkish Army has most modern mobile Air Defense Systems
( KORKUT , SUNGUR , SAHIN , HISAR-A and HISAR-O )

-- Also Turkish Army has the 2nd biggest man power in NATO after USA
( combat experienced , well equipped Soldiers )


and Foinikas , Hack-Hook compare tiny-weak Swedish - Finish Armies with Turkish Army which has the 2nd biggest fire power in NATO after USA
.. what a joke

Army to fight whom I may add ?

 

[Hack-Hook]

Turkiye is a valuable asset for NATO.
Turkiye assumed the responsibility to protect southeastern border of NATO during Cold War period against USSR

since cold war period Turkiye has huge Army


as of 2023
-- Turkish Army has more Howitzers than German+French+British+Italian Armies combined

-- Turkish Army has more MLRS than German+French+British+Italian Armies combined

-- Turkish Army has more Ballistic Missiles than German+French+British+Italian Armies combined

-- Turkish Army has KARA-ATMACA ground based Cruise Missile
also CAKIR and KUZGUN-TJ ground based Cruise Missiles on the way
( only Turkiye in Europe )

-- Turkish Kamikaze Drones
60 km ALPAGUT , 200 km SIMSEK and 800 km KARGI
( Only Turkiye in Europe ... anti-radiation Drone )

-- Turkish Army has more UCAVs than all Europe combined

-- Turkish Army has the 5th gen Anti-Tank Missiles OMTAS and KARAOK
( Only Turkiye and France in Europe )

-- Turkish Army has the 2nd biggest Attack Helicopter fleet in NATO after USA
( also T-929 heavy Attack Helicopter maiden flight by 2023 ... only USA,Russia,Turkiye in the World )

-- Turkish Army has KORAL and REDET-II Radar Electronic Warfare Systems
( only Turkiye in Europe )

-- Turkish Army has most modern mobile Air Defense Systems
( KORKUT , SUNGUR , SAHIN , HISAR-A and HISAR-O )

-- Also Turkish Army has the 2nd biggest man power in NATO after USA
( combat experienced , well equipped Soldiers )


and Foinikas , Hack-Hook compare tiny-weak Swedish - Finish Armies with Turkish Army which has the 2nd biggest fire power in NATO after USA
.. what a joke

I only can say it won't rain on Black Cat words

 

[retaxis]

MMME wants everyone to treat Turkey as superpower

Meanwhile everyone treats Turkey in same conversation as Hungary/Morocco/Findland. No wonder his blood pressure is about to pop off the charts.

 

[MMM-E]

if you consider Talebani as pkk leader .he was the only kurd leader who was friendly with Iran.

not Talebani
but top PKK leaders MURAT KARAYILAN , CEMIL BAYIK , DURAN KALKAN which control by Iran against Turkiye

Iran support PKK terrorism against Turkiye since 1990s

yeah turkiye Strunk
the only troll is you that suggested your block 30 F-16 and F-4s are stronger than Sweden Jas-39

pathetic troll

35 F-16 block30s modernize by Turkiye to block70 standard

Turkish Air Force has also 163 CCIP modernized F-16s ( $3,9 billion )
and 29 F-16 block50+ entered service in 2011-2012

192 F-16s can rape 71 JAS-39


Also 4 months ago you called KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet as plastic mock up

see troll see .... backward countries only can dream about it


to carry MURAD AESA Radar and 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missiles for BVR combat

 

[Hack-Hook]

not Talebani
but top PKK leaders MURAT KARAYILAN , CEMIL BAYIK , DURAN KALKAN which control by Iran against Turkiye

Iran support PKK terrorism against Turkiye since 1990s

sure , if you say so

not Talebani
but top PKK leaders MURAT KARAYILAN , CEMIL BAYIK , DURAN KALKAN which control by Iran against Turkiye

Iran support PKK terrorism against Turkiye since 1990s




pathetic troll

35 F-16 block30s modernize by Turkiye to block70 standard

Turkish Air Force has also 163 CCIP modernized F-16s ( $3,9 billion )
and 29 F-16 block50+ entered service in 2011-2012

192 F-16s can rape 71 JAS-39


Also 4 months ago you called KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet as plastic mock up

see troll see .... backward countries only can dream about it


to carry MURAD AESA Radar and 100+ km GOKDOGAN air to air missiles for BVR combat

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first get your fact right you can only build one of those and now the engine won't come anymore . have fun with that and i call it a mockup not a plastic mock up , i called your 5th generation aircraft a plastic mockup.
and its interesting you count your trainer f-16 but don't count trainer JAS-39 or any of JAS-39e and for the record before those f-16 can detect JAS-39 they will be picked one by one by Meteor

 

[MMM-E]

and wonder what you knew about Finland artillery
just say , its designed to withstand USSR attack and thats enough to describe it

