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Time to wage war on TTP in Afghanistan?

So you guys should extend the same courtesy and allow Indian Armed Forces to hunt for JeM, LeT and other militants in their safe haven called Pakistan.

Would you be kind enough to allow us to send our men inside India to hunt Modi. Ajeet Doval, all RSS, VHP , Shiv Sena, basically all hindu terrorist organization and their head? They are OUR terrorists.
 
Why not attack TTP in Afghanistan?

We have been reading angry comments on the page since the BKU attack that the Pakistan Armed Forces are not responding against the terrorists who are residing in Afghanistan and are enjoying the hospitality of the Afghan security forces and its govt.

Let's make this one thing clear. Nothing and no one is too far from our reach in Afghanistan, we can launch a campaign inside Afghanistan to seek out and destroy these elements where they are. The military capability is present, so is willingness. The decision to start such a campaign lies with the people of Pakistan and the Govt.

The Military will do what the Govt asks them to do, if such a campaign is started, it will take years to complete and it will cost us financial resources and casualties of our soldiers. It will also create a situation where our right wing fundamentalists will start saying that Pakistan is bombing a 'fellow Muslim brotherly cousin country of Afghanistan'. They will simply overlook the fact that Afghanistan is sponsoring and facilitating the murder of Pakistani children.

Prime Minister has the authority to initiate such a campaign to seek out and destroy Taliban targets in Afghanistan. It will require for the Prime Minister and the people of Pakistan to resolutely support this campaign, morally and financially. It will also mean that the office of the PM would have to openly justify the use of force in Afghanistan and would have to own up to it.

When all of the above dynamics are in place there will be no place safe enough for any of the TTP bastards in Afghanistan nor those who are supporting them to carry out their murderous campaign.

Horus from team Pakistan Defence - SHARE/TAG

It is indeed the need of time right now for all of us to take necessary measures to counter the most threat which is causing us damage across the border. The seniors and experts are well aware of the situation so also knows how to deal with such threats. I will here share few things that I think should be done initially.

Cross the border Op
We have witnessed in past on several occasion that US, West and even India have gone for Ops across the border in the name of their own security or being attacked. This time, after all these incidents, it is indeed the moment for us to do whatsoever is necessary. Let us track the terrorist and we should hunt them down for our safety in future. On other hand, such op will cost us more than before in sense of Money, Int’l pressure by hidden facilitators, Internal Pressure by hidden traitors through campaigns to defame and most probably for the time being more incidents inside. We are already at war against terrorism inside our home so let us first finish the job by Op first and in the meantime enhance the security coordinates, intelligence sharing and civilian awareness. Hunting the leaders of terrorist wouldn’t be harder instead the mindset that we have to fight as well to nail down such cancer. All I fell is, we not only have to hunt each and every single of them but in the same time need to arrange civilian awareness to counter such mindset as well.


The op may need to be started on remote basis first like going via drones only. No need to step foot inside the land. Aerial strikers are most preferred for the moment rather putting man’s life in risk further. No doubt that our army has proven good enough in Zarb-e-Azb but this time it should be the Aerial maximum and by ground minimum with strategy to go in, do the job, come back by starting near border.


Following are few key reasons and steps that I think are needed to take initially inside.

1. Intelligence Sharing.

Intelligence is far most and the basic need of any kind of security for any nation. As we all know that we have a lot of intelligence agencies assigned with different jobs. However, I think there is a little gape of intelligence sharing or in other words it could be like communication gape. So to enhance the assurance of security, it is must for us to take a look of our internal intelligence sharing as well as the cleaning of culprits. We have witnessed in past that the worst yet result has been given by Police which is the first line of our defence internally. Time to call for cleaning process as well as to pullout the political influence from the departments. It is also noted that the most of percentage of Police and co departments are found corrupt in most cases and every Pakistani who lives here can understand. We have put every burden of security onto our Military forces and their intelligence agencies rather the internal job of security in cities and towns is purely tasked to Police and her intelligence. I don’t know whether how much it would be correct to say but there is lack of sharing of intelligence among our agencies. These communication gapes has caused delays otherwise the damage would be minimized. On other hand the building of trust issues are due to the corruption on lower end that few departments cannot be trusted fully so it is the area as well where need to work to firstly overcome these incidents.


