True Crime - Case 3 - Hit and Run Murder

[jhungary]

I need more details like country of crime and probably state name. Well this is not conclusion but it is possible that first she was hit by a car and culprits ran away and disoriented and shocked girl took a wrong path to search help but she met another criminal who took advantage and raped her to death.

This crime happened in the US, if I tell you which states, you will probably very easily found out which case I am talking about, because it was quite a big crime in that States history.

It is possible to have the different persons or group that hit her and raped her, the problem is, if she was indeed hit first and she was concussed and shock, and walk away in shock, then there are only a small window she would have, because she was estimated to be hit by a car at 4:40 and a 911 call for her discovery is received at 5:47 and where she was hit and where she was found is approximately 5 miles apart...

 

[jhungary]

what car does the Boyfriend have?
can we place him on the Scene where girl was raped?
have we been able to establish the origin of the sheet??

I mean since the start i don't like the idea of this sheet?, if you are to rape a girl that you have just struck why the sheet then?

The BF drove a Pick Up truck, and he was excluded as an suspect because he has a very solid alibi.

The origin of the sheet is unknown, but it's unlikely she had that with her when she left the BF house, as she was biking, picking up the sheet while she was biking is unlikely and the BF does not report she is carrying anything.

The sheet is then suspected was to be left by the Rapist. The police speculate that the Rapist lay the sheet across and rape Diana so afterward he can retrieve the sheet and would not leave any evidence with it, but somehow he or they forgot to take it with them. Notice the lack of physical evidence on the rape even tho she was bleeding and was just hit by a car.

we can't have that otherwise some would look it up on google

lol, I will tell you all on the 19th Hehe

 

[Amaa'n]

This crime happened in the US, if I tell you which states, you will probably very easily found out which case I am talking about, because it was quite a big crime in that States history.

It is possible to have the different persons or group that hit her and raped her, the problem is, if she was indeed hit first and she was concussed and shock, and walk away in shock, then there are only a small window she would have, because she was estimated to be hit by a car at 4:40 and a 911 call for her discovery is received at 5:47 and where she was hit and where she was found is approximately 5 miles apart...

this is one effed up case honestly speaking --- in OP you said that the discovery scene was leading to a fishing spot --- i mean it is evening....you end your fishing trip and start getting back by evening ----- still no one saw the ordeal

 

[jhungary]

I played a trick but you got me case is too complicated must be handed over to Punjab Police

The Punjab Five-O eh? I would want to see that show....

As you said she was good athlete she can cover this distance anyway it is not possible for her to walk that distance at least we need to give some time to rapist also, Now it is confirmed she was hit by the car and same person or persons raped her 5 miles away.

Rapist don't need to injure her that way probably motive behind is a rage against her it seems she insulted someone and in a fit of rage person or persons first hit her and then decided to further to rape.

Did she recently have fight or exchange words with any of suspected persons?

She most likely could not walk the 5 miles to be discovered by 5:47 (given I normal walk a mile in 20 minutes or so and she was ran over on a bike, so I would say it is unlikely she can walk 5 miles to the location she was discovered before 5:47)

But then again, that alone cannot rule out the two parties theory.

And the victim and the suspects should not have known each other. As I said, the victim is a tourist.

this is one effed up case honestly speaking --- in OP you said that the discovery scene was leading to a fishing spot --- i mean it is evening....you end your fishing trip and start getting back by evening ----- still no one saw the ordeal

yeah, this case is quite F up, but if you know all the detail, you would probably think this case is actually quite straight forward.

but again, I cannot tell you about that now, you need to try and find out how, you need to tell me what you want to know and I will tell you what that would be (as long as it is known in the right time in real detail...)

 

[Amaa'n]

The Punjab Five-O eh? I would want to see that show....

She most likely could not walk the 5 miles to be discovered by 5:47 (given I normal walk a mile in 20 minutes or so and she was ran over on a bike, so I would say it is unlikely she can walk 5 miles to the location she was discovered before 5:47)

But then again, that alone cannot rule out the two parties theory.

And the victim and the suspects should not have known each other. As I said, the victim is a tourist.



yeah, this case is quite F up, but if you know all the detail, you would probably think this case is actually quite straight forward.

but again, I cannot tell you about that now, you need to try and find out how, you need to tell me what you want to know and I will tell you what that would be (as long as it is known in the right time in real detail...)

my last input on the subject for the Day -----
One have to be out of his mind to rape a woman who is in pool of blood -- as said in first a pool of blood was found near the crash site, that means the girl was already bleeding-----

bra thrown on the tree, again one must have that thirst or lust to go beyond the limits of humanity

we are able to place VW at the discovery scene or not?

