TTP is not our concern, but Pakistan’s: Afghan Taliban

[Titanium100]

I don't doubt for a second that of all the forces in Afghanistan, perhaps only the Taliban are Pakistan's natural allies to some extent. And there's no doubt that they want good relations with us, and value our foresight in recent history and our tacit support.

However, one must weigh this issue from the IEA's perspective. The Taliban are not an entity like our army, uniform and disciplined, all answerable in totality to their chief and commanders. It's a much less cohesive entity made up of various tribes, groups, networks.

They have just taken Kabul and busying themselves with getting global recognition, keeping the state running, all while managing internal enemies. The US is no longer seen as their main enemy. The main enemy is IS-K. They are like the Taliban, but more radical. If the Taliban cannot keep internal unity, or if they disillusion groups from within their ranks, groups like the TTP, as well as other militants. They are understandably fearful that these groups will defect to join their no. 1 enemy. The Kabul attack is just a sign of the changing times, before Taliban were insurgents and the US + allies were governing, now the Taliban are governing and IS-K are the insurgents. Luckily for the Taliban, everyone hates IS-K, including US + allies, former Afghan regime, Iran, Pakistan, and other regional powers.

IMO there is a strong possibility that the IEA will not crack down on TTP out of fear of TTP types joining IS-K and causing the IEA more trouble. TTP elements have also signalled this to the IEA, some groups of theirs have joined IS-K, others have signalled that they may defect from IEA allegiance to IS-K if pushed. I'm not sure how worrisome or credible this is from the IEA perspective, but it's important to note. IEA will therefore will try to manage their internal affairs by balancing how they present themselves internally and externally. They have to convince their own men that they are still the old Taliban and therefore everyone should support them, while simultaneously telling the world that they're looking to co-operate.

Mullah Baradar met with the CIA director in Kabul a few days ago, what they discussed was the presence of, and threat posed by, a common enemy. The CIA shared intel of an imminent IS-K attack and offered assistance. The Taliban however cannot afford to be seen as selling out to the former occupiers for fear of dissention from their own ranks, and for fear of emboldening their new internal enemy.

This is also why they will treat TTP with kid gloves. It's why Khalil ur Rahman Haqqani when asked about the TTP basically said that Pakistan should negotiate with them, ie. don't expect us to fight them for you.

It's a tough situation, and we need not to delude ourselves with celebration about the IEA taking over. It seems everyone's safely assumed that the TTP, BLA/BLF, and all these other militants are done for. It's not as simple as this, and let me assure you, there are even more groups and individuals in Afghanistan besides the aforementioned who have been at war with the Pakistani state. Stay sharp and don't count your chickens before they hatch.

It is a bait thread my mann and you took the bait

Try to first verify your sources or whether this is the stand-point on the said individual because there is alot of manipulation such as taking someone out of context etc etc.. Don't reply to tabloid stuff first verify instead of posting a wall of text

 

[Marker]

Recommended strategic actions which should be taken by GoP and PA to eliminate this threat. (Either BLA or TTP)

1. Efficient, effective and timely gathering of HUMINT, COMMINT and 24/7 aerial surveillance in the vicinity of possible "targets", "nurturing" cells, possible "victims" and country's borders.

2. Intelligence gathered must be thoroughly and efficiently analysed, preventive actions planned and timely executed.

3. Nurturing cells must be given utmost attention. These cells exist in and around Muhalla, Mosque, Madarsa, School, College or University, sometimes work places even hospitals.

4. Mongers must be identified, isolated and their handlers must be located and arrested for further investigation.

5. Incoming finances, "provisions" and "supplies" should be monitored, timely intercepted at the destinations.

6. GoP should ensure abundant job and business opportunities, availability of basic necessities, law and order, judicial and administrative infrastructure, proper health care and education facilities.

7. Local leaders must be involved to motivate local population to work for betterment of their own area.

PS: I am sure most of the above recommendations must already been taken care of, however, IMO homegrown terrorism can be 100% eliminated by addressing the just grievances of locals.

 

[Rafi]

I hope our army and govt has the stomach for cross border raids. Its the need of the hour. Now and never. We need to burn these mfs down.

Apparently no one except you in Pakistan has sense if we go by your proclamation because if you were not under a cave, many in Pakistan are celebrating their takeover because they felt it will lead to extinction of TTP.