2. Securing own house.
First of all going across the border, it is needed to secure the border immediately. It is needed that we should take necessary steps to secure our border first to avoid any foreign intrusion into our homeland. While having a strict check & balance at border area will help much for security inside. The Pashtoon belt in northern areas would be much helpful to help protect that long area by helping them to develop the area. No politician has ever gave a thought to that area hence resulted panic and hatred and become major hideout of these terrorist who not just used influence but also spread the wrong interpretation among people being uneducated so also played with the money game as well.


3. The Politician Plague
Unfortunately our political system is almost totally a fail. Our leaders are corrupted beyond the limits due to their love for luxuries and poised with ego of family politics in love of money. This is the time to arrange things to let the people know their true faces. By going direct onto them or shoot them is more damaging as these traitors will have a course to opt as “Political Shaheed” to gain their vote bank more than before. Our politicians have almost poised each & every department of establishment either by personal relations or it is the money & greed of luxuries. The example of only Police department is not far away especially in case of Karachi that the city is bleeding only just because of incompetence of this department so the Military has to come and take over. If everything from operation against terrorism to help flooded areas, from medical camps in remote areas to the arrangement of peaceful elections, from military courts to hang notorious criminals to the foreign diplomacy to highlight these terrorists, then why not the country be handed over to Military at all. But I know these liberal failed diplomacy lovers would oppose openly. These politicians are like plague for us so time to strengthen the accountability department to serve the justice without any influence.

As soon as our Military gains more trust of nation by taking few steps and some of those as I felt are mentioned above, the nation’s moral will be more high to vote for these sort of across the border ops. People will not just stand but so also will fully support every military action in belief. As long as we have so called leadership, they will use every of their resource to demonize the moral of Military and will cause defame to Pakistan by their own acts yet people will never understand being blind folded in love of their Siyasi Rehnuma.

Pakistan Zindabad
 
If it is believed that only those who have lost their young ones in APS and BKU incidents were effected then let me tell you, "No! It wasn't just the parents of the deceased, in fact, it has been the entire nation that was shocked".

They are time and again proving that Pakistan and Pakistanis are helpless in this situation.

It will take its toll and eventually Pakistanis will start feeling insecure within Pakistan. Can you realize what would be the aftermath of this??? Disloyalty in the subconscious of a common Pakistani!!! How??? Ask a psychologist.

I don't think any Pakistani demanding to strike back is talking about a full fledge operation against terrorists in Afghanistan. At least a counter strike would be an appropriate thing. How? Let me explain as to what is in my mind.

- Communication detected & Terrorist attack is executed in Pakistan
- PAF immediately reaches the location of communication (if necessary/ appropriate, strike).
- Surveillance through drones/ satellite could be carried out of that location

This will tell those buggers that they aren't sitting in safe heavens and that there shall be repercussions for the evil that they are doing to Pakistanis. No matter if even the communication is taking place from any Indian cultural centre near our borders; just destroy that location in counter strike!!!

Enough of dossiers have been exchanged and enough of evidences have been put up at different international forums
. Now it's time to act!!!

Sochi paya, banda gaya !!! :)
 
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I say get rid of ABDULLAH ABDULLAH half of india pro people u get rid of

What we did to them we saved their butts from soviets we regret should allowed these bastereds like abdullah and karzai sucked soviet cocks
You are more than welcome what you want to do but please think about the legacy you are carrying on your solders. You messed up at a wrong place at a wrong time to make few dollars. You fucked up a country for your strategic importance. Afghans are just returning the favor and May almighty help them considering what you did to them.
 
- Communication detected & Terrorist attack is executed in Pakistan
- PAF immediately reaches the location of communication (if necessary/ appropriate, strike).
- Surveillance through drones/ satellite could be carried out of that location

This will tell those buggers that they aren't sitting in safe heavens and that there shall be repercussions for the evil that they are doing to Pakistanis. No matter if even the communication is taking place from any Indian cultural centre near our borders; just destroy that location in counter strike!!!

Enough of dossiers have been exchanged and enough of evidences have been put up at different international forums
. Now it's time to act!!!

Sochi paya, banda gaya !!! :)
i highly doubt even alien have the technology and capability to execute your mission Sir.
 
If afghan Govt dosen't coperate then its time again to go old school, Give all out support Afghan taliban and help them takeover Kabul with support of Russia and china bcz the current northern alliance is always going to be anti Pakistan.
Also make afghan taliban and US sit together and guarantee that afghan taliban will not hit US interests, in this way every one will be happy and peace can be restored to afgaynistan.
actually Pakistan must block the entry route of rendistani bastards inside afganistan. and already afgan lower grade mercenary handlers in kabul did a lot of sins, they deserve heavy repay with extreme harshness
 
Why not attack TTP in Afghanistan?