 

[jhungary]

my last input on the subject for the Day -----
One have to be out of his mind to rape a woman who is in pool of blood -- as said in first a pool of blood was found near the crash site, that means the girl was already bleeding-----

bra thrown on the tree, again one must have that thirst or lust to go beyond the limits of humanity

we are able to place VW at the discovery scene or not?

Well, seems like it.

And no, the VW cannot be placed at the discovery scene.

Good night, see you tomorrow

If not two party case then it must be a revenge killing, first she was not just stopped but a car rammed over her then they / he picked her up for further torture to secluded area (a person/s must be native) it may like someone tries to hit on her but rejected / humiliated in front of his group, they / he took drug which makes them agitated and mean time they / he saw her ridding and in a fit of rage witch fueled by drugs hit her then took her to be eventually raped and killed.


There was joke that Punjab police can solve any case with in given time, once they were ordered to produce stolen deer and with one hour they produce elephant who himself claiming to be stolen deer with shaking voice
they solve case with chitar

well, I don't think being 1 party or 2 have any bearing of the case, I mean any type of involvement can be linked to either of the situation (Both pre-planned or opportunistic) The problem, however is what you can proof and how you can get to that point to proof. You know some basic information, now you need to use them to find more, that's the name of this game

Just keep asking question both to other and yourself and you will probably have the answer.

Good luck

 

[Amaa'n]

Well, seems like it.

And no, the VW cannot be placed at the discovery scene.

Good night, see you tomorrow



well, I don't think being 1 party or 2 have any bearing of the case, I mean any type of involvement can be linked to either of the situation (Both pre-planned or opportunistic) The problem, however is what you can proof and how you can get to that point to proof. You know some basic information, now you need to use them to find more, that's the name of this game

Just keep asking question both to other and yourself and you will probably have the answer.

Good luck

i can't take my mind off this case, so had to come back to check on it ----
* Any tire print picked up from the discovery scene??
* We can pick Fred up & grill him, we have circumstantial evidence, the tire metal , the shirt & prior to rape , drug use ...... we can try him for hit & run case?
* any print from the bra? the tire metal found near fred home, any print off that ---- are there any previous cases of rape or sexual harassment in the area? considering it was a vacation spot,

 

[jhungary]

i can't take my mind off this case, so had to come back to check on it ----
* Any tire print picked up from the discovery scene??
* We can pick Fred up & grill him, we have circumstantial evidence, the tire metal , the shirt & prior to rape , drug use ...... we can try him for hit & run case?
* any print from the bra? the tire metal found near fred home, any print off that ---- are there any previous cases of rape or sexual harassment in the area? considering it was a vacation spot,

lol. That's alright.......I remember when I first read about this case, I cannot take my mind off this as well, this is probably one of the case you will never forget, and til this day, I still can see and imagine the face of Diana even I read about this some 5 months ago, it just keep stuck on my mind.

to your question.

No tire track found on discovery scene.

No print on the bra either, there aren't really a sin city like Las Vegas, there are quite safe up to this point, and the crime happens on the early 90s. So, crime is not really that rampant.

 

[Levina]

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Thanks for the tag.

Sounds like an interesting case.

• One thing that baffles me is why would anyone be ready with a sheet to rape? I mean who rapes with a sheet?I doubt if there was an attempt to rape at all.

• Bite mark on her body could be a love bite too (IF it wasnt too deep).

• Her lingerie hanging on the tree makes it sound like a revenge attack.
• there wasn't enough time to rape her.4:40 the car hit her, 4:45 her screams are heard. Albeit 5 mins are sufficient to tear her clothes off and make it look like an attempt to rape.

@jhungary my observation!

 

[Goenitz]

he people in the car that call the police was cleared by the Police

u didn't include that before in evidence...

as well as the bite mark on Diana Breast does not match anybody

anyway, so body marks would have been due to someone biting till very end !! as fresh body recover impression (or were they actually like injury marks with teeth)...
was Diana nervous when she met her boyfriend?
or someone jealous that she is marrying (as her bf was being invited)?
I am not googling it but can u tell me what can be semen sample life in open air? if it is less than 2 hours (as ambulance took that time and police may too) then all previous samples of '3 suspects' got degraded...
I think just before Diana screamed, another 'passerby' got opportunity and bit her (so marks remained) and tried to rape... when he tried to fled the scene, her bra might have been tangled with him and he threw it away near the crime scene..

there wasn't enough time to rape her.4:40 the car hit her, 4:45 her

I think she was raped in car too but still 20 mint (1625-1645) is not much..

