Top ten military powers?

[ahussains]

01 - USA
02 - Russia
03 - UK
04 - France
05 - China
06 - Germany
07 - Japan
08 - Israel
09 - India
10 - Turkey
11 - South Korea
12 - Pakistan

I rated UK and France higher than China due their technological superiority over China in conventional as well as nuclear field. Germany and Japan are not a nuclear powers but have overall technological superiority over India and very advanced Air Force and Navy.

India holds numeric superiority over Israel and has a better navy but Israeli forces are definately better equipped.

Pakistan is ranked 12th on my list, behind Turkey and South Korea for the obvious reasons that Air Force and Navy lack offensive (decisive) capabilities.

I am also 100% agree with you but in my opinion i put Pakistan Ahead of South Korea Due to Nuclear Power and an Active Advance Missile System.

 

[Janbaz]

1. USA
2. RUSSIA
3. ISREAL
4. UK
5. FRANCE
6. JAPAN
7. GERMANY
8. CHINA
9. INDIA
10. IRAN

Bro, even though i consider this a semi dead topic, Pakistan tops Iran out....Not that they are ineffective, just to confident on thier indeginious weapon systems.....

 

[Neo]

at the ebd of the day we can debate about it, but there's one thing that is more detrimental to the outcome of a war than any other: the human factor. at the end of the day the side with more motivation and better commanders usually win wars. best example is vietnam

I agree, we've seen it in Vietnam and the opposite in Iraq.

 

[Black Stone]

This is difficult to list as there are many factors to be considered.

1. USA
2. China
3. Russia
4. France
5. UK
6. Israel
7. India
8. Pakistan
9. South Korea
10. Turkey

 

[Proud to be Pakistani]

1. USA
2. Russia
3. UK
4. France
5. China
6. Israel
7. India
8. Turkey
9. South Korea
10.Pakistan

 

[salman nedian]

1. USA
2. RUSSIA
3. ISREAL
4. UK
5. FRANCE
6. JAPAN
7. GERMANY
8. CHINA
9. INDIA
10. IRAN

this is ridiculous, Iran is ahead of Pakistan???????????????

No way

Pakistan has a very good air power with the induction of JF-17s and J-10s and especially when we will be building them as well, we will have advantage. to me manufacturing capability matters a lot. we have our ground power comparable to anyone in the world and as we are gaining capabilities to build subs, frigates and missile crafts we have a good navy.

But surely Pakistan has to build up a strong naval air unit which should contain air craft careers to achieve the capability to take a decisive action against any aggressor.

 

[Goodperson]

This camparison makes no sense its just for debate.

 

[Neo]

An excellent analisys by Zraver posted elsewhere in this forum:

The current international classification of lesser, middle, greater, and super powers is to limited. I fall into the camp that adds a new catagory- hyper power. This divides the world in to 5 categories that are more objectively compared with one another.

The term Hyperpower was coined in France.
To Paris, U.S. Looks Like a 'Hyperpower' - International Herald Tribune

Placing the US into the Hyper Power catagory means the term Superpower can be more readily ascribed to several factions who quite frankly by themselves have more power than any nation in history before 1945.

Hyperpower
Global conventional ground force projection, hegemonic power in at least 1 of these 5 broad areas: Cultural-Economic/Industrial-Energy-Military-Political, and all super power categories.

USA*Dominant in 4 hegemonic areas: Cultural, Economic/Industry, Military, and Political.

Superpower(having all of the following)

1 trillion USD economy (actual) not PPP
100,000,000 population base or greater.
Credible space program.
Blue water capable navy.
Nuclear weapons.
P5 seat on the UN Security Council.
Modern air force and aerospace industry.

Russia Has near hegemonic energy influence over Europe.
China Rapidly becoming an non-military industrial hegemon.
India
EU
India and the EU are emerging/potential Superpowers with potential hegemonic traits like the Euro (Economic) and Bollywood(culture).

Great Powers (most of the above list- within 1-2 categories)

England (-Population)* Eventually faces loss of P5 seat to EU if the EU federalizes. -1
France (-Population)*Eventually faces loss of P5 seat to EU if the EU federalizes. -1
Germany (Nukes, P5 Seat) -2
Japan (Nukes, P5 Seat) -2
India (P5 seat)* India is a P5 contender. -2
Brazil (Nukes, P5 Seat)* Brazil is a P5 contender. -2


Middle Powers (missing 3-6)
South Korea (Nukes, P5 Seat, Population) -3
Pakistan (Blue Water Navy, Economy, P5 Seat) -3
Iran (Nukes, Blue Water Navy, Population, Economy, P5 Seat)-4
Israel (Blue Water Navy, Population, Economy, -P5 Seat) -4
Mexico (Space program, Aerospace Industry, Nukes, Blue Water Navy, P5 seat) -5
Taiwan (Nukes, P5 Seat, Population, Space program, Economy) -5
Ukraine (Nukes, Population, P5 Seat, Blue Water Navy, Economy) -5
Egypt (Nukes, Population, P5 Seat, Blue Water Navy, Economy, Space program) -6
Turkey (Nukes, Blue Water Navy, Population, Economy, P5 seat, Space program) -6


Lesser Powers (are missing 7 or more of the categories)

South Africa *destroyed existing nuclear weapons.

