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TechLahore said:The jews, sabians, christians and muslims at the very least...
Yeti said:The best king was Shivaji achieved the re-establishment of Maratha rule on their homeland
TechLahore said:India has certainly been under Muslim rule for > 1000 years, but not ALL of India has been ruled by Muslims for this period. Just wanted to clarify.
Cool, so I can change my ancestory if I convert
I'd go with Ranjit Singh, he closed the Khyber Pass
Parts of India (now in present day Pakistan) have been under Muslim rule for a long time
For the sake of knowledge, want to know how you see thousand year of muslims rule over Sub-continent. Also the entry of Mohammad Bin Qasim in Sind. (Addressing only Hindu or Hindu religion follower is not kinda religious profiling, just to get the point of view)(please no bashing)
You have to understand only time when Muslims ruled almost of the S. Asia was under the Mughals..
Right after it got to its peak, it crumbled under pressure from Marathas, Sikhs, etc..
When modern North west India and Pakistan was being invaded by Muslims, Empires like the Cholas wasnt being affected..
India has certainly been under Muslim rule for > 1000 years, but not ALL of India has been ruled by Muslims for this period. Just wanted to clarify.
What kind of "knowledge" are you trying to get?
It might sooth the ego of a few to say this was "Muslim" Rule and that the "Hindu" Marathas fought with the "Muslim Mughals".
The reality is that the average person Hindu or Muslim got hardly any benefit wether the King was Hindu or Muslim. While the Hindu Rajputs aligned with the Mughals. The Muslim Pathans and Punjabis (present day Pakistan) allied with the Sikhs initially to defeat the Mughals.
While in the south the Marathas took help of the migrated Pathan soldiers and former soldiers who left the Mughals. Out of the five corps that Shivaji had for example, one was led by a muslim General.
The last insult to the Mughals was eventually done by Nadir Shah of Persia when he came and sacked Delhi.
A more accurate description would be that Indian subcontinent from Central Asia to South Asia was very much like Europe. Its history saw a series of intercenine war and feuds and were all internal to the region. Just like attempts were made to unify Europe through war or otherwise by France and Germany, similar attempts were made by Guptas, Mughals and Mauryas. There were regional powers as well some of who like Cholas spread the influence Internationally. While others like the Marathas, Punjabis/Sikhs, Afghans e.t.c were able to become regional powers
It might suit some people's egos to talk about a mythical 1000 year Hindu Muslim clash of civilisations on the subcontinent but the reality is far from it. Ofcourse that will not stop from a section of Muslims and Hindus to not see that. They have a outlook that could best be described as two sides of the same coin.
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The first map about the Marathas doesn't seem accurate. The Marathas had allied with the Nizam of Hyderabad when resisting the Mughals.
At their height the Maratha empire which lasted around 30 years around this size looked like this
The Cholas empire started around 200BC and was all but finished by 1200AD. This was well before the Mughals and just at the beginning of the Delhi Sultanates. The map you have was at its peak around 1000AD.
What kind of "knowledge" are you trying to get?
It might sooth the ego of a few to say this was "Muslim" Rule and that the "Hindu" Marathas fought with the "Muslim Mughals".
The reality is that the average person Hindu or Muslim got hardly any benefit wether the King was Hindu or Muslim. While the Hindu Rajputs aligned with the Mughals. The Muslim Pathans and Punjabis (present day Pakistan) allied with the Sikhs initially to defeat the Mughals.
While in the south the Marathas took help of the migrated Pathan soldiers and former soldiers who left the Mughals. Out of the five corps that Shivaji had for example, one was led by a muslim General.
The last insult to the Mughals was eventually done by Nadir Shah of Persia when he came and sacked Delhi.
A more accurate description would be that Indian subcontinent from Central Asia to South Asia was very much like Europe. Its history saw a series of intercenine war and feuds and were all internal to the region. Just like attempts were made to unify Europe through war or otherwise by France and Germany, similar attempts were made by Guptas, Mughals and Mauryas. There were regional powers as well some of who like Cholas spread the influence Internationally. While others like the Marathas, Punjabis/Sikhs, Afghans e.t.c were able to become regional powers
It might suit some people's egos to talk about a mythical 1000 year Hindu Muslim clash of civilisations on the subcontinent but the reality is far from it. Ofcourse that will not stop from a section of Muslims and Hindus to not see that. They have a outlook that could best be described as two sides of the same coin.
---------- Post added at 03:42 PM ---------- Previous post was at 03:41 PM ----------
The first map about the Marathas doesn't seem accurate. The Marathas had allied with the Nizam of Hyderabad when resisting the Mughals.
At their height the Maratha empire which lasted around 30 years around this size looked like this
The Cholas empire started around 200BC and was all but finished by 1200AD. This was well before the Mughals and just at the beginning of the Delhi Sultanates. The map you have was at its peak around 1000AD.
The Cholas empire started around 200BC and was all but finished by 1200AD. This was well before the Mughals and just at the beginning of the Delhi Sultanates. The map you have was at its peak around 1000AD.
EjazR said:The last insult to the Mughals was eventually done by Nadir Shah of Persia when he came and sacked Delhi.
This has always been the sad history of the subcontinent, we all get involved in our internal battles, Mighty empires get destroyed. And then some two bit outsider comes to steal and plunder