Time for a quiet revolution in Bangladesh-Israeli relations

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Instead of answering 500's Israeli propaganda, it is worth looking at a BBC documentary that shows interviews with British, Arab and Jewish authorities.
Some facts exposed in the documentary: Promises and Betrayals:

- During WW1, the British encouraged Arab tribes to rebel against the Ottomans, promising them a pan-Arab homeland.
- Behind the scenes, the British and French had decided to split up the Middle East between them into small kindgoms.
- Due to faulty intelligence, the British thought the Russian Bolsheviks were largely Jewish. To woo Bolshevik Russia, Britain decided to give Palestine to Jews.
- Following long laid Zionist plans, Jews started migrating to Palestine and buying out land legally and clandestinely.
- Jews were less than 3% of the population of Palestine in 1917 when the British signed the Balfour Declaration calling for a Jewish state in Palestine.
- While the Arabs put blind trust in the British, Jews were organizing all the apparatus of a future state, including police, army and government.
- It was Jews who started terrorism in the Middle East, first against the British civilians (for not migrating Jews fast enough) and then against Arabs.
- The chief of the Haganah himself admitted that they used terrorism against Arabs: "we wanted the Arabs to flee their homes at the slightest rumor that Jews were coming".
- Jews left Arab countries voluntarily for the same reason they left Russia and the West -- to go reclaim the promised land of Abraham.
- Israel is the only country in the world that decides citizenship based on religion. Any Jew anywhere in the world is automatically a citizen. Expelled Muslim and Christian Arabs cannot return to their home in Israel because it would dilute the "Jewish nature" of Israel.
- Elderly Jewish members of Israel's own Knesset have compared Israeli actions to Nazi germany's that they witnessed first-hand.

 

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Zikrur Rahman, the Indian representative to the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah, told the London-based Al-Haqeq newspaper on 12 May 2007: "When we recognised Israel and normalised relations with her, we did that after taking the approval of the Palestinian leadership; we said, after you agree we'll recognise [Israel] .... The Palestinian leadership told us: 'There are signed accords between us [and Israel] and we are now talking to the Israelis; your establishing relations with Israel helps us.'"

Palestinians apparently have no problem with India having relation with Israel. Which reminds me of a famous quip by Yaswant Sinha - "I don't think Palestinians are in any doubt about Indian policy. The problem arises only with those people inside India and outside India who are more Palestinian than the Palestinian themselves."

India's Israeli-Arab tightrope walk - Focus - Al Jazeera English

That's the tragedy of the Palestinians. Their own felliow Arabs are the worst traitors. From the Saudis and Kuwaitis to the corrupt PLO leadership.

 

[500]

They did not attacked but tried to get their land back which was occupied illegally and later was in process to give some people who had no relation with that land...

Nice try to justify aggression.

It is always a false perception... Even if we follow bible/torah we can see Prophet Abraham came from Ur which is present day northern Iraq ... so Abraham is also a arab...

You'r funny. Arabs did not exist then.

But do not forget this is the muslim which let jews people live in jerusalem and present day palestine/israel... up to 637 before muslim conquest of Jerusalem jews were banned from it...even during the time of crusade... this is the muslim who opened the gate of jerusalem for the jews ..

5 minutes ago u said Jews dont have relaton to thos land now u say they were in 637.

let the exiled jews from spain/potugal let live in their land ... otherwise they would be by force converted to Christianity...

Before that they were expeled from Muslim Spain. Many settled in Netherland, France etc.

N it is a reality that majority of the eastern european or russian jews are khazar jews... from kingdom of khazaria with red and blond hair and skin.. with blue eyes... so hardly you can say all this people has any connection with Israel... judaism is a religion not a race...

You dont have a clue what you are talking about. Khazars were Turks, not blond blue eyed. You read too mcuh conspirasy revisionist sites. Try to read some real history.

Are you not aware of the terrorism of the irgun, hagana and other terrorist jews organization.... and how they blew up king david hotel.. and massacred many palestanian villages???

First of all u divert. Seconldu Irgun and Hagana appeared after Arab massacres.

 

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British colonized this land just like everyone before them: Romans, Arabs, Fatimides, Seljuks, Crusiders, Ayubides, Mamluks, Ottomans etc..

There is a difference... British came here saying is the arab revolt against the ottoman turk... they would help to create a united arab states... this is a historical documented fact... but what happened through treacherous skype picot agreement is known to all...

So... in no way the colonialism.. of british is lelegal or ethical in any form... and in 20th or 21st century you can not equate it with anything with 9th 10th or 12th century....