We have been reading angry comments on the page since the BKU attack that the Pakistan Armed Forces are not responding against the terrorists who are residing in Afghanistan and are enjoying the hospitality of the Afghan security forces and its govt.

Let's make this one thing clear. Nothing and no one is too far from our reach in Afghanistan, we can launch a campaign inside Afghanistan to seek out and destroy these elements where they are. The military capability is present, so is willingness. The decision to start such a campaign lies with the people of Pakistan and the Govt.

The Military will do what the Govt asks them to do, if such a campaign is started, it will take years to complete and it will cost us financial resources and casualties of our soldiers. It will also create a situation where our right wing fundamentalists will start saying that Pakistan is bombing a 'fellow Muslim brotherly cousin country of Afghanistan'. They will simply overlook the fact that Afghanistan is sponsoring and facilitating the murder of Pakistani children.

Prime Minister has the authority to initiate such a campaign to seek out and destroy Taliban targets in Afghanistan. It will require for the Prime Minister and the people of Pakistan to resolutely support this campaign, morally and financially. It will also mean that the office of the PM would have to openly justify the use of force in Afghanistan and would have to own up to it.

When all of the above dynamics are in place there will be no place safe enough for any of the TTP bastards in Afghanistan nor those who are supporting them to carry out their murderous campaign.

Horus from team Pakistan Defence - SHARE/TAG
What an excuse to finding an easy way out? Put the reposnbility on PM's initative as if we have to engage in troops on ground

1. Why not hire the mercenaries in Afghanistan and make them pit against TTP?
2. Why not ask our "Mujahdeen Friend Talibans" in Afghanistan to take them out?
3. Why not send a troop of SSGs on a do or die mission against them? I am sure a lot of SSG soldiers would be willing to do that in wake of recent events
4. Drones can be the last resort.
 
Well, there's definitely no political will, across the board, to go after the ttp. Up until the very start of Zarb-e-Azb both pmln and IK wanted only dialogue with ttp.

But now, I fear that even the military doesn't have the will to start any kind of operation against them in Afghanistan. Reasons are aplenty. And there are a lot of variables to consider.

I personally think there are only two options left for us to do. 1. Seal the border completely, fence it, barb wire it, dig up moats and fill them will shards of glass and mines.

2. Launch covert operation against them and never talk about them in public. Pick them off one by one, these imps of the devil, and never own up to cross border raids.

Afghan govt will never help us to go after the ttp for they're in the pockets of the Indians and ttp their proxy. Pakistan won't launch a full fledged operation, we can only just better defend ourselves and launch some covert ops as an offensive measure.
 
i highly doubt even alien have the technology and capability to execute your mission Sir.
a man with minimum C4ISR related knowledge... and living in Pakistan

if pakistan needs to get rid off ttp then pak authority must hit ttp tops and their afgan handlers as well. just send assassins and kill them silently. no need to do surgcal strike, no drone strike, no black ops. just put ur own eyes and hands within them by means of the same rendians using to sack bastard afghanis.
 
We can handle this militarily and tactically but it will become a diplomatic and strategic disaster for Pakistan. Same analogy can be used by Indians to attack so called terrorist hideouts inside Pakistan.
Nevertheless a good topic to release frustration.
 
An open war on TTP hiding being provided shelter in Afghan is useless and would take too long. Need to have special ops go in, infiltrate their ranks and rip their lungs out. Much efficient, low profile, silent kills and then Pakistan can also keep repeating same mantra like a remix song "We reject any involvement!". But at the moment any blame that comes in with supporting evidences ranging from stupid to ultra stupid, our noora govt is like:
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@Horus

Why not just help Afghanistan and get rid of the Afghan Taliban, who the whole world knows, are holed up in you country?

Help Afghanistan destroy Afghan Taliban, and they ll make the TTP and other anti Pakistani elements go away? Surely that's the easiest and safest of the options?

It doesn't work like that.

Look at history; and look at their nature now.
These people are immune to civilization.
History is witness that when ever these people had a full stomach they marched east into the subcontinent.

more than a decade of ISAF / US forces couldn't fix their mentality and infighting; nothing else can help them.

Drugs, smuggling, extortion, crime supervision and gun running are the industries which are close to their hearts and nature.

Crime is to these people what agriculture is to a Punjabi.
 

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