Trump expected to decertify Iran nuclear deal soon

[AmirPatriot]

Trump's JCPOA Decertification Looms

Thursday, October 12, 2017

As I'm sure you have all heard, it is looking very likely that Trump will decertify the JCPOA by the 15th October deadline. I say only very likely because there is still a small chance that his advisers and other officials could convince him otherwise... but I doubt it.




Most analysts have said that Trump will decertify and kick the deal for congress to deal with. This is probably to avoid having to keep certifying it every 90 days - which he clearly is personally against - and to pass the blame on to congress if it is decided the US will "pull out" of the accord.

Click the link below for the full blog post.

http://irangeomil.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/trumps-jcpoa-decertification-looms.html

 

[Tokhme khar]

So far no consequence to Iran, even if he decertifies. Russia, China will balk and laugh it off. It appears the EU will also not go along. Now if Trump arm twists the EU into decertifying, then I see some loss of business for Iran, otherwise this entire episode is just a dud. The global Iran sanctions regime is dead in the water. They can't be reimposed, no matter what.

 

[SubWater]

So far no consequence to Iran, even if he decertifies. Russia, China will balk and laugh it off. It appears the EU will also not go along. Now if Trump arm twists the EU into decertifying, then I see some loss of business for Iran, otherwise this entire episode is just a dud. The global Iran sanctions regime is dead in the water. They can't be reimposed, no matter what.

Don't trust Europeans dude
They are all puppets of Americans and have nothing from themselves
I don't like to accept and say but pulling out from nuclear deal and putting Iran army in terrorist list are all steps of war even with small percentage.
if we are smart enough we must immediately show the cost of war to Americans and Europeans maybe they pull back.

we can not trust china at all they would betray us for sure.
but Russia it depends to Putin and how he see future of Russia in the world.

 

[Muhammed45]

This Jack *** is bluffing . He is doing out of pure hatred .
Iran open to talks over its ballistic missile programme: sources
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...istic-missile-programme-sources-idUSKBN1CB22P

Some people are completely out of their mind. What is the next to offer them? Images from your bedroom?

offtopic but since you mentioned you write on military.ir, you guys recently had a thread there titled "Formation of Hizbullah - Pakistan chapter" .Please do update us on your progress in this regards for the low cultured people of Pakistan like how this man terms it
باید زودتر از اینها تشکیل میشد...به نظر من باید در کنار جنبه ی نظامی جنبه ی فرهنگی و تبلیغی رو هم در دستور کار قرار بدهند چون مردم پاکستان از نظر فرهنگی واقعا در سطح پایینی قرار دارند.مثل کاری که حزب الله تو لبنان داره میکنه.


Im also surprised why we dont find similar threads here on pdf..
@DESERT FIGHTER

If you get anything seriously on every thread that you find on internet, the people who wanted to NUKE Iran here on PDF, only to defend ISIS Jihadists in Syria, then you are asking us to lose our minds. Don't take morons on social medias so seriously.

 

[ashok321]

Senate GOP bill would put permanent restrictions on Iran's nuclear program

 

[ashok321]

Trump to bash Iran, argue nuclear deal not in US interests

 

[AmirPatriot]

Trump's Speech Couldn't Have Gone Better

Monday, October 16, 2017
I've spent a few days "observing" (being lazy about) the reaction to Trump's speech and honestly it was by far among the biggest fiascoes of Trump's entire administration.

And the reaction has been exactly what we have been hoping for.

http://irangeomil.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/trumps-speech-couldnt-have-gone-better.html

 

[mohsen]

Trump's Speech Couldn't Have Gone Better

Monday, October 16, 2017
I've spent a few days "observing" (being lazy about) the reaction to Trump's speech and honestly it was by far among the biggest fiascoes of Trump's entire administration.

And the reaction has been exactly what we have been hoping for.

http://irangeomil.blogspot.co.uk/2017/10/trumps-speech-couldnt-have-gone-better.html

then take note these:
Britain, Germany committed to Iran nuclear deal: May's office - Reuters
“They agreed the UK and Germany both remained firmly committed to the deal,” the spokeswoman said in a statement.

“They also agreed the international community needed to continue to come together to push back against Iran’s destabilizing regional activity, and to explore ways of addressing concerns about Iran’s ballistic missile program.”

declaration by the heads of state and government of france, germany and the UK on the U.S.’ Iran strategy - OFFICIAL STATEMENT
At the same time as we work to preserve the JCPoA, we share concerns about Iran’s ballistic missile programme and regional activities that also affect our European security interests. We stand ready to take further appropriate measures to address these issues in close cooperation with the US and all relevant partners.

McMaster: Allies back Trump on Iran nuke deal, Tehran not - Fox News
“It's a weak deal that is being weakly monitored,” McMaster said on “Fox News Sunday.” “The president has made clear that he will not permit this deal to provide cover for what we know is a horrible regime to develop a nuclear weapon.”
“Our European allies already support much more rigorous reinforcement of [the deal] and more monitoring,” McMaster said.

 

[AmirPatriot]

At the same time as we work to preserve the JCPoA, we share concerns about Iran’s ballistic missile programme and regional activities that also affect our European security interests. We stand ready to take further appropriate measures to address these issues in close cooperation with the US and all relevant partners.

Yes, maybe I should have included a section about this in the blog post. It's a very valid point.