Still dreaming about weak-tiny Finnish Army

I show you the reality .... lets go troll team


ARTILLERY .. Howitzers - MLRS

FINLAND

-- 56 K-98 155mm Howitzers
-- 74 PSH-74 122 mm Howitzers
-- 48 K-9 155 mm Howitzers

-- 35 RAKH-89 MLRS 122 mm
-- 29 M270 MLRS

ignorant Hack-Hook see weak Finnish Artillery



TURKIYE

-- 363 M52T 155 mm Howitzers
-- 219 M110 209 mm Howitzers
-- 300 T-155 155 mm Howitzers
-- 400 PANTHER 155 mm Howitzers

-- 160+ T-122 , TRG/TRLG-122 MLRS 122 mm
-- 244+ T300 , TRG-300 MLRS 300 mm
-- 12 M-270 MLRS
-- Also TRLG-230 laser guided MLRS 230 mm .. and TRG-230 GPS/INS guided MLRS

-- 165 km ATACMS Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 150 km J600T Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 280 km BORA Tactical Ballistic Missile
-- 1.000 km TAYFUN Ballistic Missile

-- 280 km KARA-ATMACA ground based Cruise Missile


Turkish Army has the 2nd strongest fire power in NATO after USA

Finland-Sweden only can dream about it

even I am not talking about upcoming Turkish missiles

-- 40 km KUZGUN-KY Missile with IIR seeker
-- 150 km CAKIR ground based Cruise Missile with IIR-RF seeker
-- 180 km KUZGUN-TJ ground based Cruise Missile with IIR-RF seeker
-- GEZGIN ground based long range strategic Cruise Missile
-- CENK Ballistic Missile


ignorant Hack-Hook compare weak Finnish Artillery with the Turkish Army

even 300+ Turkish UCAVs enough to destroy an Army
to fire 70-150 km TRLG-230 laser guided supersonic Missile
and All enemy artillery systems will be turned into crap of metal

 

[Foinikas]

Army to fight whom I may add ?

Nobody! In fact,to fight NATO ally Greece,EU member Cyprus and invade Syria.

They don't plan on taking action against Russia.

 

[MMM-E]

first get your fact right you can only build one of those and now the engine won't come anymore . have fun with that and i call it a mockup not a plastic mock up , i called your 5th generation aircraft a plastic mockup.

BAYKAR and TAI says Engine supply continues from Ukraine
also TEI TF-6.000 turbofan Engine first ignition by 2023
We have our own agenda step by step

You called KIZILELMA as fake plastic mockup with small turbojet Engine

now 2 KIZILELMA and development phase continues to carry AESA Radar and weapons

TFX first prototype to make first flight in 2023 ...

and its interesting you count your trainer f-16 but don't count trainer JAS-39 or any of JAS-39e and for the record before those f-16 can detect JAS-39 they will be picked one by one by Meteor

192 Turkish F-16s have network centric warfare capability to use Boeing E-7T AEWC to detect JAS-39E from long distance

Send JAS-39E to enter Turkish Airspace ... and see what will happen

192 S400 Air Defense Missiles ( 250-380 km ) to turn all JAS-39E into crap of metal
also 100-150 km Turkish SIPER block1/2 Air Defense Systems

40 new F-16 block70 with 900 air to air missiles on order
including 160 km AIM-120D

also negotiations are ongoing for 24-48 Eurofighters with the UK


We dont care about weak countries like Sweden which can onlly dream about it
We have our own agenda to become real global aviation power in the next 5 years

-- TB-2 Tactical UCAV in service
-- ANKA and AKSUNGUR MALE UCAVs in service
-- AKINCI strategic UCAV in service
-- T-129 Attack Helicopter in service
-- HURKUS trainer Aircraft in service
-- T-625 Utility Helicopter first delivery in 2023
-- KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jet ... first flight in 2022
-- TISU ( ANKA-3 ) unmanned stealth Bomber ... first flight in 2023
-- HURJET next gen light attack Fighter Jet ... first flight in 2023
-- TFX 5th gen Fighter Jet ... first flight in 2023
-- T-929 heavy Attack Helicopter .... first flight in 2023
-- T-925 Utility Helicopter

also turboshaft and turbofan Engines

Backward Countries only can dream about it

 

[Foinikas]

 

[MMM-E]

Army to fight whom I may add ?

Potential areas of conflict

Greece-France in the Eastern Mediterranean
Russia-Iran-ASSAD Regime in Idlib/Syria
USA-France backed PKK/YPG in Syria
To protect Azerbaijan against Armenia - Iran
To protect Libyan Government from HAFTAR , WAGNER , Egypt

 

[Foinikas]

Potential areas of conflict

Greece-France in the Eastern Mediterranean
Russia-Iran-ASSAD Regime in Idlib/Syria
USA-France backed PKK/YPG in Syria
To protect Azerbaijan against Armenia - Iran
To protect Libyan Government from HAFTAR , WAGNER , Egypt

So basically you ain't gonna fight for NATO against Russia. Only if you try to push deep in Syria you might encounter some Russian units,that you will probably find a peaceful solution with.

