Time for a quiet revolution in Bangladesh-Israeli relations

[Md Akmal]

Why are people so much fascinated by the radical views ???. Why can't BD be pragmatic in it's approach towards other nations. None of the so-called "Muslim Brothers" helped the people of BD in it's struggle against the atrocities being committed by the Pak army. Even after it's independence Arabs have never ever helped BD either in it's development or it's disputes with Myanmar. BD citizens are treated as 3rd class denizens in Arab countries. And how much did the Arabs doled out for the victims of various cyclones in BD starting from "Bhola cyclone".

All this talk of muslim brotherhood is nonsensical to say the least. Countries like Egypt, Jordan, Turkey take the pragmatic approach towards their relations with other countries. They are aware that the biggest adversaries of muslims are muslims themselves. Be it Saudi Arabia vowing for the blood of Iranians or Iraq attacking Kuwait or Pak playing games with lives of Afghanis or Sunni-Shia conflict around the muslim world. These so called muslims will never ever speak a word against the Chinese govt. when they are oppressing the muslims brutally in Xinxiang. Why ??? Because they see the Chinese money that will be used to buy their crude oil and/or the Chinese aid for strategic purposes.

Whatever that Israel is doing is wrong and maybe even brutal. But it knows well about how to exploit the fissures between these muslim nations to play them against each other. Israel can never ever be defeated. Those who dream of defeating Israel are either daydreaming or simply rambling. Some countries like Egypt, Jordan, Turkey recognized this and took this practical view to form diplomatic and/or military relations with Israel. BD would be stupid if it didn't recognize it soon enough and continued with it's 3rd grade treatement by the muslims. If it does continue to follow the present policy then it must also recognize the struggle of the Chinese muslims and have a stature in international politics. Till then it would simply be treated the way it is being treated, which is nothing to write about.

It's upto the people of BD to realize this and move towards forming better relations with Israelis. You never know how much helpful they could be in your disputes against Myanmar as well as in augmenting your strategic capabilities.

@ Who says that Saudi Arabia did not helped Bangladesh. At present we have 4 million workers serving in Saudi Arabia. Our whole power plant what we call East West link was financed by Saudi Arabia. Our all most all static military/air/navy installations were built and financed by Saudi Arabia.

@ It is true that Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries did not supported our freedom movement as because they never want that Pakistan as a big muslim country should break. Which was infact broken by your's instigation. Ours whole economy is standing on Saudi Arab and other Islamic footing. What we have, our large scale industries are gone, we have only now have the manpower and garment industries. Export/import business is finished long time ago. We have a little bit of tea and leather. Gas is finished, jute is finished, no power, no coal etc. Today we have come up from the rudimantory stage only with the help of Islamic countries. We also need Pakistani help. Pakistan is considered a good ally of all the Islamic countries. Pakistan is a neuclear holder.

@ About China, how can we criticise China being a small country. It is only Chinese help we can survive and we are getting all that help. "Ghora agar ghas se dosti kore fir chalega kaise".

@ We cannot go out from the Islamic country. You will see where we stand once we declare our country as a"Secure country". You will see how our labour market in Middle East will decrease drastically. You may survive we cannot. Neither we cannot survive alone taking the help of India. What you can help us nothing rather friendship with you will harm us. You will see, how it happens.

 

[Developereo]

It is a functioning democracy

Israel grants citizenship to every Jew on the planet. It denies non-Jewish Palestinians the right of return precisely because it would destroy the 'Jewish nature' of Israel.

That is not a real democracy if you carefully tailor your population based on religious discrimination.

why bother with things that do not concern you directly? Live and let live. I have no beef with the israelis, and therefore i am not going to swell up with "righteous anger" like bullfrog. I suggest you do the same. It makes your life easier and more productive.

Many people said the same thing about Nazi Germany.

India's military collaboration with Israel pales in comparison to Turkey.

That is something for the Turks to ponder.

Also since you're talking about constitutional religious freedom, Muslims are free to profess their religion in Israel, in contrast to Pakistan's all-weather where they are not allowed to attend prayer in mosques before 18. So is it considered to be Dar-ul-Harb or Dar-ul-Aman.

Pakistan does not automatically grant or deny citizenship based on religion. Israel does.

But you'd not bat an eyelid because for you the interest of your country comes first, just as Indians. So better we come down from the moral high ground and compare the contribution of State of Pakistan and State of India to Palestinians.

Unlike India, Pakistan has not underwritten the Israeli military machine. That's good enough for me.

 

[LaBong]

@ It is true that Saudi Arabia and other Muslim countries did not supported our freedom movement as because they never want that Pakistan as a big muslim country should break. Which was infact broken by your's instigation. Ours whole economy is standing on Saudi Arab and other Islamic footing. What we have, our large scale industries are gone, we have only now have the manpower and garment industries. Export/import business is finished long time ago. We have a little bit of tea and leather. Gas is finished, jute is finished, no power, no coal etc. Today we have come up from the rudimantory stage only with the help of Islamic countries. We also need Pakistani help. Pakistan is considered a good ally of all the Islamic countries. Pakistan is a neuclear holder.

Major trading partners (% of exports) 2007 United States (25.7), Germany (15.2), United Kingdom (9.5).

Major trading partners (% of imports) 2007 China (15.6), India (13.2), Kuwait (7.2).

UNdata | country profile | Bangladesh

 

[LaBong]

That is something for the Turks to ponder.

Why the double standard? In case turkey, it's the Turks to ponder and in case of India, "Palestinians are killed and subjugated by a military which is backed financially and technologically by India in some part"!

Pakistan does not automatically grant or deny citizenship based on religion. Israel does.

