Trump has all but decided to withdraw from Iran nuclear deal: sources

[darksider]

European are still in the deal................ Aren't they?

Europe want business with America.they cannot let go American Market and protection against Russia.
Europe will do what America want.

 

[yavar]

 

[OldTwilight]

It's not that Persians have not be warned. How can one be so stupid and not learn from Libyan episode? Qaddafi was shaking hand with Sarkozy only to see France dropping bombs on his arse few months down the line.

As for America, can now it be safely said that there is no international commitment when it comes to its pledge on international obligations/agreements?

As for Pakistan, those who are burning midnight oil in dark offices of ISI, DO NOT get caught with your pants down this time around. This has got all ingredients of regime change in Iran just like Iraq, and the same lot in charge of American establishment. The last time it happened in our neighbour, Afghanistan, we endup losing 50000 citizens through proxy war imposed upon us through the porus border. With Iran, we got least protected border. Fence it, mine it, man it, whatever it takes, start securing it from tomorrow .

IMO Hassan Rouhani and Zarif are traitors but our people become naive and we will pay for it ...

Steps on how to be a sell out.

Step 1: US Joins the deal
Step 2: Iran pours cement into Arak
Step 3: US leaves the deal.

Let us observe the genius that is the Iranian government.

Rouhani said what will be Step 4 :


Step 1: US Joins the deal
Step 2: Iran pours cement into Arak
Step 3: US leaves the deal.
Step 4 : Rouhani will keep Iran is the deal and call it success for Iran
Step 5 : Rouhani will ask for more JCPOA like deal ...
Step 6 : Iran will fall apart due Rouhani management which was planing to destroy Iran ...

 

[Max]

yea Iranian diplomats and zariff are definitely taunting china....... . a persons personal opinion on PDF does not equal national policy. keep that in mind in please

Dude,nor i said its National policy, i said Good that they are not official of Iranian govt.

 

[AmirPatriot]

There are plenty of companies (especially Chinese and Russian companies) that are already locked out of the US economy. So it doesn't matter to them.

And technically China alone can provide everything that Iran needs, even sensitive technology. That's assuming Iran is willing to put their eggs in the Chinese basket, which they have been reluctant to do so far.

Last time Iran was under heavy sanctions, they were extremely paranoid about Chinese investment and trade, even regarding non-sensitive things like general consumer goods. Maybe this time they might see that the USA is in fact worse.

About the Chinese goods, they are notorious in Iran for being low quality. And China has been forcing Iran to buy them by only paying Iran back for its oil exports in goods instead of cash.

Regardless of that, the Iran-Iraq war ingrained a feeling in Iran that we should not rely heavily on any one side. We did that, and when the going got tough, we were alone with a military we couldn't keep running.

It doesn't help that in 2002-12 China continued to vote with the US in the UNSC on imposing very harsh sanctions against Iran. And there's the C-802 debacle as well.

Rouhani and Co should probably start preparing for an IRGC military coup.

They will likely install solemani as head of state, declare martial law, and start a purge of the ruling elite in order to bring order to this factured system.

IRGC has enough control of Iranian economy to commit a coup.

Mullahs trusted a fox to guard their hen house.

Lmao

a mutual defence treaty

We keep coming back to this maybe a "mutual defence against America" treaty . This sort of arrangement would isolate our respective countries from non-existential conflicts that China and Iran have friends on both sides. But it would be beneficial to China to safeguard OBOR from American invasion. A comparatively smaller Iran could utilise its strategic position near the straits of hormuz - while oil to China flows freely via OBOR.

The reality is that even in our current position we can handle our regional enemies alone as long as they don't have uncle sam backing them up... Big, easy to hit Saudi oil facilities come to mind. But for such a mutual relationship to be effective, Iran needs China to kick-start its economy and modernise its military, so Iran can be a powerful force in the region both against regional and extra-regional enemies.

 

[CHACHA"G"]

Europe want business with America.they cannot let go American Market and protection against Russia.
Europe will do what America want.

Then what will happen to India-Iran trade , especially chabhar port? India is not strong then Europe .

Europe want business with America.they cannot let go American Market and protection against Russia.
Europe will do what America want.

Then what will happen to India-Iran trade , especially chabhar port? India is not strong then Europe .

