TLP chief Saad Hussain Rizvi arrested in Lahore, Protests, and related

[Oruc]

Once we made a foolish decision and went for overkill in Islamabad and We paid dearly for it. I pray our decision makers not make the same mistake again.

 

[Norwegian]

My diagnosis is different on the subject. I my opinion religion should be from state given our particular. You once asked why other Muslim countries are not burning? That’s because all there Mosques, Ulama and so forth are part of state sanctioned structures. In our country every two bit person can build a mosque and start preaching as he wants. We have left this very powerful aspect of our society in complete autonomy giving rise to parallel system answerable to no one. While any every Muslim country that is worth being taken as an example this is not allowed.

In Islam, state is the authority on religion. We have delegated it to individuals and are reaping its results.

State religion is no solution as constitution of Pakistan gives complete freedom of religion to all Pakistanis except Ahmadis.

Once we made a foolish decision and went for overkill in Islamabad and We paid dearly for it. I pray our decision makers not make the same mistake again.

There was no overkill. Red Mosque terrorists abducted police officers just like TLP did in Lahore yesterday. Govt will restore writ of state regardless of desi liberal crying violation of human rights on the media.

 

[greenblooded]

My diagnosis is different on the subject. I my opinion religion should be from state given our particular. You once asked why other Muslim countries are not burning? That’s because all there Mosques, Ulama and so forth are part of state sanctioned structures. In our country every two bit person can build a mosque and start preaching as he wants. We have left this very powerful aspect of our society in complete autonomy giving rise to parallel system answerable to no one. While any every Muslim country that is worth being taken as an example this is not allowed.

agree pakistan biggest mistake as a state was privatizing islam.Pak was meant to be a islamic country and only state should be allowed to make any decisions regarding the country and its awam.Every year we see another sect being born with its own sets of belief.

 

[Bilal.]

State religion is no solution as constitution of Pakistan gives complete freedom of religion to all Pakistanis except Ahmadis.

State religion is already the reality and does not mean that it’s forced on everyone. It’s also the same case in many other countries of the Islamic world. But you should ask why only in our country these guys go on rampage after rampage. Because they are private organizations/individuals exercising control on something that’s supposed to be under state control like in all progressing Muslim countries.

Do you know, right from the beginning even the Jummah khutba was issued from the state. And what are we doing?

 

[Norwegian]

agree pakistan biggest mistake as a state was privatizing islam.Pak was meant to be a islamic country and only state should be allowed to make any decisions regarding the country and its awam.Every year we see another sect being born with its own sets of belief.

You can't have freedom of religion and then enforce state religion on everyone. Just like you can't have freedom of religion and then put ban on Ahmadis from calling themselves Muslims. Hypocrites everywhere.

 

[Verve]

Time is approaching fast that all sects should be permanently banned in Pakistan and only real Islam is recognised at State level. No one should be allowed to deviate and create their own versions in any way whatsoever.

Pakistan can't rise with these sects infecting the country!

 

[Norwegian]

State religion is already the reality and does not mean that it’s forced on everyone. It’s also the same case in many other countries of the Islamic world. But you should ask why only in our country these guys go on rampage after rampage. Because they are private organizations/individuals exercising control on something that’s supposed to be under state control like in all progressing Muslim countries.

Do you know, right from the beginning even the Jummah khutba was issued from the state. And what are we doing?

Pakistan is no Turkey or Indonesia. State religion requires an authoritarian state where state controls religion from the top down. So you can either have freedom of religion or state religion. You can't have both.

 

[Verve]

Just like you can't have freedom of religion and ban on Ahmadis from calling themselves Muslims.

Ahmadis are not Muslims. Jews would never accept Christians to call themselves Jews, despite Christians believing Hazrat Musa ES to be a prophet. Ahmadis took a new 'fake prophet' therefore it will never be acceptable they call themselves Muslim.

 

[Bilal.]

Pakistan is no Turkey or Indonesia. State religion requires an authoritarian state where state controls religion from the top down. So you can either have freedom of religion or state religion. You can't have both.

We are not them precisely for the reason. Since we have privatized the religion anyone with large enough following stands up and tries to enforce their view on state. Where as in Islam, right from the beginning the state is the source of religious authority.

 

[Norwegian]

only real Islam is recognised at State level

Newsflash: 1400 years and we still don't know what is real Islam

Ahmadis are not Muslims. Jews would never accept Christians to call themselves Jews, despite Christians believing Hazrat Musa ES to be a prophet. Ahmadis took a new 'fake prophet' therefore it will never be acceptable they call themselves Muslim.

So? What has state to do with it? Constitution says freedom of religion for all Pakistanis. Aren't Ahmadis Pakistanis? Why make an exception for them just because Muslim Pakistanis believe they are not Muslims. Hypocrites

 

[Verve]

Newsflash: 1400 years and we still don't know what is real Islam

We know real Islam, and there is no provision for any divisions/sects in Islam. No new or reincarnated prophets either in Islam.

 

[Bilal.]

The premise is simple. If you leave a vacuum, someone will fill it.

 

[Norwegian]

We are not them precisely for the reason. Since we have privatized the religion anyone with large enough following stands up and tries to enforce their view on state. Where as in Islam, right from the beginning the state is the source of religious authority.

Just for a thought experiment: if Pakistan was to adopt state religion, what would that be? Sunni or Shia Islam? Barelvi or Deo Bandi Islam? You can keep on going like this.

 

[Verve]

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ترجمہ:
{مولانا سید ابوالاعلی مودودی}
جن لوگوں نے اپنے دین کو ٹکڑے ٹکڑے کر دیا اور گروہ گروہ بن گئے یقیناً ان سے تمہارا کچھ واسطہ نہیں، ان کا معاملہ تو اللہ کے سپرد ہے، وہی ان کو بتائے گا کہ انہوں نے کیا کچھ کیا ہے

{Saheeh International}
Indeed, those who have divided their religion and become sects - you, [O Muhammad], are not [associated] with them in anything. Their affair is only
to Allah; then He will inform them about what they used to do.

{Abdullah Yusuf Ali}
As for those who divide their religion and break up into sects, thou hast no part in them in the least: their affair is with Allah: He will in the end tell them the truth of all that they did.

Just for a thought experiment: if Pakistan was to adopt state religion, what would that be? Sunni or Shia Islam? Barelvi or Deo Bandi Islam? You can keep on going like this.

None of the above!

Islam taught by Prophet SAW and learnt and practiced by Sahaba was none of the above.

 

[Norwegian]

We know real Islam, and there is no provision for any divisions/sects in Islam. No new or reincarnated prophets either in Islam.

Are you sure? If majority of Muslims agreed to this, there would not be Barelvis, Deo Bandis, Wahabis, Ismaelis, Twelvers etc etc. As I said before you can either have one state religion or complete freedom of religion. You can't have both.
Iran for example has Twelver Shia as state religion. All other religions are oppressed by state. Similarly Saudi Arabia has Wahabism as state religion. They too oppress all others. In Pakistan there is freedom of religion but Ahmadis are still oppressed.