Time for BD to buy J-10CE?

[waz]

It is purely my assumption that BD is going for old stock rather than new jets based on past experience.

If you say that all trance 1 have not been upgraded, fair enough.

Basis of my assumption is that with F35s coming online RAF maybe seeking to reduce the Eurofighter inventory.

Well lets hope BAF is not here for the mothballed tornados......joking aside i wont put the jokers who run BAF past such a stunt....

No you guys will get something good inshallah, I've outlined my preferences. I'm looking forward to what you guys acquire and operate.
I think you will go American due to better costs, plenty of friendly nations operating their planes and generous scope in training.
European is too expensive and they tend to be flaky.
Chinese not so sure.

 

[sady]

Everything is too expensive for bd.


That’s a bunch of bull considering y’all could do jackshit after India removed article 370 and sent in more troops to silence Kashmiris


Lmao, why y’all then didn’t challenge China since 62?

No need to go into a hissy fit. It is what it is. Bangladesh needs to introspect fast rather than curling up and lashing out at messenger as you just did.

Making it Pakistan vs Bangladesh is useless.

 

[American Pakistani]

@UKBengali @Avicenna

Few questions,
Is India going to allow you guys get F16 as your govt is under heavy influence by them. Plus their dehati aurat stance where they bitch about any weapons their neighbors get.

Secondly what do you guys think is Bangladesh going so if India force Muslims into bangladesh.

That’s a bunch of bull considering y’all could do jackshit after India removed article 370 and sent in more troops to silence Kashmiris

Countries with a strong militaries don't just go to war for some nonsense status. China entered into Indian controlled territories every now and then, that's a bigger violation. Did you see them going to war?

Secondly pakistan position is clear that Kashmir is disputed territory, if we don't accept it as their territory, we don't accept their shit 370 garbage.

 

[bluesky]

I tend to believed the war is not immenient anywhere else besides mid east, defintely not India when they have thousand issues to solved than a conventional war with BD or Pak.

There are chances of war between India and Pakistan but I do not think something like that is imminent between Bangladesh and India. BD does not have any territorial issues with India. We should not plan our military buildup on the premise of enmity with India and ruin our prospect to build a country that can feed, shelter and clothe its people.

India can spend 10 Dollars if we spend 1, no match. However, if war is imposed, our people will do a guerrilla war. In 1971 we had no weapons except a few .303 rifles but people had strong mental strength and India helped us. Today, it is so different. We already have weapons and sources of weapons. There is no way, India can win against a people's war in our swampland.

Myanmar remains our only enemy and imminent threat. So, we have to plan on that premise and not on a fictitious Indian enmity that ruins our future.

 

[Avicenna]

@UKBengali @Avicenna

Few questions,
Is India going to allow you guys get F16 as your govt is under heavy influence by them. Plus their dehati aurat stance where they bitch about any weapons their neighbors get.

Secondly what do you guys think is Bangladesh going so if India force Muslims into bangladesh.



Countries with a strong militaries don't just go to war for some nonsense status. China entered into Indian controlled territories every now and then, that's a bigger violation. Did you see them going to war?

Secondly pakistan position is clear that Kashmir is disputed territory, if we don't accept it as their territory, we don't accept their shit 370 garbage.

Honestly, I don't know.

So many things that we here online don't know.

We know what a bit#h India can be.

We also know what a bit#h this Bangladeshi government can be in regards to Indian sensitivities.

In one respect, I'm disappointed by this BD government by their India appeasement.

And in another I do acknowledge and praise the general development under them.

And hold out hope that its appeasement with a purpose so to speak.

As to who is calling the shots and the power dynamics....no clue.

So, I don't know.

 

[Michael Corleone]

@UKBengali @Avicenna

Few questions,
Is India going to allow you guys get F16 as your govt is under heavy influence by them. Plus their dehati aurat stance where they bitch about any weapons their neighbors get.

Secondly what do you guys think is Bangladesh going so if India force Muslims into bangladesh.