Europe want business with America.they cannot let go American Market and protection against Russia.
Europe will do what America want.

Then what will happen to India-Iran trade , especially chabhar port? India is not strong then Europe .

 

[SivilKurmay]

Iran must supply new generation weapons from Russia without too late.

 

[TruthHurtz]

It doesn't have to come to that. Trump has withdrawn from the JCPOA but did not rip it into little bits. If the mullahs are willing to renegotiate to Trump's satisfaction then he'll likely re-enter it.

trump even said that if he was IR gov he wouldn't renegotiate.

This is exactly why the remaining countries Russia and China are paper tigers. NATO/US will steamroll them before they even know what hit them.

You play all sides in a conflict and at the end of the day you will have ZERO ALLIES.

Wait till the West starts causing trouble for China via Hong Kong and Taiwan.

You simply are being outplayed and can’t understand that US/NATO are wrecking Russia and China from within through none military means.

Just look at Russia, 5-7 years ago Putin was an adored figure in Russia now there is major opposition within Russian political circles. They managed to place missile shield on Russia’s border and overtake a pro Russian country (Ukraine) in a blink of an eye, all without any military intervention.

Military intervention is old school, the new school of the West is to use other countries and weaken the government from within till it collapses on itself.

China just did what Russia did many years ago, which is make their president “dictator for life”. That is exactly what the West wanted. What is russia without Putin? What is China with its dictator president?

US/NATO are playing the long game, they have plenty of time.

They will circle the remaining axis powers over and over until they are too weak. And then those axis powers will have ZERO allies to rely on to help them.

Hell even right now china and russia are strategic allies! They are merely in a marriage of convience. That should tell you all you need to know.

no they won't, how delusional are you? NATO is not in position to fight anyone, ffs most RAF planes aren't even air worthy, same with the germans. The US does not have enough forces in europe or even east asia to sustain a long campaign.

 

[Rank]

Trump did what i said at the time of Obama/Iran Nuclear deal. This deal will roll back by “ANY” upcoming president in the future lol. I totally agreed with Trump about the empty threats of nuclear strikes against anyone in retaliation from the Iranian side. Trust me Iran cant do this. They do not have any capacity and power nor fully operational strategic force command. US air force can easily takeout entire military structure of Iran with in a few mins!


Iran has no defence to confront the attack of US battlespace machinery. Pakistan is and will be the ONLY Muslim country (remain Inshallah) having a credible, powerful, controlled and fully functional Strategic Force command in the world which nobody can undo. In case of aggresion, Pakistan has enough capacity, capability to wipe out any state with in the range of its WMD. Sorry bye bye Iran lol.


Iranis are stupid. Their empty threats actually become a deal breaker. They continously threatening without having a constructive dialog and approach. Think tanks sitting inthe Pentagon already realized way back that Iran doesn’t have any of such capability. The only pushing point is Russia behind this drama.


The test case no# 3 (Syria) recently, hardly Russia respond to West attack. So the message sent to Iran is very loud and clear that whenever we will going for hunting, even Russia can’t do anything. So this is the point where Trump regime openly sent shutup call to Iran.

 

[darksider]

Then what will happen to India-Iran trade , especially chabhar port? India is not strong then Europe .


Then what will happen to India-Iran trade , especially chabhar port? India is not strong then Europe .


Then what will happen to India-Iran trade , especially chabhar port? India is not strong then Europe .

I am not expert but its simple when America place sanctions on companies or countries then you cannot have business with both US and sanctioned entity same time.then if any company want business with America they have to stop business with iran.

 

[RoadRunner401]

The European Union has rebuked Donald Trump over his move to break the Iran nuclear deal, telling the US president he does not have the power to unilaterally scrap the international agreement.

In a statement delivered on Tuesday night EU foreign affairs chief Federica Mogherini said the US should reconsider its position, but that it was not within the power of the country’s president to end the accord.

Mr Trump ended the US’s commitment to the Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action negotiated between Iran, the EU, US, Russia, China, France, Britain, and Germany, which was signed by his predecessor Barack Obama in 2015.

He claims the deal is “decaying and rotten” and says it is “an embarrassment” to him “as a citizen”. In the US the deal is politically-charged because it is seen as a key legacy as Barack Obama. It is also opposed by Israel, a close US ally in the region.

