Ticonderoga, Arleigh Burke vs Slava, Sovremenny (or Udaloy)

[AUSTERLITZ]

Both AEGIS and the UK/French PAAMS are designed to counter "saturated attacks" of high performance, supersonic anti-ship missiles and aircraft. No Soviet missile would penetrate the defense systems of ANY AEGIS or PAAMS equipped warship.

I would put PAAMS slightly above AEGIS in terms of air-defense capabilities - however AEGIS will regain parity or even exceed PAAMs in the near future (upgrades etc).

Apart from AEGIS and PAAMS there is no other naval air-defense system that even comes close.

The Chinese type 052C and future 052D destroyers are equipped with advanced AESA multi-function radars and long-range SAMs to provide similar capabilities of Western AEGIS/PAAMS systems. But we can safely assume that the Chinese "AEGIS" is still inferior to the Western systems. The Indian Navy is also developing its own "AEGIS" system in the new P-15A (Kolkata-class) and P-15B destroyers. But again, like the Chinese system it is still inferior to Western AEGIS and PAAMS. Germany and the Netherlands have also developed their own "AEGIS" like systems.

The Russians as of yet have not developed any capable naval air defense systems and their fleet will still be vulnerable to anti-ship missiles like the Harpoon or Exocet.

The UK PAAMS is superior to the french/italian ones.
Btw our 'AEGIS' is actually based on a israeli western AESA radar too.

 

[Alienware]

its a very good system alright, but not invincible, if youre onboard a aegis ship and 10 or more asm comes for one aegis ship from different flight paths, you are virtually guaranteed to get hit by at least one.



from a technical stand point, the russians should be able to build one given that the 051c is based primarily on russian systems and even carrys the s-300 naval version. as for why they havent built any... i have no idea, money problems maybe?

Yes this is true. Only 2 of the 4 AEGIS illuminating dishes are active at anyone time -so by saturating one side, AEGIS will effectively be defenseless on the other. However on a 1v1 scenario this isn't likely to happen.

AEGIS will 9 times out of 10 be operating as part of a battle group and will be receiving third party targeting data. This would negate most of those limitations.

PAAMS on the other hand does not have the same limitations, both radars give a complete 360 degree coverage over a far longer distance than the AEGIS system. I remember a British documentary about 2 years ago where the Royal Navy were saying that the type 45 can target and engage 36 tracks in a few seconds while directly controlling up to 8 Aster missiles. If true, you would need substantially more than 10 missiles to saturate and defeat PAAMS. The system is even near impossible to jam!

AEGIS is indeed showing its age when compared to PAMMS on almost every level - but as I said before, AEGIS will likely regain parity or exceed PAAMS once stuff in the pipe line come into fruition.

As for the Russians, while they are masters in land-based air defense, transitioning that into a maritime system can be very tricky. Money is indeed the largest factor preventing the Russians.

 

[Alienware]

The UK PAAMS is superior to the french/italian ones.
Btw our 'AEGIS' is actually based on a israeli western AESA radar too.

AEGIS is technically a "PESA". So a AESA isn't necessarily a must. That being said AESA tend to have significant advantages over the former.

The Indian system for its P-15A and B destroyers isn't looking like a world class system like AEGIS or PAAMS if im honest. But it will still be highly capable in its air-defense role nonetheless.

Yes UK PAAMS is superior to the French version. But I would still put the French version above AEGIS.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

AEGIS is technically a "PESA". So a AESA isn't necessarily a must. That being said AESA tend to have significant advantages over the former.

The Indian system for its P-15A and B destroyers isn't looking like a world class system like AEGIS or PAAMS if im honest. But it will still be highly capable in its air-defense role nonetheless.

Yes UK PAAMS is superior to the French version. But I would still put the French version above AEGIS.

True we are not at that level yet.

 

[Super Falcon]

russian ddg better i think

 

[Nike]

Yes this is true. Only 2 of the 4 AEGIS illuminating dishes are active at anyone time -so by saturating one side, AEGIS will effectively be defenseless on the other. However on a 1v1 scenario this isn't likely to happen.