Countries with a strong militaries don't just go to war for some nonsense status. China entered into Indian controlled territories every now and then, that's a bigger violation. Did you see them going to war?

Secondly pakistan position is clear that Kashmir is disputed territory, if we don't accept it as their territory, we don't accept their shit 370 garbage.

That’s where your argument fails, Pakistan made the bombs so it would deter India from war or misadventures in Kashmir, the bombs failed to achieve Pakistan’s objective and all its left with is crippling debt and a bad reputation in the world thanks to its military

No need to go into a hissy fit. It is what it is. Bangladesh needs to introspect fast rather than curling up and lashing out at messenger as you just did.

Making it Pakistan vs Bangladesh is useless.

Nobody is making it Pakistan vs Bangladesh, pakistan isn’t that important to discuss about in the topic in first place... if you thought so otherwise, it was stemming from your insecurities...

 

[Avicenna]

Aww being passive aggressive, must've picked this feminine trait up from your master too.

No femininity or passive aggressiveness here muffin.

Just measured words.

Also, if you have any shame or sense of introspection, you really ought to stop calling Bangladeshis or for that matter anyone else slaves.

 

[mb444]

@UKBengali @Avicenna

Few questions,
Is India going to allow you guys get F16 as your govt is under heavy influence by them. Plus their dehati aurat stance where they bitch about any weapons their neighbors get.

Secondly what do you guys think is Bangladesh going so if India force Muslims into bangladesh.



Countries with a strong militaries don't just go to war for some nonsense status. China entered into Indian controlled territories every now and then, that's a bigger violation. Did you see them going to war?

Secondly pakistan position is clear that Kashmir is disputed territory, if we don't accept it as their territory, we don't accept their shit 370 garbage.

India will moan but I fundamentally do not believe india has much of a say when it really comes down to it.

BD will make its descision and india will moan and then get on with it. The sub purchase is a case in point, they moaned and then accepted the facts on the ground. BN is proceeding with massive upgrade in its capability and more subs will join its fleet in short order.

BA purchased karisga and have now capability to hit many of the airfields near our border....no issue from india.

BDs best defense in controlling india lies in economic engagement and here BD has many a card to play....current trade I think has hit 10bn heavily in indias favour. Any issues that arises will put these in jepordy.

The current anti muslim policies will have a long term effect. It is a worry no doubt. I do not have a ready made answer for you. Depends on how it pans out.

It could have a catastrophic impact on BD but india will also reap what it sow. It will not be a one way thing. A flow of muslims to BD will likely to be matched with a flow of hindu BDs the other way. The common man on the street will decide how things pan out, BAL will not be able to contain the reaction.

The only thing I would say is that BD will accept muslims one way or another just as they have the rohingya. When it comes down to it BD is the safe haven for muslims and it will undertake its duty whatever the cost.

BD is inherently anti india and we have been fighting hindu quest for dominance for centuries. Do not judge BD purely on the basis on BAL procouncements which even they dont believe.

1971 was a civil war to establish BD rights. It was never about not wanting muslim sovereignty.

 

[UKBengali]

@UKBengali @Avicenna

Few questions,
Is India going to allow you guys get F16 as your govt is under heavy influence by them. Plus their dehati aurat stance where they bitch about any weapons their neighbors get.

Secondly what do you guys think is Bangladesh going so if India force Muslims into bangladesh.



Countries with a strong militaries don't just go to war for some nonsense status. China entered into Indian controlled territories every now and then, that's a bigger violation. Did you see them going to war?

Secondly pakistan position is clear that Kashmir is disputed territory, if we don't accept it as their territory, we don't accept their shit 370 garbage.

Well India will have zero say as US wants to sell F-16s to BD.
This is public from both governments and India dare not utter a single word against this.

As for the Indian Muslims, well India is not going to do a Myanmar and force them out.
I think the Indians are hoping that by making their life miserable then Muslims will leave for BD and BD will allow them in. Only time will tell what happens.