 

[Amaa'n]

lol. That's alright.......I remember when I first read about this case, I cannot take my mind off this as well, this is probably one of the case you will never forget, and til this day, I still can see and imagine the face of Diana even I read about this some 5 months ago, it just keep stuck on my mind.

to your question.

No tire track found on discovery scene.

No print on the bra either, there aren't really a sin city like Las Vegas, there are quite safe up to this point, and the crime happens on the early 90s. So, crime is not really that rampant.

ok --- let me shoot this one more time ----
Fred has a rape prior, others have a drug prior --- how long was that ago?
we cannot pick them up on these cases to grill no?? they are addicts, kids, we can break them?

 

[Arsalan]

So, you are okay with the current situation on the case? And nothing more you need to be done?

Well since i have a confession and clear cut indication (not evidence) based on what i am SURE of how things happened, i will not try to go any deeper and uncover things that create problems for me during trial. My sixth sense tells me this is how it all happened, i have a confession, i will close the case at that.

This will really be my closing note for this case (on my diary may be)

The three suspects have previous history one of them have a history of sexual offense. They were out together, saw a girl in what seems to be a revealing dress riding a bike on a not so busy road. The rushed after her and followed her in their car. Made indecent remarks and gestures. Not the girl might have responded in an aggressive way or maybe she just IGNORED (that will be a big offense to the three kids out for some fun and having previous record of law breaking), The turned the car, accelerated toward her and hit her bike to teach her a lesson (high on drugs most probably or otherwise high on the sense of them being cool gangsters with all their previous record). The rape MUST have come as an after though. With the girl helpless and immobilized, the beast nature took over, Fred with a rape prior took charge, dragged her to the car where the three men drove off to the secluded location, dragged her out and raped her! The other two brother may well have taken part in the rape as (what little I can judge) Fred must have motivated them to try it out (he had past experience). Then out of fear or just because of their arrogant criminal nature, the hit the girl and left her to die!

There are no other possibilities really. That is how it happened. Almost certain about it.

 

[jhungary]

sorry y'all, not feeling very well today, have to response to all the inquiry tomorrow

 

[hembo]

Time Line

5:25 pm - 911 call to report the suspected Hit and Run

I presume the car guys that the woman sought help from made this call.. Right?

5:26 pm - Diana's father called 911 on the crash site reporting the detail and kidnapping

Obvious caller

5:47 pm - 911 call to report a woman (Diana) was found and injured and has been raped.

Who made this call???

Evidence

1 of Diana's Shoe left on above a mile away from the collision scene

How would one of her shoe come off and fall off one mile away from the first crime scene? Was her feet dangling out that means?

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   1 strand of hair (blond) found near the shoe belong to Diana

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      This hair belong to the victim I presume? That was also a mile away from the first crime scene? That means she was out of the vehicle at this area.

Few more queries that props up immediately:

1. If she was a total outsider and not known to the locals, how come she had a local boyfriend?
2. The woman who heard and found the victim, was she known to any of the suspects or the victim's boyfriend?
3. Any other description for this woman? Age, build, background etc.
4. How far is the second crime scene from the service road?
5. Are any of the suspect regular at fishing?? How else would they know about the convenient opening on the fishing trail?
6. How big was the sheet that was found under the victim? Was it like a bedspread / bed-sheet?

 

[PakBlood]

So, I guess you all ready for our third case, right?

As usual, for today case, we will solve this murder, and I will provide you as many information as I can as an crime scene investigator, you will play the role of a detective, you can ask me any question you would like regarding the crime scene or interview question with the suspect(es) and I will answer you given the real crime reaction to the suspects. Also all crime scene detail and environment would be provided to you without the actual photograph (that would be provided after I review the actual case file to you)

You will have 5 days to solve this case, the case detail as well as the criminal punishment will be review on the 19th October AEDT.

So, you all ready?