Speaking in Rome the EU’s Ms Mogherini said Europe “regrets” Mr Trump’s new policy, but added: “As we have always said the nuclear deal is not a bilateral agreement and it is not in the hands of any single country to terminate it unilaterally.

“It has been unanimously endorsed by the UN security council resolution 2231, it is a key element of the global non-proliferation architecture, it is relevant in itself, but even more so in these times of encouraging symbols on the prospect of the denuclearisation of the Korean peninsula.

“The nuclear deal with Iran is crucial for the security of the region, of Europe and of the entire region. As long as Iran continues to implement its nuclear-related commitments as it is doing so far the European union will remain committed to the continued, full, and effective implementation for the nuclear deal.”

She added that the EU trusts the work of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA), which has repeatedly said Iran is sticking to its side of the bargain. She also said she was “particularly worried” about new sanctions on Iran announced by the US, stating that “the lifting of nuclear-related sanctions is an essential part of the agreement”.

“Let me conclude with a message to Iranian citizens and leaders, to each and every one of them: do not let anyone dismantle this agreement,” she said.

“It is one of the biggest achievements that diplomacy has ever delivered and we have built this together. It is the demonstration that win-win solutions are possible through dialogue, engagement, and perseverance. That common ground that be found, even when positions and interest differ – that respect can be a universal language. This deal belongs to each and every one of us. Stay true to our commitments and we will stay true to ours and together with the rest of the international community we will preserve this nuclear deal.”

Iranian president Hassan Rouhani, who expended significant political capital to broker the deal, echoed the EU’s approach, stating: “I have ordered the foreign ministry to negotiate with the European countries, China and Russia in the coming weeks.

"If we achieve the deal's goals in co-operation with other members of the deal, it will remain in place."

Under the deal Iran has agreed to dramatically cut its enriched uranium stockpiles and its capacity to enrich uranium in the future. The IAEA gained full access to Iranian nuclear facilities under the deal to monitor its implementation.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...macron-france-rouhani-mogherini-a8342501.html

 

[Dinky]

#BREAKING Europeans will 'do everything' to protect companies in Iran: French presidency

https://twitter.com/x/status/994151848167854081

 

[zartosht]

RIP to Rouhani's political career. he will be a lame duck going forward and his dreams of a possible supreme leader post are over.

but I think this was a good response by iran. Wait a few weeks and put the ball In the euros court. this isolates the US and pits them against each other. even if the US wins this struggle it will come at the expense of their euro allies credibility.

if iran pulled out immidiatly that would give the euros an easy way out to side with the US while still maintaining some face and credibility. they can just say "if iran and US are out, whats the point of Russia,china, + 3 euros remaining?"

this is just stupid.... parasites trying to advance their political careers at the expense of irans credibility. are these Neanderthals seriously too stupid to understand that this only gives the enemy propaganda and helps them? or do they simply not care and getting more "anti American" credibility points while the ovens still hot matters more?

absolute parasites.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

If Russia is gone and Iran is conquered. Eyes will turn on China.

If Russia is "gone", then the USA will also have vanished from this Earth.

And who will help china hold off NATO, US, Israel, India? No one!

Nobody is helping China to begin with.

Look at China's island building and military base building in the South China Sea. Look how many "red lines" Obama drew against China there. Who is helping us?

Do you know China is currently engaged in a trade war with the USA? Who is helping us there?

Look at China's stand-off with India in the Donglang region? Any help? What about our Diaoyutai dispute with Japan? Any help?

Any words of support even?

Regardless of that, the Iran-Iraq war ingrained a feeling in Iran that we should not rely heavily on any one side. We did that, and when the going got tough, we were alone with a military we couldn't keep running.

It doesn't help that in 2002-12 China continued to vote with the US in the UNSC on imposing very harsh sanctions against Iran. And there's the C-802 debacle as well.

Why is it that when America and Iran look after their own interests first, it is acceptable and reasonable, but when China and Russia do it, it's suddenly suspect?

What duty or obligation do we have to look after the interests of any country other than our own? And who will do the same for us?

 

[zartosht]

Dude,nor i said its National policy, i said Good that they are not official of Iranian govt.

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your right... I misread your post