 

[sady]

That’s where your argument fails, Pakistan made the bombs so it would deter India from war or misadventures in Kashmir, the bombs failed to achieve Pakistan’s objective and all its left with is crippling debt and a bad reputation in the world thanks to its military


Nobody is making it Pakistan vs Bangladesh, pakistan isn’t that important to discuss about in the topic in first place... if you thought so otherwise, it was stemming from your insecurities...

Good luck mate. If they have similarly wired people calling shots in Dhaka. You guys need a lot of it.

 

[hussain0216]

There are chances of war between India and Pakistan but I do not think something like that is imminent between Bangladesh and India. BD does not have any territorial issues with India. We should not plan our military buildup on the premise of enmity with India and ruin our prospect to build a country that can feed, shelter and clothe its people.

India can spend 10 Dollars if we spend 1, no match. However, if war is imposed, our people will do a guerrilla war. In 1971 we had no weapons except a few .303 rifles but people had strong mental strength and India helped us. Today, it is so different. We already have weapons and sources of weapons. There is no way, India can win against a people's war in our swampland.

Myanmar remains our only enemy and imminent threat. So, we have to plan on that premise and not on a fictitious Indian enmity that ruins our future.

Can you hear yourself? Where did you learn your military tactics in a GI Joe comic?

In 71 Pakistan was based 1000 miles away and could not even supply it's forces and had exhausted it's supplies as the war went on

India is right NEXT DOOR, it is 1.4 billion indiots, with a big military
Whilst your hiding in the swamps waiting to jump out, they will bomb your population centers

That’s where your argument fails, Pakistan made the bombs so it would deter India from war or misadventures in Kashmir, the bombs failed to achieve Pakistan’s objective and all its left with is crippling debt and a bad reputation in the world thanks to its military

Who said the bombs failed, has India in 70 years been able to take Azad Kashmir? Even whilst being 7 times larger in population
Earlier in 2019, 45 Indian troops were blown to pieces
India couldn't even fake a bombing run to throw a bone to it's people telling them revenge had been obtained
Because Pakistani pressure ensured they missed their targets
Pakistani capabilities ensured we were able to militarily respond and hit multiple Indian military targets
Our planning and training ensured in the ensuing air combat Pakistan won the battle by shooting Indian planes out of the sky
To top it all off the Indians were so flustered they shot their own helicopter down killing 6 more Indian military personnel

THAT is planning and capability
And P.S the responsibility of your military is to do what's necessary to protect your country's interests not seek approval from the world, west or anybody else



Finally - It's too late for Bangladesh
Decades of stupidity have left Bangladesh far far behind
Even now these are just drawing board discussions
When Bangladesh finally makes a move it will be too late

 

[mb444]

Can you hear yourself? Where did you learn your military tactics in a GI Joe comic?

In 71 Pakistan was based 1000 miles away and could not even supply it's forces and had exhausted it's supplies as the war went on

India is right NEXT DOOR, it is 1.4 billion indiots, with a big military
Whilst your hiding in the swamps waiting to jump out, they will bomb your population centers




Who said the bombs failed, has India in 70 years been able to take Azad Kashmir? Even whilst being 7 times larger in population
Earlier in 2019, 45 Indian troops were blown to pieces
India couldn't even fake a bombing run to throw a bone to it's people telling them revenge had been obtained
Because Pakistani pressure ensured they missed their targets
Pakistani capabilities ensured we were able to militarily respond and hit multiple Indian military targets
Our planning and training ensured in the ensuing air combat Pakistan won the battle by shooting Indian planes out of the sky
To top it all off the Indians were so flustered they shot their own helicopter down killing 6 more Indian military personnel

THAT is planning and capability
And P.S the responsibility of your military is to do what's necessary to protect your country's interests not seek approval from the world, west or anybody else



Finally - It's too late for Bangladesh
Decades of stupidity have left Bangladesh far far behind
Even now these are just drawing board discussions
When Bangladesh finally makes a move it will be too late

BD started with not a lot at the point of independence. It has taken nearly 50 years to develop an economic base to build upon.

I would agree that BD should have paid greater importance to defense particularly the last 20 years but prior to that there simply was no such capability.

