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Time to forget Kashmir
By Yaqoob Khan Bangash
Published: July 4, 2011
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The writer is a historian at Keble College, University of Oxford


A few days ago, Indian Prime Minster Dr Manmohan Singh suggested that Pakistan should leave the Kashmir issue alone and focus on its own internal problems. This idea led to the usual protests in Pakistan. If we excise our pathological fear and dislike of anything Indian (at least officially), does this statement still seem outrageous?

Let me quote another politician. In a recent interview, Maulana Fazlur Rehman remarked on Kashmir: “Obviously, we are in favour of a political solution… Things have changed so much. Now the concept of wining Kashmir has taken a back seat to the urgency of saving Pakistan.” Does this comment sound better and sensible? Things have indeed changed a lot during the last 60 years and we need to take cognisance of the changed scenario and adjust accordingly.

Nearly 64 years ago, when Indian troops landed in Kashmir on October 27, 1947, Pakistan refused to accept the accession of Kashmir to India on grounds that the wishes of the people of the state had not been ascertained. This was certainly the rightful moral position. As a matter of fact, when India refused to accept the legal accession of Junagadh to Pakistan and occupied the state on November 9, 1947, Pakistan only resorted to indignant protests, as it knew that the vast majority of its Hindu population were eager to join India. Pakistan had obviously hoped that India would apply the same principle to Kashmir — something which both Nehru and Mountbatten promised to do.

However, our moral high ground is now leading us to political and economic suicide. It is a no-brainer that if Pakistan had not embarked on a costly confrontation with India over Kashmir, the military would not have been so strengthened as to take over the government four times. It is also no secret that if the conflict with India had not been present, we would have had no reason to spend over half of our budget on defence and that our country would have easily been a high middle-income country by now.

These historical reasons aside, now there are several more complicating factors. Pakistan is under a severe attack from terrorists almost every day, its economy is extremely shaky and its politics is corrupt, fractured and baseless. While accurate economic indicators are hard to obtain, it is clear that despite being practically a war zone since 1989, Indian Kashmir has managed a higher literacy, economic growth and per capita income rate than most of Pakistan. Thus, why would the Kashmiris want to join Pakistan now? What do we have to offer them any longer?

In 1947-8, Pakistan was a new country, full of ambition and striving to become a progressive homeland for the Muslims of South Asia. In that context, the Kashmiris naturally felt an affinity towards their Muslim brethren in Pakistan and wanted to join them. Since then, official Pakistan has time and again shown its contempt for diversity within the national polity and the East Pakistan, Baloch and anti-Pakhtunistan operations are a clear example of the state’s unwillingness to accept true provincial autonomy.

Therefore, unless we put our own house in order first, we should not harbour any grand ideas about attaining Indian Kashmir. It is ludicrous to hope to incorporate a large territory, with a different development trajectory over the last six decades, when parts of our own country are not under the government’s control, and when most people in Pakistan are worrying about its dire economic and security situation.

Moreover, if not for our sake, we should shelf our hawkish stance on Kashmir for the sake of the 140 million Indian Muslims. If the government is really concerned about the suffering Muslims of Kashmir, it should also care about the suffering of the millions of Muslims in India proper who are suffering (among other things) the suspicion being Muslim brings in a Hindu majority state due to the antagonistic attitude of Pakistan.

Kashmiris deserve their right of self-determination, but that should certainly not come at the cost of our own survival and not when all that we will be able to offer them is a failed state.

Published in The Express Tribune, July 5th, 2011.
 
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To say Pakistanis would ever be able to forget Kashmir is ridiculous. Forget the emotions tied into it, the politics of the country would never allow it to. Pakistan's richest families belong come from a Kashmiri background. The rich Punjabis you may have heard of also in large include a heavy Kashmiri ethnicity. Heck Nawaz Sharif is Kashmiri (so they have led the country as well).

Then there is the whole issue of Kashmiris wanting freedom. How can you ignore that? I have always preferred the notion of Pakistan and India both letting Kashmir go free as a new nation than Pakistan getting it. Since for us the most paramount thing is Kashmir's freedom.
 
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To say Pakistanis would ever be able to forget Kashmir is ridiculous. Forget the emotions tied into it, the politics of the country would never allow it to. Pakistan's richest families belong come from a Kashmiri background. The rich Punjabis you may have heard of also in large include a heavy Kashmiri ethnicity. Heck Nawaz Sharif is Kashmiri (so they have led the country as well).

Then there is the whole issue of Kashmiris wanting freedom. How can you ignore that? I have always preferred the notion of Pakistan and India both letting Kashmir go free as a new nation than Pakistan getting it. Since for us the most paramount thing is Kashmir's freedom.

Can't say about Pakistan but Indian Politics is not tied around Kashmir there is no or little discussion about it freedom in other parts of India its only fight against so called terrorists from Pakistan which would be definitely won by India.
 