Why dont they care? Shouldnt they say that we will cooperate with Pakistan in eliminating any threats that they face? What is the point of so called strategic depth?

When you hear unknown gunmen taking out takfiri commanders in A-stan, what do you think is going on.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

I don't doubt for a second that of all the forces in Afghanistan, perhaps only the Taliban are Pakistan's natural allies to some extent. And there's no doubt that they want good relations with us, and value our foresight in recent history and our tacit support.

However, one must weigh this issue from the IEA's perspective. The Taliban are not an entity like our army, uniform and disciplined, all answerable in totality to their chief and commanders. It's a much less cohesive entity made up of various tribes, groups, networks.

They have just taken Kabul and busying themselves with getting global recognition, keeping the state running, all while managing internal enemies. The US is no longer seen as their main enemy. The main enemy is IS-K. They are like the Taliban, but more radical. If the Taliban cannot keep internal unity, or if they disillusion groups from within their ranks, groups like the TTP, as well as other militants. They are understandably fearful that these groups will defect to join their no. 1 enemy. The Kabul attack is just a sign of the changing times, before Taliban were insurgents and the US + allies were governing, now the Taliban are governing and IS-K are the insurgents. Luckily for the Taliban, everyone hates IS-K, including US + allies, former Afghan regime, Iran, Pakistan, and other regional powers.

IMO there is a strong possibility that the IEA will not crack down on TTP out of fear of TTP types joining IS-K and causing the IEA more trouble. TTP elements have also signalled this to the IEA, some groups of theirs have joined IS-K, others have signalled that they may defect from IEA allegiance to IS-K if pushed. I'm not sure how worrisome or credible this is from the IEA perspective, but it's important to note. IEA will therefore will try to manage their internal affairs by balancing how they present themselves internally and externally. They have to convince their own men that they are still the old Taliban and therefore everyone should support them, while simultaneously telling the world that they're looking to co-operate.

Mullah Baradar met with the CIA director in Kabul a few days ago, what they discussed was the presence of, and threat posed by, a common enemy. The CIA shared intel of an imminent IS-K attack and offered assistance. The Taliban however cannot afford to be seen as selling out to the former occupiers for fear of dissention from their own ranks, and for fear of emboldening their new internal enemy.

This is also why they will treat TTP with kid gloves. It's why Khalil ur Rahman Haqqani when asked about the TTP basically said that Pakistan should negotiate with them, ie. don't expect us to fight them for you.

It's a tough situation, and we need not to delude ourselves with celebration about the IEA taking over. It seems everyone's safely assumed that the TTP, BLA/BLF, and all these other militants are done for. It's not as simple as this, and let me assure you, there are even more groups and individuals in Afghanistan besides the aforementioned who have been at war with the Pakistani state. Stay sharp and don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Agreed. One way we can reduce the threat from Afghanistan is to seal our borders and not let anything come in or go out if our security is threatened. That way we can cause a blockade in Afghanistan and use that as leverage for our security concerns.

 

[El Sidd]

When you hear unknown gunmen taking out takfiri commanders in A-stan, what do you think is going on.

civil war.

Pakistan will never engage a Muslim country militarily.

 

[HammerHead081]

I don't doubt for a second that of all the forces in Afghanistan, perhaps only the Taliban are Pakistan's natural allies to some extent. And there's no doubt that they want good relations with us, and value our foresight in recent history and our tacit support.

However, one must weigh this issue from the IEA's perspective. The Taliban are not an entity like our army, uniform and disciplined, all answerable in totality to their chief and commanders. It's a much less cohesive entity made up of various tribes, groups, networks.

They have just taken Kabul and busying themselves with getting global recognition, keeping the state running, all while managing internal enemies. The US is no longer seen as their main enemy. The main enemy is IS-K. They are like the Taliban, but more radical. If the Taliban cannot keep internal unity, or if they disillusion groups from within their ranks, groups like the TTP, as well as other militants. They are understandably fearful that these groups will defect to join their no. 1 enemy. The Kabul attack is just a sign of the changing times, before Taliban were insurgents and the US + allies were governing, now the Taliban are governing and IS-K are the insurgents. Luckily for the Taliban, everyone hates IS-K, including US + allies, former Afghan regime, Iran, Pakistan, and other regional powers.