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Hit and Run Murder

On an afternoon in December, a woman heard a female voice calling for help not far from her home, the woman followed the female voice and eventually entered into a clearing on a heavily wooded area. She saw a girl, with her jean short and panty pulled down on her ankle, with her leg spread open, her top have been ripped off and pull over the shoulder and her bra was hanging on a nearby tree. The girl is obliviously has been raped and left in the area, she is so weak that she can only mumble a few word, and one of those words are "Help me Please"

She cannot say her name or pretty much anything else, she was in shock, she have a big gash over her head and bruises all over her body, she is naked and blood gushing out from her head. The woman flag down a nearby car on her way to get a towel for the poor girl and the driver and his 3 companions called the Police and Ambulance.

It will be another 2 hours, however, before Diana, the poor girl that has been raped, before the ambulance reach the scene.

5 Miles away from where Diana was found, there lies a mangled bike on the side of a dirt road, next to the bike was a woman shoes, a strip of hair and blood stain, the gravel along the dirt road has been spread evenly as if a car drift thru and drive out, there are also an acceleration mark leading to the mangle bike, suggesting the bike was intentionally rammed by the car.

It does not take long for the investigator to put 2 and 2 together and figure out this bike belong to Diana and she was rammed off the road, dragged into the car, and transporting her 5 miles to the secluded clearing and was raped there.

Despite heroic effort for the rescuer and the doctors, Diana died the next day on the operation table.

Victim - Diana

Diana was a 23 years old girl from out of town, she has just graduated from College, she is outgoing, and outdoorsy, she enjoy the nature, and she is athletic and fit.

She is 5 foot 4 tall, weighted 110 pounds, slim build, with long blond hair and big blue eyes, she stands out in the crowd, she was beautiful, in contrast to what was left of her after the senseless assault.

She is in town to visit her sister, which live in the area, the area is a famous vacation spot and Diana and her parent were all visiting and live with Diana's sister house.

Last Seen

She was last seen by her boyfriend, Michael at 4 pm, at Michael's home, Diana biked there from her home 7 miles away to invite Michael to dinner the next day. Diana eager to go home before sundown and Mike offer her a ride back home, Diana refused and biked out of Mike House, Mike last seen Diana riding her bike toward her home and got up onto the highway, and afterward, the next time anybody sees Diana would be her lying on her back after being raped and left for dead.

Crime Scenes

There are two crime scenes, 1 where Diana's bicycle was struck near the dirt road, and 1 where Diana was raped and found.

Impact Crime Scenes

The impact had happened on a dirt/service road on a corner flanked by heavily and dense wood area on both side. Diana was hit approximately 1 mile to her home on 4:40pm, the scene was found by a local resident, Diana bike was crushed and mangled on the intersection, and a strand of her hair, her watch and blood was found nearby her bike. Her single shoes was found approximately 1 block further out to the point of impact. There is an acceleration track leading up across from the opposite side of the traffic and leading to the bicycle wreckage.

Collision scene suggest that the car that hit her bicycle was hit intentionally leaving a mark of impact, she was either drag under or her shoe was ejected for a block away from her. The car hit Diana, then U turn and driven toward Diana and pick her up and drove off.

Discovery Crime Scene

Diana was found, with her shorts and panty pulled down and her shirt ripped off and pulled over her shoulder, she was still alive at that point, she was immobilized. She was discovered about 5 miles from the Impact Crime Scene (which is about 6 miles from her home) and she was lay across a tiny opening surrounded with bush, her bra was ripped off of her body and hang by a near tree.

Diana was found by a person who lived nearby, the trail where Diana was found is secluded and leading to a fishing spot.

Cause of Death (COD)

Diana was killed approximately 8 hours after her initial assault, her COD is listed as Internal bleeding due to internal injury, which her type of injury is consistence with an Automobile Accident. Also she has suffered a laceration to her head, tho non-lethal, could have concussion, which explain her initial in-coherent response.

Bite mark was found on Diana body

Time Line

4:00 pm - Diana is last seen by Mark leaving Mark home
4:25 pm - Diana rode pass a scenic spot where later witness testify a VW Beetle Drove off in the same direction Diana's heading
4:40 pm - Diana was estimated to be hit by a car and presume kidnapped
4:45 pm - The woman heard a female cries and went out to investigate
5:25 pm - 911 call to report the suspected Hit and Run
5:26 pm - Diana's father called 911 on the crash site reporting the detail and kidnapping
5:47 pm - 911 call to report a woman (Diana) was found and injured and has been raped.
6:50 pm - Ambulance Arrived on scene
12:07 am (the next day) - Diana died from Internal Bleeding

