Top ten military powers?

[khanz]

hi guys ok plz lets stop arguing no need to bash other peoples countries

I googled it and according to strategy page pak is 10th strongest and iran is not even on the list I think their airforce is weak due to isolation from the west PAF is stronger they have the quality and quantity edge over IRIAF most of their fighters are home made not comparable to paf and even most of their f-14s are grounded too other than that they only have a few migs.

here their list:
According to the CIA and other Intelligence Services (European, Asian, African) this is the tally - based on a Combination of Manpower, Technology, Firepower, Training, Resources, Available Reserves, and Nuclear Potential (Current or Likely):

1. USA
2. China
3. Germany
4. India
5. France
6. Russia
7. UK
8. Italy
9. Israel
10. Pakistan

this from 2004 agree or disagree with this list ?
also iran will not get 250 sukhois that was just a rumuor and was denied by russia.

 

[khanz]

also I disagree with the globaly firepower index c'mon guys theres no way in hell mexico is a bigger military power than israel.

 

[Tiki Tam Tam]

Not understood.

We are talking of regular forces!

 

[amunhotep]

heres my list as honest and unbiased as possible not just based on nukes btw

1. USA
2. Russia
3. China
4. India
5. Uk
6. France
7. Israel
8. Pakistan
9. South korea
10.Turkey


post yours try to be objective guys !

south korea ahead of australia ???? turkey ahead of germany ????

care to explain dear ????

 

[Astra]

Find some link below -
Note: All links talks about civilian aids and not military. Though after war of terror Pakistan getting huge amout of money and utilizing for its own military and debt re-payment.

http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/APCITY/UNPAN027099.pdf
This is study done by Ghulam Mohey-ud-din from Pakistan itself -

A Quote from there -
"In case of Pakistan, the foreign aid is a major form of the foreign capital
inflow and has a significant role for the country’s economic development. The
trends and the patterns have shown that the FDI, portfolio investment and
borrowing through private sources have also increased sharply. But Pakistan
is still unable to attract such FCIs. Pakistan lacks physical, financial & human
capital as well as political & macroeconomic stability. So, it has to rely on
foreign aid or foreign debt."

The Political Economy of US Aid to Pakistan

By Mumtaz Anwar, Katharina Michaelowa

Who says -
"Pakistan belongs to the developing countries most heavily depending on foreign aid after independence."

Do some thing and stop abusing neighbor, it creates wrong preception for FDI.

Thanks for saving me some time.

 

[khanz]

south korea ahead of australia ???? turkey ahead of germany ????

care to explain dear ????

I've never seen australia ranked highly in world military powers south korea is often in the top list.
Australia is no military power south korea has a far bigger military both and a quality edge over australia.

 

[Janbaz]

What I can applaud for Pakistan is that, in last 60 years they are able to produce world class scientist from Post Graduate Madarsas and done massive R&D in these facilities. Congratulations!!!!!!!!!! Keep this going.........

It's the 1st time i have felt like replying to a person of your stature... listen all of us could bash you and your native land that you so dearly love...OK...So get over the urge of talking crap about my nation. Im keeping it simple for you "buddy"..

 

[khanz]

here is another list according to strategy page this time going by combat power slightly different from the previous one.

1. United States

2. China

3. Israel

4. India

5. Russia

6. South Korea

7. North Korea

8. United Kingdom

9. Turkey

10. Pakistan

 

[Janbaz]

Do not be angry... Top ten military powers do not get angry as early as you are. I know it is sarcastic and bit pinching comment... Give some realistic answer, hope I may agree with you...

I mean you are the one that made the dumb if i can say that comment in your second last post and now are taunting me...Even you agree it is sarcastic and pinching, if so refrain from it....and talk real..Hopefully you get my point.

 

[Janbaz]

Dear still you do not understand what I mean. Straight to your mind -> Truth is always pinching, painfull (I can feel your pain) and sarcasm many times takes the truth out from mind.

Any way leave this here only and tell me if a country spends $2.7B annually on military then would it be in top ten military power in world? Please do not ask the country's name else you will again find me sarcastic.

Waiting for you answer in Yes or No...

I'll say yes and here is why:
The exisiting platforms to operate militarly are alreay there. Air Defence systems, Trained war machine, fighter jets, submarines etc. So...if a puny budgeted nation competes with a giant India, then hell yes it is a military power.

 

[Janbaz]

Wow.. I am impressed. $2.7B budget comes at 33rd place. And you are trying to say all 32 countries do not have platform, trained people and machine. Too good.

The will and guts to fight count too... Do others have the same experience as the Pakistani war machine.....Little do amongst those. And i aint saying 32 others do not have platform etc. some not that comprable to that of Pakistan.

Also yes this is biggest power's one of the top research lab site. I am again impressed, you will find all information about world class reasearch done at this facility...

I am sure it was left after the 2002 happenings on proliferation...Well the major Indian failiure corporation DRDO is in a class of its own, uncomprable and unmatchable!

 

[khanz]

plz guys i don't want this thread to get junked mr peacelover i ask you respectfully to plz to bashing my country.Anyway back to topic we're in the top 10 also a because of being a nuclear power and one of the few countries to build and operate cruise missiles and I have read various military sites compiled by reputable organizations taking into account all different aspects of the military in their rankings pak is always in the top 10 i posted the list before according to CIA and various think tanks.
Actually it's not so bad if people think we're weak it's better to be underestimated

 

[Janbaz]

I think out of 32, most of them are older country than 33rd one and they have fought wars and many times won too



I have deep sympathy from you. Your hero becomes the part of ...... Network.

And DRDO has its own failure and success, and shown great transparancy in last few years. They are always under huge scrutiny from Indian media and public. They do not smuggle and show off 100% success rate. And scientists come from top engineering colleges and universities not from Madarsas. Now do not dare to comment on India's technical institutes

Well to their overglorified Teja/LCA brute, it seems they drown in self esteem and confidence! Plus forget that Pakistanis are behind India in development of sciences and technology. Your own scientists claim our missiles to be better, the JF-17 sent alarm bells all across the land and still you deny the facts! Get a hold of yourself bro!

 

[Neo]

How can Pakistan by spending only $2.7B on military budget in 2007 become top 10 power in the world. Its at 33rd position in whole world.

And for all R&D and home grown technology there are few things I want to say...

For any development and R&D you need either private industries or some good gov organization. Also in High Tech product development, failure is very integrated part. Now if you see in India we have DRDO (more than 20 Labs), ISRO, HAL,etc. and some matured private industries. These R&D organization have maintained some kind of transparancy what they are doing and that is why whole world knows about success and failure of these organization. They are always under scrutiny.

Now tell me which Pakistani organization has gone through such kind of scrutiny, at least I never heard any name at any pakistani forum too. Reason is simple they do not have any such kind of organization, nor they can build in near future due to lack of educational infrastructure, shattered economy and internal termoil. Every thing is smuggled and they are waisting few resources to show off the research.

What I can applaud for Pakistan is that, in last 60 years they are able to produce world class scientist from Post Graduate Madarsas and done massive R&D in these facilities. Congratulations!!!!!!!!!! Keep this going.........

Stop talking bs and bashing my country. Your attitude sucks and you're embarissing your own countrymen!

One more insulting post and you're gone!
Consider yourself warned!

Neo

 

[A.Rahman]

Mr peace lover's days here, are numbered; so guys lets stick to the topic