IMO there is a strong possibility that the IEA will not crack down on TTP out of fear of TTP types joining IS-K and causing the IEA more trouble. TTP elements have also signalled this to the IEA, some groups of theirs have joined IS-K, others have signalled that they may defect from IEA allegiance to IS-K if pushed. I'm not sure how worrisome or credible this is from the IEA perspective, but it's important to note. IEA will therefore will try to manage their internal affairs by balancing how they present themselves internally and externally. They have to convince their own men that they are still the old Taliban and therefore everyone should support them, while simultaneously telling the world that they're looking to co-operate.

Mullah Baradar met with the CIA director in Kabul a few days ago, what they discussed was the presence of, and threat posed by, a common enemy. The CIA shared intel of an imminent IS-K attack and offered assistance. The Taliban however cannot afford to be seen as selling out to the former occupiers for fear of dissention from their own ranks, and for fear of emboldening their new internal enemy.

This is also why they will treat TTP with kid gloves. It's why Khalil ur Rahman Haqqani when asked about the TTP basically said that Pakistan should negotiate with them, ie. don't expect us to fight them for you.

It's a tough situation, and we need not to delude ourselves with celebration about the IEA taking over. It seems everyone's safely assumed that the TTP, BLA/BLF, and all these other militants are done for. It's not as simple as this, and let me assure you, there are even more groups and individuals in Afghanistan besides the aforementioned who have been at war with the Pakistani state. Stay sharp and don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Thanks for this sensible post. An interesting take, and somewhat does gives a perspective on AT’s reluctance on this.

Agreed. One way we can reduce the threat from Afghanistan is to seal our borders and not let anything come in or go out if our security is threatened. That way we can cause a blockade in Afghanistan and use that as leverage for our security concerns.

sealing our borders? You expect too much of the incompetent ruling class

 

[Trango Towers]

I don't doubt for a second that of all the forces in Afghanistan, perhaps only the Taliban are Pakistan's natural allies to some extent. And there's no doubt that they want good relations with us, and value our foresight in recent history and our tacit support.

However, one must weigh this issue from the IEA's perspective. The Taliban are not an entity like our army, uniform and disciplined, all answerable in totality to their chief and commanders. It's a much less cohesive entity made up of various tribes, groups, networks.

They have just taken Kabul and busying themselves with getting global recognition, keeping the state running, all while managing internal enemies. The US is no longer seen as their main enemy. The main enemy is IS-K. They are like the Taliban, but more radical. If the Taliban cannot keep internal unity, or if they disillusion groups from within their ranks, groups like the TTP, as well as other militants. They are understandably fearful that these groups will defect to join their no. 1 enemy. The Kabul attack is just a sign of the changing times, before Taliban were insurgents and the US + allies were governing, now the Taliban are governing and IS-K are the insurgents. Luckily for the Taliban, everyone hates IS-K, including US + allies, former Afghan regime, Iran, Pakistan, and other regional powers.

IMO there is a strong possibility that the IEA will not crack down on TTP out of fear of TTP types joining IS-K and causing the IEA more trouble. TTP elements have also signalled this to the IEA, some groups of theirs have joined IS-K, others have signalled that they may defect from IEA allegiance to IS-K if pushed. I'm not sure how worrisome or credible this is from the IEA perspective, but it's important to note. IEA will therefore will try to manage their internal affairs by balancing how they present themselves internally and externally. They have to convince their own men that they are still the old Taliban and therefore everyone should support them, while simultaneously telling the world that they're looking to co-operate.

Mullah Baradar met with the CIA director in Kabul a few days ago, what they discussed was the presence of, and threat posed by, a common enemy. The CIA shared intel of an imminent IS-K attack and offered assistance. The Taliban however cannot afford to be seen as selling out to the former occupiers for fear of dissention from their own ranks, and for fear of emboldening their new internal enemy.

This is also why they will treat TTP with kid gloves. It's why Khalil ur Rahman Haqqani when asked about the TTP basically said that Pakistan should negotiate with them, ie. don't expect us to fight them for you.