On 15th century America was occupied by Spaniards and later by the european settlers by killing and wiping out the aboriginals... but hardly you can justify it for your treatment of palestanians or any other people... n even the way USA occupied southern states or 55% of mexico in mid 19th century ... hardly people will say on 20th/21st century was a legal thing and in these centuries it would be absolutely illegal...

British Mandate on Palestine included todays Jordan. Total polulation was about 2.2 million including 600 thousand Jews. Thats over 27%. According to partition plan Jews got some 13% of Palestine mandate.

So include jordan also and come to the term of one state solution... on the mandate it was said jews can settle in between that land but it did not say all the other local non jews people need to pack their bags and leave... or jews can illegally occupy other peoples land by force or demolish other peoples house... n 7% was the local jews... rest come here from euorope who did not have any connection with the land... n even British had to block the coming of 300000 European jews by boat...during WW2.

No one settled there for free. They bayed good money for worseless lands. Jews were third class citizens in Arab countries. Arabs in Israel live even better than in their countries.

In what ever way... european jews were permitted to do so to escape antisemitism of europe and the land was chosen by the jews themselves...

 

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- During WW1, the British encouraged Arab tribes to rebel against the Ottomans, promising them a pan-Arab homeland.

They made many different promises.

- Jews were less than 3% of the population of Palestine in 1917 when the British signed the Balfour Declaration calling for a Jewish state in Palestine.

Jews lived all over the world including many in Middle East. Jews eventually got some 0.1% of Middle East without any resources. Arabs got 99.9% including all resources. Without Brits they would be still Ottoman slaves. So Arabs are last ones who should complain.

- It was Jews who started terrorism in the Middle East, first against the British civilians (for not migrating Jews fast enough) and then against Arabs.

Where from u got that nonsense?

- Israel is the only country in the world that decides citizenship based on religion. Any Jew anywhere in the world is automatically a citizen. Expelled Muslim and Christian Arabs cannot return to their home in Israel because it would dilute the "Jewish nature" of Israel.

Not true. Over 20% of Israels citizens are non Jews. In Saudi Arabia not a single non Muslim can be a citizen. If Muslim converts he is stripped from cotizenship.

- Elderly Jewish members of Israel's own Knesset have compared Israeli actions to Nazi germany's that they witnessed first-hand.

Again not true.

 

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@500, girl I appreciate the fact that you are defending your so called country but the reality is this

Therefore stop that aggression first than justify your bullsh*ts.

 

[500]

There is a difference... British came here saying is the arab revolt against the ottoman turk... they would help to create a united arab states... this is a historical documented fact... but what happened through treacherous skype picot agreement is known to all...

They made different promices. All colonizers used some tricks.

So... in no way the colonialism.. of british is lelegal or ethical in any form... and in 20th or 21st century you can not equate it with anything with 9th 10th or 12th century....

yah i got your point. ARab colonization = good, non Arab = bad.

So include jordan also and come to the term of one state solution... on the mandate it was said jews can settle in between that land but it did not say all the other local non jews people need to pack their bags and leave... or jews can illegally occupy other peoples land by force or demolish other peoples house... n 7% was the local jews... rest come here from euorope who did not have any connection with the land... n even British had to block the coming of 300000 European jews by boat...during WW2.

Yep, Jordan is part of Palestine mandate . So Jews were 27% of mandate population and got 13% of its land.

In what ever way... european jews were permitted to do so to escape antisemitism of europe and the land was chosen by the jews themselves...

Many Arabs were alowed to settle here as well.

 

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Nice try to justify aggression.

Look at my previous post I said expulsion of local jews was not a good thing to do... but proclaiming illegally occupied land which was done through treachery... is not a bad thing... even mexico tried their best to protect and proclaim their occupied land...

You'r funny. Arabs did not exist then.

lol... then who was the present day arabs.. did they fall from the sky... n from when they have started to exist... but that was a real fact abraham was from present day Iraq... n people are arabs... so was abraham... If you want to give any other name it is also ok.. but genetic pattern is same as the arabs..

But to begin with it was also not the land of the jews people.. they are outsiders... On basis of that you can not claim any other proples land... for such claim people will say you mad and will laugh at you..

5 minutes ago u said Jews dont have relaton to thos land now u say they were in 637.

I refereed to the mostly european, eastern european and russian jews...

Before that they were expeled from Muslim Spain. Many settled in Netherland, France etc.

Hardly due to religious reason but for political reason... some group proclaimed that jews are doing conspiracy along the christian of enemy states to overthrow the muslim leaders...