AEGIS will 9 times out of 10 be operating as part of a battle group and will be receiving third party targeting data. This would negate most of those limitations.

PAAMS on the other hand does not have the same limitations, both radars give a complete 360 degree coverage over a far longer distance than the AEGIS system. I remember a British documentary about 2 years ago where the Royal Navy were saying that the type 45 can target and engage 36 tracks in a few seconds while directly controlling up to 8 Aster missiles. If true, you would need substantially more than 10 missiles to saturate and defeat PAAMS. The system is even near impossible to jam!

AEGIS is indeed showing its age when compared to PAMMS on almost every level - but as I said before, AEGIS will likely regain parity or exceed PAAMS once stuff in the pipe line come into fruition.

As for the Russians, while they are masters in land-based air defense, transitioning that into a maritime system can be very tricky. Money is indeed the largest factor preventing the Russians.

Nope saturation attacks of likely 20 to 30 AShM like Onyx and Klub M will give a headache for any AAW Destroyer Captain

 

[Alienware]

Nope saturation attacks of likely 20 to 30 AShM like Onyx and Klub M will give a headache for any AAW Destroyer Captain

Yes but when is one AEGIS or PAAMS equipped destroyer (operating by itself) ever going to be saturated by 20 or 30 anti-ship missiles? Most navies around the world cannot even field more than ~20 anti-ship missiles in an entire task force anyway! So what you are suggesting is a scenario where a single AEGIS/PAAMS warship is going up against an entire task force!! A little bit unrealistic isn't it?

A typical US Navy carrier strike group is escorted by 1x Tico curiser and 2x Burke destroyers. That equates to only 24 anti-ship missiles (discounting anti-ship missiles fired by the carrier air-group).

 

[zon95]

Japanese Aegis destroyer and the "Chinese Aegis":

According Kanwa

Aegis destroyer Atago class of Japan.

Report "Youth Online" China has no posts that Aegis ships of the two countries China has strengths and weaknesses are different, but their actual role is to observe when placed in combat systems of the two water.
In recent years, the situation of China-made frigate they are bombastic "Chinese Aegis" the opinion states concerned. Moreover, Japan's neighbors have long warship equipped with the same features, some have argued that the naval race in East Asia are rapidly entering the "era of Aegis."
Considering that China and Japan owns "Aegis ship" with the highest number (outside the U.S.), recent documents "Kanwa Defense Review" conducted a comparative analysis of the two types Specifications warships this Chinese and Japanese.

"Chinese Aegis"

Report "Kanwa" said that at present, China Navy ships equipped with 4 "Chinese Aegis" 052Cs, in addition to the other two devices are assembled, 2 years to put into operation. At the same time, China accelerate the upgrade steps "Aegis ship", the ship platform 052Cs, Type 052D vessel development.
Dimensions appearance of new vessels increases, the stretch of water can reach 8,000-9,000 tons.

Destroyer "Chinese Aegis" Type 052Cs 171 Haikou number of South Sea Fleet, PLA Navy. "Kanwa" that ship Type 052Cs / D equipped with long-range anti-ship missile YJ-62 line, its range is said to reach 280 km, the altitude of about 30 meters before hitting the target will be lowered low down 7-10 m, 300 kg warhead, defense Forces Japan Sea is also an object.
Report "Kanwa" to emphasize the overall power of the Self-Defense Forces of Japan Sea has an advantage over the Chinese Navy, but they also acknowledge that the Chinese navy less progress has been made in the technology of the equipment strategic importance of the country, has greatly improved the capacity offensive campaign.

The core technology of the Japanese ships more complete

Despite praise for the "Aegis ship" China, but "Kanwa" has said that the class Aegis destroyer Kongo, Japanese Atago is likely more powerful air defense destroyers 052Cs / D China.