It's a tough situation, and we need not to delude ourselves with celebration about the IEA taking over. It seems everyone's safely assumed that the TTP, BLA/BLF, and all these other militants are done for. It's not as simple as this, and let me assure you, there are even more groups and individuals in Afghanistan besides the aforementioned who have been at war with the Pakistani state. Stay sharp and don't count your chickens before they hatch.

TTP will not join anyone ... taliban Afghanistan asked them to join the jihad against the crusaders and they refused. Ttp is about terror and money.

 

[PAKISTANFOREVER]

Thanks for this sensible post. An interesting take, and somewhat does gives a perspective on AT’s reluctance on this.

sealing our borders? You expect too much of the incompetent ruling class

If our security is threatened, that would be an excellent option PROVIDED we have the will to do it.

 

[Leviza]

Totally out of context
Afghan talibans make this very clear they have nothing to do with ttp and Pakistan need to deal with them
In a very next sentence he iterates that Afghanistan soils not to be used against any other country

what this tell us that ttp won’t have any ground in Afghanistan at all

plus on the other side Afghan talibans need recognition and Pakistan is the door to them
They have to listen to us when we will be saying ttp organised attacks from Afghan soil and hard evidences

before Afghan gov was in bed with foreigns to create these problems for Pakistan now the situation is different

welcome to changed geopolitics my friends

 

[Leviza]

Most of the soil would not be under their control anyone can use soil of Afghanistan without their permission

Lol can you identify which area of Afghanistan is not under control as you said most of the Afghan soil not under their control?
There is one area which is not and it’s small anyways and surrounded by Afghan talibans and there is internal rift with in this small pocket as well
Learn some facts about Afghanistan and then try to give your opinion

 

[MuhammedAli]

TTP are Deobandis and Taliban are Deobandis. Thats why are less likely to take action against them unless TTP causes problems for Taliban.

 

[Patriot forever]

If you think Sheeday’s views have been endorsed, then surely everything else is hunky and dory in your lala land as well.

I don't think you using selective arguments out of context is my fault. Here read it again what he said..

'However, our stance is that the Afghan soil will not be used by anyone to destroy the peace of another country,” he maintained, adding that if the TTP considered the Taliban their leaders they would follow their orders.'

Their is effective communication between Afghan Taliban and Pakistan which is evidently clear. Alot of things are happening including TTP warning Afghan Taliban of hostile retaliation and joining hands with ISKP if they are forced.

I don't doubt for a second that of all the forces in Afghanistan, perhaps only the Taliban are Pakistan's natural allies to some extent. And there's no doubt that they want good relations with us, and value our foresight in recent history and our tacit support.

However, one must weigh this issue from the IEA's perspective. The Taliban are not an entity like our army, uniform and disciplined, all answerable in totality to their chief and commanders. It's a much less cohesive entity made up of various tribes, groups, networks.

They have just taken Kabul and busying themselves with getting global recognition, keeping the state running, all while managing internal enemies. The US is no longer seen as their main enemy. The main enemy is IS-K. They are like the Taliban, but more radical. If the Taliban cannot keep internal unity, or if they disillusion groups from within their ranks, groups like the TTP, as well as other militants. They are understandably fearful that these groups will defect to join their no. 1 enemy. The Kabul attack is just a sign of the changing times, before Taliban were insurgents and the US + allies were governing, now the Taliban are governing and IS-K are the insurgents. Luckily for the Taliban, everyone hates IS-K, including US + allies, former Afghan regime, Iran, Pakistan, and other regional powers.

IMO there is a strong possibility that the IEA will not crack down on TTP out of fear of TTP types joining IS-K and causing the IEA more trouble. TTP elements have also signalled this to the IEA, some groups of theirs have joined IS-K, others have signalled that they may defect from IEA allegiance to IS-K if pushed. I'm not sure how worrisome or credible this is from the IEA perspective, but it's important to note. IEA will therefore will try to manage their internal affairs by balancing how they present themselves internally and externally. They have to convince their own men that they are still the old Taliban and therefore everyone should support them, while simultaneously telling the world that they're looking to co-operate.

Mullah Baradar met with the CIA director in Kabul a few days ago, what they discussed was the presence of, and threat posed by, a common enemy. The CIA shared intel of an imminent IS-K attack and offered assistance. The Taliban however cannot afford to be seen as selling out to the former occupiers for fear of dissention from their own ranks, and for fear of emboldening their new internal enemy.