You dont have a clue what you are talking about. Khazars were Turks, not blond blue eyed. You read too mcuh conspirasy revisionist sites. Try to read some real history.

I know about it.... The king of Kingdom of khazaria converted to judaism... just to remain neutral in between 2 big empire... christian eastern byzantine empire and islamic chaliphate... n later all of its inhabitants converted to judaism which can be traced looking at the grave and burial pattern from the later 8th century... but all the people were displaced after mongol invasion and destruction of kingdom of khazaria..."So what happened to all those jews people"...

Has a clue for you....

A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. found that among Ashkenazi Levites, who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews, the prevalence of Haplogroup R1a1 was over 50%. This haplogroup is uncommon in other Jewish groups, but found in high frequencies in eastern European populations. They argued that "it is likely that the event leading to a high frequency of R1a1 NRYs within the Ashkenazi Levites involved very few, and possibly only one, founding father." They postulated that one likely source of the gene was a "a founder(s) of non-Jewish European ancestry, whose descendents were able to assume Levite status", and that an alternate "attractive source would be the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class is thought to have converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century." They concluded that "Although neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."

First of all u divert. Seconldu Irgun and Hagana appeared after Arab massacres.

Same can be said about hamas, hezbullah or al qaeda is not it???

 

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Irgun and Hagana appeared after Arab massacres.

That is simply false. The BBC documentary shows that Haganah was formed very early on and was instrumental in terrorizing Arabs. The chief of the Haganh himself admits it.

Jews lived all over the world including many in Middle East. Jews eventually got some 0.1% of Middle East without any resources. Arabs got 99.9% including all resources. Without Brits they would be still Ottoman slaves. So Arabs are last ones who should complain.

Irrelevant. By that logic, some foreign power should come and conquery New York City by force since it is less than 0.1% of the continental United States.

Where from u got that nonsense?

From the BBC documentary. The Haganah chief admits on camera that they used terrorism as a policy to evict Arabs.

In Saudi Arabia not a single non Muslim can be a citizen. If Muslim converts he is stripped from cotizenship.

Saudi Arabia offers expat scientists citizenship - SciDev.Net

In a bid to solve Saudi Arabia's scientific workforce shortage, King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz has given the green light to a law allowing foreign researchers resident in the country to apply for Saudi citizenship
[...]
Al-Ajlan welcomed the Saudi government's decision, and said that Arab and Muslims scientists must be given a priority because they can integrate smoothly in the Saudi society.

Again not true.

Uproar as Israeli MP shows pity for Palestinian woman - The Scotsman

AN ISRAELI minister threw a cabinet session into uproar yesterday when he said footage of an elderly Palestinian woman sifting through the rubble of her house in Rafah Refugee Camp reminded him of his grandmother, who was a Holocaust victim.
Justice minister Yosef Lapid, head of the centrist Shinui party, did not explicitly mention the Holocaust in his remarks

 

[500]

Look at my previous post I said expulsion of local jews was not a good thing to do... but proclaiming illegally occupied land which was done through treachery... is not a bad thing... even mexico tried their best to protect and proclaim their occupied land...

Thats what I say: call other people illegal and u can commit aggression against them.

lol... then who was the present day arabs.. did they fall from the sky... n from when they have started to exist... but that was a real fact abraham was from present day Iraq... n people are arabs... so was abraham... If you want to give any other name it is also ok.. but genetic pattern is same as the arabs..

Term Arab can apply to two things: 1) those who come from Arabia 2) those who speak Arabic. Abraham was neither of it.

But to begin with it was also not the land of the jews people.. they are outsiders... On basis of that you can not claim any other proples land... for such claim people will say you mad and will laugh at you..

All people are outsiders and came from Africa.

I refereed to the mostly european, eastern european and russian jews...

They are same Jews like other.

Hardly due to religious reason but for political reason... some group proclaimed that jews are doing conspiracy along the christian of enemy states to overthrow the muslim leaders...

Again you and your conspiracies.

I know about it....

Awesome, then why you say that Khazars were blue eyed blond?

Has a clue for you....

