Only naive people believe Israel boarded the ship with paintball guns only -
Correction: The soldiers were
holding the paintball guns. They were
carrying their lethal weapons. But they did not use it, even while being attacked, until they got permission over the radio.
they fired live ammunition with guns and from the air. The bodies of the victims prove this.
The story that the IDF fired the guns from the air was
a sworn lie.
No nation would interfere in another entities port. Show me a nation that enforces a blockade on another nation/entity.
Sure. There's the restrictions Iranian and North Korean trade. This boarding stuff is normal, in accord with recognized procedures. Turks train to do this with American sailors all the time (check out the U.S. Navy picture thread.)
What claims are you talking about? Cite examples for us, instead of making further allegations on your part.
Now apply the same doubting spirit to claims of Israeli misbehavior: what are the specifics? If your interlocutor can't provide them, he's intent on spreading vicious propaganda, not standing for justice.
Where do I spread 'lies' against 'Jews or Israel'? Could you prove to the audience that I'm doing so we can believe you?
We went through an exercise in the "Members Club" section where members agreed that Muslims here can never admit that what a Zionist says is true, no matter what. That doesn't mean the audience here doesn't believe me; it means they won't
admit to believing me.
You yourself in the previous post just acknowledged that Israel does commit injustice although on a lesser scale than 'Arabs'. So don't blame me for that.
Thing is, it's tiny compared to what Arabs do to each other, and Israeli deeds are addressed in Israeli courts - even the Arabs in the West Bank have the right to appeal to Israel's Supreme Court. It's a level of justice not only far higher than that of any Arab or Muslim country, but higher than any of them
aspire to.
We all aware of the miserable atrocities committed by Western installed Arab dictators against the Arab peoples. This doesn't justify Israeli injustice.
You only invoke the "Western installed Arab dictators" trope to stir up Israel-hatred.
I could say that certain Israelis consider the Netanyahu government oppressive since he doesn't increase more illegal settlement projects.
As I've pointed out, the West Bank falls under Mandate Law, which encourages the "close settlement" of the area by Jews, provided that the civil and property rights of the inhabitants are respected. This the Jews have done; however, the Arabs were called upon to do the same thing for the Jews in this regard and they instead violated the Mandate with impunity: while Israel remains 20% Arab and the Arabs of the West Bank and Gaza remain, there are no more Jews left in surrounding Arab countries. So if there is an "injustice" here, the Jews have a far greater claim for redress than the Arabs do.
That's nonsense, very few collaborators have been tried and executed for harming national Palestinian security.
There is no "national Palestinian security." What there is is terror; you don't need me to post the pictures of bodies dragged through the streets on motorcycles, do you?
- like the Australian one Israel tortured to death in an Israeli jail. They then made it appear as if it was a suicide.
Very difficult dealing with the mix of truth and lies. Bottom line is this: for Jews, history is a collection of facts taking place in the context of the period. For Arabs, history is something written to fit the needs of today's needs; the context is altered and
if true facts aren't available, phony ones are cooked up. And this is the trap the Turks are falling into, the one that allows Erdogan to label people who disagree with him enemies and suppress their words and imprison or kill their bodies. Many Turks may hate Erdogan, but their blind nationalism is so strong that they won't oppose him to claim that what the Israelis did - killing the Turks who were knifing and beating them - was just and proper.
Hypothetically speaking of course.
