To Indians and followers of Hindu religion

[TenjikuKensei]

Not sure i agree with Vishnu being related to the Abrahamic religions but i can see how Manu and Noah flood story has very similar apsects.

Actually history/archeology provides a very good case aginst the existence of a man called Noah. The story of Noah is (no offence intended) an almost word-to word copy of Earlier Sumerian/Babylonian epics. Particularly the story of the Immortal man Utnapishtim(babylonian) from the Epic of Gilgamesh.(or the similar (considred to be the same story) of Zizudra(Sumerian)). And this story predates the story of Noah by 2000 years.

The actual story can be read here
THE FLOOD NARRATIVE FROM THE GILGAMESH EPIC

It has everything from the flood, the Gods advising utnapishtim to build an ark, and select pairs of every living being, and the incessant rain...even down the birds Utnapihstim lets out to check if the floods have abated.


The biblical Abraham was from the region formaly known as Sumeria, thus it is no surprise he/his people were influenced by the Sumerian/Babylonian stories and incorporated them into their later religion.


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In both the Genesis and Galgamesh stories:

#The Genesis story describes how mankind had become obnoxious to God; they were hopelessly sinful and wicked. In the Babylonian story, they were too numerous and noisy.

# The Gods (or God) decided to send a worldwide flood. This would drown men, women, children, babies and infants, as well as eliminate all of the land animals and birds.

#The Gods (or God) knew of one righteous man, Ut-Napishtim or Noah.

#The Gods (or God) ordered the hero to build a multi-story wooden ark (called a chest or box in the original Hebrew).

#The ark would be sealed with pitch.

#The ark would have with many internal compartments
# It would have a single door
# It would have at least one window.
# The ark was built and loaded with the hero, a few other humans, and samples from all species of other land animals.
#A great rain covered the land with water.
# The mountains were initially covered with water.
# The ark landed on a mountain in the Middle East.
#The hero sent out birds at regular intervals to find if any dry land was in the vicinity.
# The first two birds returned to the ark. The third bird apparently found dry land because it did not return.
# The hero and his family left the ark, ritually killed an animal, offered it as a sacrifice.
#God (or the Gods in the Epic of Gilgamesh) smelled the roasted meat of the sacrifice.
# The hero was blessed.
#The Babylonian gods seemed genuinely sorry for the genocide that they had created. The God of Noah appears to have regretted his actions as well, because he promised never to do it again.

And the epic of Gilgamesh(of which the flood story is but a small part) predates the Genesis by 2 Millenia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilgamesh_flood_myth

 

[TenjikuKensei]

When modern North west India and Pakistan was being invaded by Muslims, Empires like the Cholas wasnt being affected..

An interesting point to note is that the Chola Empire was the only South Asian Empire to have expanded into the South East Asian island nations. Its influence(as well as the Indian influence of SEA which started from around 3rd century BC) can be still seen today in those islands and the cultures of its people.

A little known fact is that the idli we southerners love so much was actually brought to India from Indonesia by returning soldiers/Indians during this time period.

 

[EjazR]

Yes..This is perhaps the best post in the thread..
Common Hindu/Musalman were never fighting for sake of religion..

Its not that religion/race was never used to bolster some conflicts but it was not the dominant theme.

Al Biruni himself laments about the brutal invasions of Mahmud of Ghazni and how that resulted in the decline in Indian sciences and hatred of the local people against them. Similarly Ashoka brutally annexed Kalinga (present day Orissa) where those tribals fought his army to the last man and woman.

The Mongols under Kubali Khan and Chingis Khan had accepted Buddhism and persecuted Muslims and other natives under their rule which had extended to large parts of Iran and Western India. And sacked and exterminated mainly muslim centres as far as Baghdad and Aleppo in Syria. Arghun Khan an adviser to Kublai even planned to annex Mecca and convert Kaaba into a Buddhist temple.

Much later, Aurangzeb executed Guru Tegh Bahadur as part of his effort to suppress the Punjab rebellions. And later when Punjabis and Sikhs were ascendant and after weakening the Mughals, a number of mosques were converted into Gurudwaras in the Punjab region particularly those that represented Mughal symbols. The most famous of which is the the Shaheed Ganj mosque built under the Mughals which I believe even now is still a Gurudwara.

But these were side themes in the overall theme of geopolitics on the sub-continent. By focusing on just this aspect and trying to come up with a mythical history of Hindu vs Muslim rivalry, people miss the big picture which is much more diverse and rich that binds different parts of the subcontinent together.

 

[Hulk]

I believe religion is used by people to play politics. It is the easiest tool to get people support for attaining personal goals that has nothing to do with people's well being.

Go for a war in the name of religion, the person who gains form victory is the ruler but he gets money, support etc from people who will gain nothing out of it.

 

[third eye]

For the sake of knowledge, want to know how you see thousand year of muslims rule over Sub-continent. Also the entry of Mohammad Bin Qasim in Sind. (Addressing only Hindu or Hindu religion follower is not kinda religious profiling, just to get the point of view)(please no bashing)

Without going into the duration and regions of India Islamic rulers controlled Muslim rule is generally seen in two ways .

One . An aberration that has been set right / needs to be set right.

Two . A part of the continuous amalgamation & mixing that formed a part of the sub continent. In the long run, it made little or no difference as Islam became a part of India as did Christianity, Zoroastrianism and so many other religions.