 

[MMM-E]

So basically you ain't gonna fight for NATO against Russia. Only if you try to push deep in Syria you might encounter some Russian units,that you will probably find a peaceful solution with.

Nobody fight against Russia for Ukraine
if Russia attack on a NATO Member then Turkiye compulsorily will be in NATO side against Russia

and Russia is not stupid to attack on a NATO Member

 

[Foinikas]

Nobody fight against Russia for Ukraine
if Russia attack on a NATO Member then Turkiye compulsorily will be in NATO side against Russia

I seriously doubt you will.

 

[Hack-Hook]

TFX first prototype to make first flight in 2023 ...

that proto type is the size of a radio controlled toy

 

[Hack-Hook]

ARTILLERY .. Howitzers - MLRS

FINLAND

-- 56 K-98 155mm Howitzers
-- 74 PSH-74 122 mm Howitzers
-- 48 K-9 155 mm Howitzers

-- 35 RAKH-89 MLRS 122 mm
-- 29 M270 MLRS

ignorant Hack-Hook see weak Finnish Artillery

https://www.hitc.com/en-gb/2022/05/13/finland-has-53rd-strongest-military-but-artillery-capability-sets-them-apart/

The cornerstone of Finland’s military capability rests on its extremely powerful artillery and heavy mortar units.

Finland has the consensus biggest artillery force in Europe with a whopping 1,500 pieces reported to be in operation in 2022, including 700 Howitzers, 700 heavy mortars and 100 multiple rocket launcher systems.

Towed field guns and howitzers[edit]​

Model	Origin	Type	Quantity	Image	Details
155 K 83	Finland	Gun-howitzer	113[2][26]		Provides indirect fire support for various units and is used to form heavy artillery battalions under direct supreme HQ command. 155 K 83-97 is an upgrade of the existing 155 K 83.
155 K 98	Finland	Gun-howitzer	56[2]		Supports readiness brigades with indirect fire. Equipped with an auxiliary power unit for short distance movement adjustments. 155 K 98 is based on the earlier 155 K 83 with some major enhancements to both the breech and the barrel.
122 H 63	Soviet Union	Howitzer	474[2]		The main artillery support of Jaeger and infantry brigades as well as battlegroups.
152 K 89	Soviet Union	Field gun	24[2]		Provides indirect fire support for Jaeger and infantry brigades as well as battlegroups.

Self-propelled artillery[edit]​

Model	Origin	Type	Quantity	Image	Details
KRHPSAJON XA-361-AMOS	Finland Sweden	Self-propelled gun-mortar	18[2]		120mm twin-barrel Patria AMOS mortar on a Patria AMV platform.
122 PSH 74	Soviet Union	Self-propelled howitzer	74[2]		Supports mechanized and motorized battlegroups with indirect fire.
155 PSH K9 (or 155 PSH 17)[27]	South Korea	Self-propelled howitzer	33[2] (96)[28]		Supports mechanized and motorized battlegroups with indirect fire. 48 used howitzers will be delivered from South Korea between 2017 and 2024, with an option for 48 more; 10 additional units were ordered in a follow-up order and the 38 more in another.[28]

Multiple rocket launcher systems[edit]​

Model	Origin	Type	Quantity	Image	Details
122 RAKH 89 M1	Czechoslovakia	Multiple rocket launcher	35[2]		Czechoslovak 122 mm self-propelled multiple rocket launcher, originally 36 units bought from East German stocks. Used to support mechanised and motorised units. In December 2022 Finland ordered long-range 122mm rockets from Israel for 70 MEUR.[29]
298 RSRAKH 06	United States	Multiple rocket launcher Driver training vehicle	29 12[2][30]		M270D1 vehicles used for long-range strikes against enemy reserves, command posts, and combat support organizations up to operational depth at the point of main effort. 22 M270s were obtained from the Netherlands in 2007, an additional 12 from Denmark in 2014 and 6 from the US in 2014.[31] M28 training rockets AT2 anti-tank mine disperser rockets M30A1 GMLRS-AW (150 pieces bought in 2016).[32] M31A1 GMLRS-U (90 pieces bought in 2016) M30A2 ER-GMLRS-AW and M31A2 ER-GMLRS-U ordered in February 2022 for 70 MEUR. The extended range rockets (ER) have a range of over 150 km.[33]

now the ignorant call others ignorant

BAYKAR and TAI says Engine supply continues from Ukraine

yeah sure , just the factory that produced them get destroyed