The article explains namely, Type 052Cs Chinese ships equipped with only 48-to-air missiles, aircraft, whereas 2 of "Aegis ship" with the number 6 in Japan, each with 90 launchers straight, the number of distinct distances.
In terms of features weapons, Chinese ships equipped with Type 052Cs HHQ-9 missile has a maximum range of 125 km, while Japanese ships using SM-2 missiles, US-made, has a range of 167 km, the rocket ship for no small amount of SM-3 that Japanese imports are likely to missile defense, "there are also significant gaps".

Also, talk to the phased array radar, Type 052Cs / D, "Kanwa" that this kind of advanced radar engineering theory, still can not compare with electronically scanned phased array radar active FCS-3 recently launched by Japan, at the same time, the size and weight of the radar funny China larger product of Japan, plus the height of the vessel architecture upstairs Type 052Cs / D (mounted radar) limit, the slightly lower radar installation site, will limit the distance and effective detection for ultra-low aerial targets, adversely affecting the ability to anti-ship missile attack sea surf.

In contrast, the SPY-1D phased array radar of "Aegis ship" Japanese Navy extensively used, perfect technology, detection distance 500 km and capable of tracking 200 targets "entirely sufficient for with the sea-air battle today. "
Words sum up the conclusions of the paper "Kanwa" is: Ship Type 052Cs / D China in addition has the advantage of a range of anti-ship missiles, other aspects such as air defense capability, the automation system, fleet coordination and speed are distance "Aegis ship" Japan.

China is developing Aegis destroyers 052D

Chinese newspaper said that although Canada has reported and analyzed to compare specific "Aegis ship" of China and Japan, but a combination of public information other shows, merely comparing the "Aegis ships' sides of phased array radar is not necessarily science.
According to the article, the main vessel of China and Japan have different strengths are actually related to the guiding ideology and the "position" of the two maritime forces.
The article narcissist but that the core technology of the ships of the same type - phased array radar, phased array radar level active electronically scanned Type of ship 052Cs / D China "definitely a step ahead," compared with "Aegis ship" Japan!

Although the dominant feature of the ship radar Type 052Cs / D is unclear, but considering that SPY-1 radar line of Japanese warships were developed to improve the relative phase, the space is not big upgrade next while the ship radar Type 052Cs / D was in the early stages of development, future prospects constantly making improved versions, features will continue to increase.
On the ship-to-air missiles, but the number of SM-3 missiles (US-made equipment for Japan ships) positive, but it is mainly used to deal ballistic missiles, essentially unusable when room the attacks of conventional anti-ship missile in war at sea.

In terms of sea control, observers have little doubt the advantages of "Aegis ship" China, suggesting that the two types of warships have "snapped" when using different: The mission of the "ship Aegis "clear and Japanese single, mainly the nucleus of the team room records, and" Aegis ship "China is more flexible use.
Japan benefited from the help of the U.S., the level of automation "Aegis ship" Japan is better than Chinese warships. But, The "Kanwa" not to mention a point is, the key technology of the Japanese ships controlled by the U.S., which is any upgrading works, improvement of the U.S. they must be agreed.

Also, Japan does not have full "chain" and assist the "Aegis ships' combat, such as early warning capability and long-range strike capability. In America's battle plan, Defense Forces Sea of ​​Japan is a support force nature, if they are separated from the support of American warfare systems, "Aegis ship" Japanese with limited completion can not change the role the military situation.
The "position" of different PLA Navy Japanese, so the problem does not exist on the base. The independence of the core technology is not dependent on the U.S. as Japan. So, when the upgrade technology and equipment, the PLA can finish basically rely on the power itself.

 

[zon95]

Type 051C The Russian-China Aegis

Introduction
"The Russian aegis":051CTypeChinese Navy guided missile destroyer is the second level of specialized have Phased array radar Air defense missile vertical launching system, the destroyer, known as the "China Russian aegis". The first ship launched in December 28, 2004. At present, the first ship has been delivered to the Chinese Navy, serving with Beihai fleet. Full load capacity of about 7100 tons, steam power, speed of 29 knots.
String:115 Shenyang No. , 051C Destroyer , Dalian Shipyard Construction.
116 Shijiazhuang No. , 051C Destroyer .