 

[afriend]

To indias credit.. and credit of the hindus, the onsalught of islamic rulers invation and their rule never led to the extinction of the religion, still it is supposed to be the majority religion followed by many in india. There where lot of oppression and conversion happening during that time. That tells the story. So in todays world when we see the intolerance of many religious extrimists, and sorry to say a majority of muslim followers(this is from my personal experience) i find they are too insecure about their religion. They just need to study their respective religion especially on how they survived years of oppression. Hindu religion can be a good example in regards to that.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

1000 years i dont know but with both its plus & minus points it was,is & will always be a part of the indian history having relatives who follow hinduism with respect though i am a muslim we both see it as with all indian historical events if it had some bad points like the looting killings etc which i condemn as was the case with most others back those days it also had its good points it gave india two sons the elder being hindus & the younger being muslims it also gave us one of the most beloved leader akbar the great ,like there was ashoka the great,raja chandra gupta maurya etc it also gave us delhi sultanat,tajmahal,urdu, a golden civilization , islamic arts and crafts ,literature,architecture etc along with hindu,buddhist,parsi,zoroastrian,christain etc culture it gave us a history to cherish it build the relationship of islam & muslims with india it became pact & parcel part of india like the british empire,like the hindu empires,buddhist empires etc it is part of the rich breed of indian civilization along with other civilizations with respect & is what makes india unique exquisite & beautiful it is Indian history,heritage & glory along with its richness it is Indian & thats what matters the most so anything indian yes we like it & see it as nothing less then beautiful be it muslim rule or hindu rule.

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[riCoh]

1000 years i dont know but with both its plus & minus points it was,is & will always be a part of the indian history having relatives who follow hinduism with respect though i am a muslim we both see it as with all indian historical events if it had some bad points like the looting killings etc which i condemn as was the case with most others back those days it also had its good points it gave india two sons the elder being hindus & the yunger being muslims it also gave us one of the most beloved leader akbar the great ,like there was ashoka the great,raja chandra gupta maurya etc it also gave us delhi sultanat,tajmahal,urdu, a golden civilization , islamic arts and crafts ,literature,architecture etc along with hindu,buddhist,parsi,zoroastrian,christain etc culture it gave us a history to cherish build it the relationship of islam & muslims with india it became pact & and parcel part of india like the british empire,like the hindu empires,buddhist empires etc it is part of the the rich breed of indian civilization and is Indian & thats what matters the most so anything indian yes we like it & see it as nothing less then beautiful be it muslim rule or hindu rule

regards

Excellent post.
No words to describe.

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Excellent post.
No words to describe.

thanks ricoh my pleasure

regards

 

[jbond197]

For the sake of knowledge, want to know how you see thousand year of muslims rule over Sub-continent. Also the entry of Mohammad Bin Qasim in Sind. (Addressing only Hindu or Hindu religion follower is not kinda religious profiling, just to get the point of view)(please no bashing)

As a Hindu, I see the Muslim rule of sub-continent as a part of Indian history nothing more. I think the real feeling about their rule would have been shared by Hindu/Buddhists who faced the invasions and rule. We the generation of today can only talk about things that has been passed on to us as part of our history syllabus which includes good as well as bad references but that is all about it.
Today, I care the least who ruled subcontinent 1000 years back rather like to live with the realities of today.

 

[jbond197]

genmirajborgza786, A gem of the post mate!

 

[genmirajborgza786]

genmirajborgza786, A gem of the post mate!

thanks jbond197 my pleasure

regards

 

[Bang Galore]

1000 years i dont know but with both its plus & minus points it was,is & will always be a part of the indian history having relatives who follow hinduism with respect though i am a muslim we both see it as with all indian historical events if it had some bad points like the looting killings etc which i condemn as was the case with most others back those days it also had its good points it gave india two sons the elder being hindus & the younger being muslims it also gave us one of the most beloved leader akbar the great ,like there was ashoka the great,raja chandra gupta maurya etc it also gave us delhi sultanat,tajmahal,urdu, a golden civilization , islamic arts and crafts ,literature,architecture etc along with hindu,buddhist,parsi,zoroastrian,christain etc culture it gave us a history to cherish it build the relationship of islam & muslims with india it became pact & and parcel part of india like the british empire,like the hindu empires,buddhist empires etc it is part of the rich breed of indian civilization along with other civilizations with respect & is what makes india unique exquisite & beautiful it is Indian history,heritage & glory along with its richness it is Indian & thats what matters the most so anything indian yes we like it & see it as nothing less then beautiful be it muslim rule or hindu rule.

regards

If there was a post to pretty much end the discussion, this surely was it.
A post to savour, one that should pretty much be the motto for all Indians, regardless of their religion.

Thank you Sir

 

[Hindustani]

I see invaders such as muhammad bin qasim, nadir shah, babur etc equivalent to modern day terrorists who wanted nothing more than to loot.
However those who actually stayed back (and I'm not justifying what they did) have done a good job in creating a mixture of Hindu and islamic culture, artifacts, art, painting, food etc. Nothing more

 

[genmirajborgza786]

If there was a post to pretty much end the discussion, this surely was it.
A post to savour, one that should pretty much be the motto for all Indians, regardless of their religion.

Thank you Sir

thank you sir a complement from you is in deed an honor .



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