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To say Pakistanis would ever be able to forget Kashmir is ridiculous. Forget the emotions tied into it, the politics of the country would never allow it to.
In his 1967 book Myth of Independence Z.A. Bhutto wrote that Pakistanis consider it "an article of faith" that Kashmiris want to be part of Pakistan. The words were chosen carefully because Z.A.B. had learned better: in the 1965 war Kashmiris called in Indian troops rather than join forces with Pakistani infiltrators. Pakistanis were never told that because, well, what Pakistani politician stoops to inform ordinary Pakistanis about the truth of distant affairs, foreign or domestic?

Then there is the whole issue of Kashmiris wanting freedom. How can you ignore that? I have always preferred the notion of Pakistan and India both letting Kashmir go free as a new nation than Pakistan getting it. Since for us the most paramount thing is Kashmir's freedom.
In the past the ISI has been accused of killing Kashmiris who support independence, rather than attachment with Pakistan. And the Wikileaks reports from captured Taliban in Guantanamo are of the ISI directing killings in Kashmir, not Indians: link
 
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In his 1967 book Myth of Independence Z.A. Bhutto wrote that Pakistanis consider it "an article of faith" that Kashmiris want to be part of Pakistan. The words were chosen carefully because Z.A.B. had learned better: in the 1965 war Kashmiris called in Indian troops rather than join forces with Pakistani infiltrators. Pakistanis were never told that because, well, what Pakistani politician stoops to inform ordinary Pakistanis about the truth of distant affairs, foreign or domestic?

In the past the ISI has been accused of killing Kashmiris who support independence, rather than attachment with Pakistan. And the Wikileaks reports from captured Taliban in Guantanamo are of the ISI directing killings in Kashmir, not Indians: link

(Forget Pakistan for a second) That would be an injustice to the Kashmiri people, considering the fact that 66% of all people from Jammu & Kashmir want independence from India. Pakistanis can forget about Kashmir all they want, but the Kashmiri people won't forget the atrocities they have to face from India.
 
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Well we can forget IOK for a day or two. Would that be enough???
 
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There is nothing to forget and leave just becuase some nut case reporter or people says so.... it takes two hands to clap and it takes two to tango simply when it is forgotten from the other side then we shall do the same as of right now despite our issues within Pakistan don't worry about us and what we are thinnking or not thinking leave that too us mind you own damn business period. :coffee:
 
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The author is a historian at Oxford and a Pakistani.

It doesn't matter who it is and where he from the lines i have written were meant just the way they are period you wouldn't understand its not your part of the world trust me there is alot more this issue for Pakistan and Indian then you could possibly imagine so just let it be.
 
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The author is a historian at Oxford and a Pakistani.

So, there are educated 9/11 truthers in this country as well, as well as many people that radically oppose the policies of the US establishment. Do we start taking their opinions as the Holy Word?
 
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So, there are educated 9/11ers in this country as well, as well as many people that radically oppose the policies of the US establishment. Do we start taking their opinions as the Holy Word?
The accusation was that the author is "some nut case reporter". Don't you think Mr. Bangash deserves a little more regard than that?
 
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...you wouldn't understand its not your part of the world trust me -
Sorry, but I have learned not to believe in Pakistanis who spew out "trust me" rather than cite sources, proofs, and arguments. That's because all too often the "trust me" phrase is used to cover up ignorance, faulty logic, or untruths.

That's sad, because I then have to discount Pakistanis' claimed personal experience. The advantage of such skepticism is that I can read a memoir like Benazir Bhutto's and discern the meat from the offal.
 
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Sorry, but I have learned not to believe in Pakistanis who spew out "trust me" rather than cite sources, proofs, and arguments. That's because all too often the "trust me" phrase is used to cover up ignorance, faulty logic, or untruths.

That's sad, because I then have to discount Pakistanis' claimed personal experience. The advantage of such skepticism is that I can read a memoir like Benazir Bhutto's and discern the meat from the offal.

And i don't trust you either and since you want to use the pharse / word PAKISTANI'S towards a whole nation and its people then what you think i trust you jews like you no i don't i didn't want to use that phrase out of respect but you left me no choice real class you showed there shame on you ... like i said my friend mind you own business this kashmir issue and that part of the world you know nothing about nor ever will so drop the subject and stop trolling go on a arab site to do that.
 
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And i don't trust you either
What does ANYONE have to trust me for? I provide links, proofs, citations, and arguments. What trust is necessary?

and since you want to use the pharse / word PAKISTANI'S towards a whole nation and its people -
Now you are just cowering behind your betters. There are plenty of Pakistanis who don't use the "trust me" phrase. I am not indicting a whole nation.

...you know nothing about nor ever will -
If you have some fact or insight that you can provide yet refrain from doing so, why am I to blame?
 
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