This is also why they will treat TTP with kid gloves. It's why Khalil ur Rahman Haqqani when asked about the TTP basically said that Pakistan should negotiate with them, ie. don't expect us to fight them for you.

It's a tough situation, and we need not to delude ourselves with celebration about the IEA taking over. It seems everyone's safely assumed that the TTP, BLA/BLF, and all these other militants are done for. It's not as simple as this, and let me assure you, there are even more groups and individuals in Afghanistan besides the aforementioned who have been at war with the Pakistani state. Stay sharp and don't count your chickens before they hatch.

On point. A great summary of limitations that IEA faces. This is what alot of folks here confuse as Taliban insincerity to want they promised and a few people using it deliberately like OP to target the sitting government or security forces ( usually the people who support PTM/PDM and the likes).

There is alot of work that needs to be done I completely agree but no harm in celebrating while keeping our eyes open and not letting our guard down. It is indeed our victory that foreign hostile backing has suffered a huge blow. I see celebration as a tool to further demotivate your enemies and their proxies alike. See how this celebration has handicapped the so called sympathisers of PTM or the missing BLA persons apologists or the psychological impact on these proxies and its backers alike.

 

[ziaulislam]

As long as they are not sheltered or hosted that's fine. Pin them against the border regions and kill each and every last one of them.
The border needs to be strengthened even more now.

We can easily bomb afghanistan now without any issues
Run drones and bomb anything that is suspected to be TTP

 

[H!TchHiker]

I don't doubt for a second that of all the forces in Afghanistan, perhaps only the Taliban are Pakistan's natural allies to some extent. And there's no doubt that they want good relations with us, and value our foresight in recent history and our tacit support.

However, one must weigh this issue from the IEA's perspective. The Taliban are not an entity like our army, uniform and disciplined, all answerable in totality to their chief and commanders. It's a much less cohesive entity made up of various tribes, groups, networks.

They have just taken Kabul and busying themselves with getting global recognition, keeping the state running, all while managing internal enemies. The US is no longer seen as their main enemy. The main enemy is IS-K. They are like the Taliban, but more radical. If the Taliban cannot keep internal unity, or if they disillusion groups from within their ranks, groups like the TTP, as well as other militants. They are understandably fearful that these groups will defect to join their no. 1 enemy. The Kabul attack is just a sign of the changing times, before Taliban were insurgents and the US + allies were governing, now the Taliban are governing and IS-K are the insurgents. Luckily for the Taliban, everyone hates IS-K, including US + allies, former Afghan regime, Iran, Pakistan, and other regional powers.

IMO there is a strong possibility that the IEA will not crack down on TTP out of fear of TTP types joining IS-K and causing the IEA more trouble. TTP elements have also signalled this to the IEA, some groups of theirs have joined IS-K, others have signalled that they may defect from IEA allegiance to IS-K if pushed. I'm not sure how worrisome or credible this is from the IEA perspective, but it's important to note. IEA will therefore will try to manage their internal affairs by balancing how they present themselves internally and externally. They have to convince their own men that they are still the old Taliban and therefore everyone should support them, while simultaneously telling the world that they're looking to co-operate.

Mullah Baradar met with the CIA director in Kabul a few days ago, what they discussed was the presence of, and threat posed by, a common enemy. The CIA shared intel of an imminent IS-K attack and offered assistance. The Taliban however cannot afford to be seen as selling out to the former occupiers for fear of dissention from their own ranks, and for fear of emboldening their new internal enemy.

This is also why they will treat TTP with kid gloves. It's why Khalil ur Rahman Haqqani when asked about the TTP basically said that Pakistan should negotiate with them, ie. don't expect us to fight them for you.

It's a tough situation, and we need not to delude ourselves with celebration about the IEA taking over. It seems everyone's safely assumed that the TTP, BLA/BLF, and all these other militants are done for. It's not as simple as this, and let me assure you, there are even more groups and individuals in Afghanistan besides the aforementioned who have been at war with the Pakistani state. Stay sharp and don't count your chickens before they hatch.

Quite a logical post ..but what options do we have if TTP continue it's terror activities and Taliban just ignored it as if nothing ...other then not to recognize them..

 

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