Categories

Blue Water Capable Navy, having a naval force capable of acting in a decisive manner far from the nations own shores (1000Km plus) with frigate sized or larger warships.

Credible Space Program, having launched at least one sophisticated commercial, scientific, or military satellite and having a dedicated space agency.

Global Ground Force Projection, being able to sustain 1/4 million military personnel (collective) outside the nations border for a significant period of time measured in years.

Hegemonic Power, being the single most import actor in a given area, one that the rest of the world generally conforms to (soft power) or fears/aligns with (hard power).


Modern Air force and Aerospace Industry, having at least 4th generation fighters and the ability to produce at least some sort of jet powered or rotary winged aircraft.

Nuclear Weapons, having a credible deterrent force of weaponized nuclear devices and delivery systems.

Trillion Dollar Economy, having a real GDP of at least 1 trillion US dollars, not measured in PPP. This is likely to change to the Euro at some point as that currency continues its ascendant rise.

P5 Seat, having a seat on the permanent UN Security Council.

Notes

Nations are not judged by areas where they still lag behind (down points) but by up points. Thus things like access to health care, literacy, homelessness etc are not factors in the rankings. Only those things that can be objectively compared to other states and that are in or can be considered to be in direct competition to other states are considered.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/global-military-defence/8037-international-power-rankings.html

 

[salman nedian]

Population has not been mentioned in Pakistan's properties which could improve our ranking

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

All these classifications don't matter.

What matters is what they are achieving for their people and how they are capable of defending their internal and external security issues.

 

[mujahideen]

All these classifications don't matter.

What matters is what they are achieving for their people and how they are capable of defending their internal and external security issues.

Well said. As far as the economic part is concerned if the economic progress doesn't bring benefits to the common man or the lower class people what good is it? The money will continue to revolve around a couple of people.

 

[KENT]

Bro, even though i consider this a semi dead topic, Pakistan tops Iran out....Not that they are ineffective, just to confident on thier indeginious weapon systems.....

Just tell me in which area Pakistan top to Iran. I think it will be the Nukes other then that there is nothing anything you can bring to outperform Iran.

 

[mujahideen]

Just tell me in which area Pakistan top to Iran. I think it will be the Nukes other then that there is nothing anything you can bring to outperform Iran.

What are you talking about man. You obviously know nothing about Pakistan. Now you have compared us with Iran so I will only focus on this. We have a bigger Army then Iran, more tanks, nukes you have mentioned, better and more advance equipment, better pilots, and I could go on and on. The only thing they might be better then us in is Defence budget. But honestly Iran and Pakistan will never have an issue with each other so if this comparison is being done, to see who will win in a war, it is just not going to happen.

 

[KENT]

What are you talking about man. You obviously know nothing about Pakistan.

You are making contradiction to yourself

Now you have compared us with Iran so I will only focus on this. We have a bigger Army then Iran, more tanks, nukes you have mentioned, better and more advance equipment, better pilots, and I could go on and on.

Pls tell what are those advanced equipment? Iran already got some of the best fighter planes like F-14, MIg-29, propsed 250 Su-30 as well as their own awacs and top of that they formidable air defence system in the form S-300 pmu. I don't have the time right now otherwise I could go on and on.

The only thing they might be better then us in is Defence budget. But honestly Iran and Pakistan will never have an issue with each other so if this comparison is being done, to see who will win in a war, it is just not going to happen.

I know man war is not going to happen, but just we are using our intellect to judge who is better in terms of armed forces and modernisation of weapons.

 

[mujahideen]

You are making contradiction to yourself
Pls tell what are those advanced equipment? Iran already got some of the best fighter planes like F-14, MIg-29, propsed 250 Su-30 as well as their own awacs and top of that they formidable air defence system in the form S-300 pmu. I don't have the time right now otherwise I could go on and on.
I know man war is not going to happen, but just we are using our intellect to judge who is better in terms of armed forces and modernisation of weapons.

Whatever the case maybe Iranian Forces cant beat Pakistani Forces. Only their Air Force must not be counted everything is a factor in war and even the IAF is no match for the PAF. The PAF pilots are one of the bests in the world. Pakistan is know for its pilots. Take the history of any world conflict in which the PAF was used PAF pilots have always been a bright spot.