Evidence

Evidence found in both scenes is listed as follow

1. Tire Mark belong to a car was found accelerating toward the opposite side and ram Diana's bicycle
2. Diana's watch left on the collision scene
3. 1 of Diana's Shoe left on above a mile away from the collision scene
4. Pool of blood on the side of the road, belong to Diana near the collision scene
5. 1 strand of hair (blond) found near the shoe belong to Diana
6. Wreckage for Diana's bicycle was found on the collision scene. Shown mark of vehicle collision.
7. Diana's bra was found on a tree near where Diana was found.
8. Diana's another shoes (Matching the shoe found on the collision scene) on the trail leading to Diana
9. A Large men shirt was found beside Diana with Diana Blood on it.
10. DNA (Semen Sample) was found on Diana's Vagina and her panty and a sheet .

Below is a list of Circumstantial Evidence on Diana murder.

1. Witness testimony saw all 3 suspects drive off on a Purple VW Beetle after a woman on a bike (Presumed to be Diana)
   
2. Suspects 2 vehicle match the damage part of Diana's bike. And the vehicle was subsequently repair and repaint to yellow.
3. Suspects 1 have own a similar shirt that was found on the crime scene
4. DNA sample collected on Diana panty and vagina was too degraded to test but the DNA retrieve on a sheet under Diana is tested negative on all 3 suspects.
5. Bite mark on Diana does not match any of the suspect
6. Witness testimony on suspect 1 talk about the attack.
7. A tire iron similar to the one that used to hit Diana head with was found near suspect 1 house, no DNA or trace evidence was found to link the tire iron on the commission of crime.

Suspects

Suspect 1 : Fred

Testimony from witness have saw Fred on the surf spot before Diana murder, and Fred jump into the car and drove off after "A girl on a bike"

Fred also own a shirt that similar to the one found next to Diana

Fred has also allegedly confess to the police as being present at the crime scene, there are no evidence suggest this happens as it was not recorded. And the confession detail are very close to the actual situation where the rape and assault happens.

A tire iron was found not far from Fred House that match the wound of Diana, however, there are no trace evidence support that tire iron was used in the crime.

Fred bite mark does not match the bite mark on Diana

Fred DNA does not match all known sample collected on Diana

Suspect 2 : Irving

Testimony from witness have saw Irving on the surf spot before Diana murder, and Irving jump into the car and drove off after "A girl on a bike"

Irving own a VW Beetle that matches the damage done to Diana's bike.

Irving allegedly confessed to a jail house snitch on his involvement of the crime.

Irving bite mark does not match the bite mark on Diana

Irving DNA does not match all known sample collected on Diana

Suspect 3 : Steven

Testimony from witness have saw Steven on the surf spot before Diana murder, and Steven jump into the car and drove off after "A girl on a bike"

Irving and Steven are brothers.

Steven bite mark does not match the bite mark on Diana

Steven DNA does not match all known sample collected on Diana

First of all, look for fingerprints on the ripped clothes and on Diana's body, I think that fingerprints belonging to 2 persons will be found:
1) Her boyfriend
2)Another Suspect

The DNA samples likely belong to her b.f. and not any of the mentioned suspects, and are probably unrealted to the crime.

I think the crime involved more than 1 person, and hence the DNA etc cannot be traced to a particular individual.

Also, I think that Fred is INNOCENT, he is most likely being forced to accept a crime that he did'nt confess by the actual criminal, this is because:
a)He stepped forward to 'confess' that he did it
b)He owns a shirt that is similiar to the one found on the crime scene,this means that someone wanted Fred to look like the criminal,also, having a similiar looking shirt does not count as solid evidence, that particular shirt could have been sold to millions of people.
c) DNA etc does not confirm that it was Fred.

What to do:
Interrogate Fred further to see if he shows signs of being afraid , since he has "confessed" ask him at what time did he alegedly conducted the attack and what kind of sexual acts did he perform, he probably wont be able to provide the correct answers,

Obtain DNA and Saliva samples from her b.f. and ask him whether he has a biting fetish

The suspects are the two brothers but I think that they were accompanied by a third person who as not been mentioned
Go to the crime scene and see if there are any foot prints, if yes then collect the size of foot print, the pattern made by the shoes etc and see if any of the suspects have such shoes,
collect finger prints from the tire iron

Suspect 2's vehicle was likely used to commit the crime, also, a witness says that all three were seen driving in tne car together, ask that witness to describe the faces of the guys that the witness saw.

I'll continue according to the response.