I think that part in the statement was just them trying to balance it from a PR and diplomatic standpoint. After all, trump didn't just talk about the JCPOA. They are still US allies and this shows in their statements. You don't outright go against everything your allies, especially since Europe agrees with the US on the "ballistic missiles and regional activities".

But that's the thing - they agree with the US, but not with Trump. Notice the complete lack of inflammatory rhetoric in the European statement. No "dictatorship", "terrorism", or incorrect naming of the Persian gulf talk.

Europe will still resist any form of new sanctions on Iran, even those related to BMs and regional activities. They don't want to miss out economically. That section of the statement was just hot air.

 

[raptor22]

@mohsen @AmirPatriot Isn't horrible that now we just want to keep the deal alive? after all travel ban and Visa ban, ISA law, CAATSA and now clear attempt to sabotage the deal, I mean we can not bring our money into the country banks don't cooperate, European companies are afraid of the US punishments and don't come to Iran .. little by little it's become "Iran JCPoA" rather than "5+1 and Iran JCPoA" 'cause it's only Iran that honor the deal and adhere to it. And I am sure what the EU is doing right now which is defending JCPoA isn't anything but to keep the deal at least on paper and then start negotiation over missile program and regional issues.

 

[mohsen]

Yes, maybe I should have included a section about this in the blog post. It's a very valid point.

I think that part in the statement was just them trying to balance it from a PR and diplomatic standpoint. After all, trump didn't just talk about the JCPOA. They are still US allies and this shows in their statements. You don't outright go against everything your allies, especially since Europe agrees with the US on the "ballistic missiles and regional activities".

But that's the thing - they agree with the US, but not with Trump. Notice the complete lack of inflammatory rhetoric in the European statement. No "dictatorship", "terrorism", or incorrect naming of the Persian gulf talk.

Europe will still resist any form of new sanctions on Iran, even those related to BMs and regional activities. They don't want to miss out economically. That section of the statement was just hot air.

Buddy what do you think their appropriate measures is?
1.asking for limitations on our missile program.
2.asking for inspecting military sites
3.asking for end of support of Hizbollah
4.all of them

what's their leverage, except sanctions?
"Shut up" and "please be silent" mean the same. that statement by Europeans means full compliance with U.S policies, their role now is the good cop, the polite one, when the time comes for new sanctions, people would say look, the polite one is saying the same, so Iran is the bad guy.

Trump's and EU's language are complementary parts of a single strategy.

 

[mohsen]

@mohsen @AmirPatriot Isn't horrible that now we just want to keep the deal alive? after all travel ban and Visa ban, ISA law, CAATSA and now clear attempt to sabotage the deal, I mean we can not bring our money into the country banks don't cooperate, European companies are afraid of the US punishments and don't come to Iran .. little by little it's become "Iran JCPoA" rather than "5+1 and Iran JCPoA" 'cause it's only Iran that honor the deal and adhere to it. And I am sure what the EU is doing right now which is defending JCPoA isn't anything but to keep the deal at least on paper and then start negotiation over missile program and regional issues.

The thing is that JCPOA is all about Iran, when EU says we want to keep the JCPOA, they don't mean any obligation on themselves, they mean Iran's obligations.
Even EU has violated the deal several times.

No meaningful sanctions were removed in this shitty agreement, there is zero leverage for Iran in it's weak and poorly negotiated text. it's purely based on the trust in U.S and nothing more.

The end of JCPOA (even if had anything for us) was registered even before the implementation day, when U.S (that blood thirsty Obama) added their visa ban sanctions against Iran while Rouhani was busy destroying our centrifuges and didn't dare to announce the violation of the deal.
خشت اول گر نهد معمار کج، تا سریا میرود دیوار کج

 

[Dinky]

"We are working as Europeans to keep the Iran nuclear deal going." @BorisJohnson speaks at today's EU Foreign Affairs Council

https://twitter.com/x/status/919874579748843520

https://twitter.com/x/status/919910082414022656

 

[raptor22]

The thing is that JCPOA is all about Iran, when EU says we want to keep the JCPOA, they don't mean any obligation on themselves, they mean Iran's obligations.
Even EU has violated the deal several times.

No meaningful sanctions were removed in this shitty agreement, there is zero leverage for Iran in it's weak and poorly negotiated text. it's purely based on the trust in U.S and nothing more.

The end of JCPOA (even if had anything for us) was registered even before the implementation day, when U.S (that blood thirsty Obama) added their visa ban sanctions against Iran while Rouhani was busy destroying our centrifuges and didn't dare to announce the violation of the deal.
خشت اول گر نهد معمار کج، تا سریا میرود دیوار کج

what's the way out?

 

[mohsen]

what's the way out?

I'm afraid you just have to watch and see how Rouhani, Zarif and the rest of their gang will pull us down alongside themselves!

U.S will quit the deal eventually before the end of it's limitations (not now), and till that time, in cooperation with their European allies will create a huge propaganda against Iran, they will ask for inspection on military sites and after our refusal, we will be advertised as the one who has breached the deal.

what would you do if you knew a wall is going to fall?! (دیوار کج)

if we didn't have bunch of traitors in our side, we should have announced their violation of the deal several times already (whether respond to it or not) to create a huge propaganda against them, but traitors didn't and wont do that, cause they would loose face in Iran and are afraid of our people's reaction, so in the end they will prefer their own interest over national interest and wait till U.S and E.U complete their plan.