Israel is one of the two states in modern history which are created based on religion, other being Pakistan. So it seems Israel, unlike Pakistan, lived up to the promise they gave to Jews.

Unlike India, Pakistan has not underwritten the Israeli military machine. That's good enough for me.

And how does that change anything in reality?

 

[nForce]

Why BD passport is not valid in Israel???sorry if someone already answered that..did not go through the entire thread...

 

[LaBong]

Why BD passport is not valid in Israel???sorry if someone already answered that..did not go through the entire thread...

BD doesn't recognise Israel as a state.

By the way, how things are going at your end?

 

[Developereo]

Why the double standard? In case turkey, it's the Turks to ponder and in case of India, "Palestinians are killed and subjugated by a military which is backed financially and technologically by India in some part"!

I don't agree with any country supporting Israel, including Turkey. I only mentioned India because Indians defend Israel on PDF. Ultimately, it is India or Turkey's decision to form their foriegn policy. I am merely stating my opinion.

Israel is one of the two states in modern history which are created based on religion, other being Pakistan. So it seems Israel, unlike Pakistan, lived up to the promise they gave to Jews.

Pakistan did not forcibly expel non-Muslims from Pakistani territory.

It is unfortunate that all the Hindus and Muslims crossed the border both ways in 1947. I wish it hadn't had to happen.

And how does that change anything in reality?

It's good to know that we have remained firm on our principles, regardless of what others have done.

 

[desioptimist]

We dont sponsor israelis in doing what they do. Our defence ties are quite recent, mostly because they proved to be a supplyer who we can trust.
My only complain is, we do not seem to have any leverage(considering that we are a large buyer). I wish GoI uses the relationship to bring stability in ME and respect to palestanians.
If israelis are like nazis, then so are pakistanis, indians and bangladeshis. Our own record in human rights(wrt minorities) is quite poor.

 

[LaBong]

We dont sponsor israelis in doing what they do. Our defence ties are quite recent, mostly because they proved to be a supplyer who we can trust.
My only complain is, we do not seem to have any leverage(considering that we are a large buyer). I wish GoI uses the relationship to bring stability in ME and respect to palestanians.
If israelis are like nazis, then so are pakistanis, indians and bangladeshis. Our own record in human rights(wrt minorities) is quite poor.

Zikrur Rahman, the Indian representative to the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah, told the London-based Al-Haqeq newspaper on 12 May 2007: "When we recognised Israel and normalised relations with her, we did that after taking the approval of the Palestinian leadership; we said, after you agree we'll recognise [Israel] .... The Palestinian leadership told us: 'There are signed accords between us [and Israel] and we are now talking to the Israelis; your establishing relations with Israel helps us.'"

Palestinians apparently have no problem with India having relation with Israel. Which reminds me of a famous quip by Yaswant Sinha - "I don't think Palestinians are in any doubt about Indian policy. The problem arises only with those people inside India and outside India who are more Palestinian than the Palestinian themselves."

http://english.aljazeera.net/focus/2010/07/2010719123045648156.html

 

[nForce]

BD doesn't recognise Israel as a state.

By the way, how things are going at your end?

thank u for the info....everything s fine over here...just workload has increased a little bit..but thats okay

 

[eastwatch]

Zikrur Rahman, the Indian representative to the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah, told the London-based Al-Haqeq newspaper on 12 May 2007: "When we recognised Israel and normalised relations with her, we did that after taking the approval of the Palestinian leadership; we said, after you agree we'll recognise [Israel] .... The Palestinian leadership told us: 'There are signed accords between us [and Israel] and we are now talking to the Israelis; your establishing relations with Israel helps us.'"

Palestinians apparently have no problem with India having relation with Israel. Which reminds me of a famous quip by Yaswant Sinha - "I don't think Palestinians are in any doubt about Indian policy. The problem arises only with those people inside India and outside India who are more Palestinian than the Palestinian themselves."

India's Israeli-Arab tightrope walk - Focus - Al Jazeera English

Palestinians may not have any problem with Israel, although I doubt that, but we will have problem with Israel until that country stops resolving issues with the use of brute force and until it relinquishes the sovereighnty on our Al-Aqsa mosque to a muslim authority outside of Israel.

 

[500]

@ Israel is still not the member of UN.

Israel is member of UN since 1949.

Israel has always acted against Islamic countries since its existence.

What wrong did Israel to Bangladesh? Israel acted only against those who attacked it.

Israel is an illegal states created by UK, consented by USA and USSR in forties.

Its Pakistan was created by UK, not Israel.

Pakistan did not forcibly expel non-Muslims from Pakistani territory.

Yeah all those millions left in 1947 just for fun. Today only 1% of Pakistan's population are non Muslims. In Israel over 20% are Arabs. They have all rights and live far better than average Bangladeshi. Arabic if official language in Israel.

 

[bd_4_ever]

I have been following Imran Hosein's lectures for a long time...and by seeing all those replies here FOR Israel...i thought you guys might find this two videos interesting...!! Take some time and watch it...!

Off course, this will only make sense to people who have done previous research regarding this topic...!

YouTube - 9/11 and What the future holds for Muslims part 4

YouTube - 9/11 and What the future holds for Muslims part 5

 

[Al-zakir]

Yeah all those millions left in 1947 just for fun. Today only 1% of Pakistan's population are non Muslims. In Israel over 20% are Arabs. They have all rights and live far better than average Bangladeshi. Arabic if official language in Israel.

So nice of you sir. Will you be nice enough to return their land that was taken illegally by force from the people who saved you from the wrath of Romans.

 

[Skies]

How much role has Saudi Arab played for the freedom of Palestinians as the so-called leader of Muslim countries?