A 2003 study of the Y-chromosome by Behar et al. found that among Ashkenazi Levites, who comprise approximately 4% of Ashkenazi Jews, the prevalence of Haplogroup R1a1 was over 50%. This haplogroup is uncommon in other Jewish groups, but found in high frequencies in eastern European populations. They argued that "it is likely that the event leading to a high frequency of R1a1 NRYs within the Ashkenazi Levites involved very few, and possibly only one, founding father." They postulated that one likely source of the gene was a "a founder(s) of non-Jewish European ancestry, whose descendents were able to assume Levite status", and that an alternate "attractive source would be the Khazarian Kingdom, whose ruling class is thought to have converted to Judaism in the 8th or 9th century." They concluded that "Although neither the NRY haplogroup composition of the majority of Ashkenazi Jews nor the microsatellite haplotype composition of the R1a1 haplogroup within Ashkenazi Levites is consistent with a major Khazar or other European origin, as has been speculated by some authors (Baron 1957; Dunlop 1967; Ben-Sasson 1976; Keys 1999), one cannot rule out the important contribution of a single or a few founders among contemporary Ashkenazi Levites."

Happlogroup R1A1 is most common in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Germany, Russia. Naturally that Jews who lived in these regions got some of it. So what?

Same can be said about hamas, hezbullah or al qaeda is not it???

You can say whatever u wish.

 

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They made different promices. All colonizers used some tricks.

By agreeing with it you are agreeing that British Mandate was declared based on treachery, lie and subversion... is not it???? In 20th and 21st century there is no justification of colonialism....

yah i got your point. ARab colonization = good, non Arab = bad.

from where you got the idea arab colonialism??? it was always arab land... but ruled different time by non arab leaders... even during muslims conquest all the local jews and muslims helped the muslims to get rid of the corrupt and oppressed byzantine ottoman empire...

Yep, Jordan is part of Palestine mandate . So Jews were 27% of mandate population and got 13% of its land.

There were never 27% of the jews during the time mandate... n non local jews are outsiders and can not be counted here... n which 13% of the land... does it permit to occupy other peoples land and home ....but this is the same thing that israel did...

Many Arabs were alowed to settle here as well.

???? This was arab land... they can settle any where they want and it was also part of a single country .... so what is the reason behind the fus.... but european or russian jews are outsiders.... if they are allowed it was generosity and courtesy of the muslim prople towards the jews..

 

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Irrelevant. By that logic, some foreign power should come and conquery New York City by force since it is less than 0.1% of the continental United States.

NYC is part of US state. There were not any states here. Lands of fromer Ottoman Empire were devided into new countries.

From the BBC documentary. The Haganah chief admits on camera that they used terrorism as a policy to evict Arabs.

Where from you got the idea that Jews started terror in Middle East?

Saudi Arabia offers expat scientists citizenship - SciDev.Net

So?

Uproar as Israeli MP shows pity for Palestinian woman - The Scotsman

Some woman reminded him his grandmom. Where from you get the idea about comparing actions?

 

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NYC is part of US state. There were not any states here. Lands of fromer Ottoman Empire were devided into new countries.

On the basis of what the arab countries were divided instead of creating an united arab states as was the promise of the british and french????

Same can be said about NYC... suppose russian came with a promise to give better opportunity the people of NYC... later they gave the land to china by saying china is over populated and we are ging only .1% of the total USA land... to what extant it would be justifiable???

 

[500]

from where you got the idea arab colonialism??? it was always arab land...

LOL.

On the basis of what the arab countries were divided instead of creating an united arab states as was the promise of the british and french????

There were no Arab countries. It was Ottoman Empire. Brits conquered its lands, and gave 99.9% to Arabs, including all resources. So Arabs now complain why they gave us only 99.9%? We want 100%.

 

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Thats what I say: call other people illegal and u can commit aggression against them.

I am not calling other people illegal but occupying other peoples land illegal.. according to UN occupation of Palestinian land beyond 1967 border including east jerusalem is illegal.... n it is accepted by all the country...

Term Arab can apply to two things: 1) those who come from Arabia 2) those who speak Arabic. Abraham was neither of it.

Abraham was from present day Iraq and people of iraq are mostly from arabiya and partly from persia... as when the arabian peninsula turned in to adesert couple oh thousand years ago people of that land came out of the desert and sattled in present day iraq and in surrounding area....


By denying Abraham arab in which category you want to keep him??? or you believe he is from some pure and super natural race???

All people are outsiders and came from Africa.

but none claim other peoples land saying we used to live here couple of thousand years ago... so tell me what can be done with usa, canada, and australia... removing all the settlers and give it back to aboriginal people only???

They are same Jews like other.

Yes but not semitic jews... do not forget there are 25% heredim lives in israel... n palestanian refugees has more right on the land then those haredim...

Happlogroup R1A1 is most common in Poland, Czechoslovakia, Germany, Russia. Naturally that Jews who lived in these regions got some of it. So what?

No nothing all of those jews are from pure semitic stock and all the people those who converted to judaism in kindom of khazaria just vanished in to sky...

You can say whatever u wish.

This is what you are doing ...