You do not realise the impact of partition that cut logistics and trade lines that existed before. It is only now that BD can say we have redeveloped all these and we are once again connected to the world.

In the case of pakistan that was not the case particularly westward. We also did not have anything like the afgan war where US poured money and resources into PK as part of the great game. BD was infamously pronounced as a basket case by Kissinger.

BD and PK scenario, challenges and opportunities are not the same.

India can not invade and hold BD. It can leverage its position and get certain benefit out of the current dictatorial regime. But regimes change.

Viewing BD via Pk-india lens is not appropriate.

I would agree that you do whatever is necessary for self defense irrespective of external reaction. However i am saying that in the comfort of my home in london, the view maybe materially different for BD policy makers who have to think about feeding an educating a nation of 165m.

BD experienced famine in the 70s and it is now fully self sufficient in food. Sometimes for countries like BD more immediate existential threat comes from inability to provide the basics to its citizenry rather than external threat. I provide this rational as the reason for BD following the path that it has.

 

[The Ronin]

In current situation J-10CE is the best option BAF have in terms of budget, armaments, infrastructure, training, adversary etc. It will be quicker to absorb and will face no political game in case of war against India, even against Myanmar if we have enough ammo-spares stored for enough time.

No, BAF won't buy Tejas, JL-9 or L-15 unless they are completely out of their mind. And military don't get influenced by India like our politicians. Pakistani people should stop saying the same thing in everything. Whatever fighter we buy, it won't be used to invade any country if they don't attack us first. American fighter is still good to defend us if aerial attack is launched in our airspace like Pakistan did.

I have still doubt about any western fighter as we don't have the infrastructure to support them currently. People are talking about pilot shortage so i don't understand how is this possible to achieve. Need an expert's opinion. EFT is not confirmed yet. Apache is only thing we are confirmed. No one actually made it clear which American fighter we are gonna buy. Even if something happens it will take long time to come and USA pulls strings more than anyone.

Another thing is this could be bluff. Take Kaplan tank or Russian aircraft for example. Their sources talked about negotiation and order but nothing happened. At end we might see the J-10 flying in BAF camo. Also notice what BD purchased and the amount of money they spent for each stuff. This gives an idea how far we can go. I will be happy if that change but current situation doesn't really give much hope.

 

[mb444]

J-10CE is the best option BAF have in terms of budget, armaments, infrastructure, training, adversary etc. It will be quicker to absorb and will face no political game in case of war against India, even against Myanmar if we have enough ammo-spares stored for enough time.

No, BAF won't buy Tejas, JL-9 or L-15 unless they are completely out of their mind. And military don't get influenced by India like our politicians. Pakistani people should stop saying the same thing in everything. Whatever fighter we buy, it won't be used to invade any country if they don't attack us first. American fighter is still good to defend us if aerial attack is launched in our airspace like Pakistan did.

I have still doubt about any western fighter as we don't have the infrastructure to support them currently. People are talking about pilot shortage so i don't understand how is this possible to achieve. Need an expert's opinion. EFT is not confirmed yet. Apache is only thing we are confirmed. No one actually made it clear which American fighter we are gonna buy. Even if something happens it will take long time to come and USA pulls strings more than anyone.

Another thing is this could be bluff. Take Kaplan tank or Russian aircraft for example. Their sources talked about negotiation and order but nothing happened. At end we might see the J-10 flying in BAF camo. Also notice the what BD purchased and the amount of money they spent. This gives an idea how far we can go. I will be happy if that change but current situation doesn't really give much hope.

J10 will come in time....only question is when.

Like you when it comes to BAF i maintain my overwhelming pessimism with an ernest hope that i am proven wrong.

 

[BanglarBagh]

None of Chinese junk is match to Mig 29 . Mirage 2000 , Jaguar darin 3 or Tejas. Forget about rafale.

LOL. What weed do u smoke to get this high? Or are you just drunk on cow piss? Chinese jumk?! Your teja teja is the absolute junk.....