"The Russian Aegis": 051C missile destroyer
051C missile destroyer "the Russian Aegis" (115, 116 Shenyang, Shijiazhuang): the missile destroyer is The Chinese Navy Specially designed second levels to execute a sea formation air defense mission frigates.
The ship uses the modular design, the design thought and use and similar The United States of America DDG-51 Ali Burke Advanced manufacturing level, and put into use the Luhai (type 051B) destroyer ship size. Installation of Russian made S-300F/RIF- M (SA-N-6) shipboard air defense missile system and 30N6E phased array radar has become the biggest bright spot, the ships because of this, known as "Chinese Russian aegis". The ship would be equipped with 48 "reef" ship to air missiles, these missiles are arranged in 6 cylindrical "revolver" vertical launching unit, each transmitter unit ammunition 8. In the main gun bow before, in front of the bridge on the platform of the 2 transmission unit, 16 missiles; in the 4 transmission unit aft helicopter flight deck front structure similar to hangar installed more than 32 missiles under. This "the first light after" arrangement is very unique.

According to Canada "Kanwa defense intelligence", 2002, China From the Russia Imported 2 sets of improved "reef" M remote ship to air missile system for equipment 2 new aircraft design of air defense destroyer. The missile from the type 30N6E phased array radar guidance, can simultaneously control 12 missiles 6 targets. The missile system has been successfully developed as in The Soviet Union The Ocean Fleet area
The backbone of civil air defense equipment service domain, in 1980 after more than one large main surface ships, such as" Kirov "And" glorious "class large missile cruisers, and in practice proves its reliability and the combat and the original" Arleigh Burke class destroyers. "," Shenyang "Class destroyers, although a larger area of the flight deck at the stern, but no dedicated helicopter base, cannot carry and maintain the helicopter independent. In addition, long-range anti-ship missile launcher 2 flakvierling is arranged on the ship body, anti-ship missile launcher rather than the 4 seat flakvierling, outside estimates of the model should be and" Lanzhou "Anti-ship missile equipment.


"The Russian Aegis" first ship 115 ship at the end of year 2003 Dalian Shipbuilding industry started, launched in December 28, 2004, 2006, serving in the Beihai fleet Chinese naval fleet, bear the Beihai area air defense mission, to protect the capital Beijing And the safety of the surrounding areas.
Shenyang is the first level of destroyers, so the excessive grade was named the Shenyang class, and Guangzhou Stage, Lanzhou stage, Shenyang stage also built only two, the other one is Shijiazhuang No. (hull No. 116).
Early in the January 20, 2005 issue of the Canadian " Kanwa Asian defence "Report, China northern shipyard is The PLA The navy to build 2 ships "the Russian Aegis" 051C class large missile destroyers, the destroyer is likely to be equipped with Russian made of advanced RIF-M ship to air missile vertical launching system. "Kanwa Asian defence" called it "the Russian aegis".
Since then, overseas military media reported China Building in the field of naval surface ships has made significant progress in the. " Jane's Defence Weekly "Said the North China in the construction of the new air defense destroyer, may be the Chinese people's Liberation Army Navy as type 051C. The level of the first ship, was launched in December 28, 2004 1152006, number of official service. Destroyers are equipped with Russian made" Leaf "-M air defence missile system and 30N6E phased array radar.

Japan "Ship" the world writes: "the Russian Aegis" 051C are second special Chinese naval fleet air defense destroyer, the design concept similar to the United States of America DDG-51 Arleigh Burke class. Destroyers, a total of 48 SA-N-6 missiles loaded on large rotating vertical launch system (VLS). Differ China Construction Surface combat ships are usually equipped with 16 missiles, the new ship carrying 8 missiles. The hull shape similar to the 051B type (Luhai) guided missile destroyer, may the drainage volume is larger. Ship's exact power plant arrangement is unknown, but Ukraine Gas turbine manufacturing is one of the possible options.
A Russian blood Aegis

Foreign military Critic Pointed out, "the Russian Aegis" destroyers in the lead ship is model outfitting stage will assume the area air defense fleet China, the core of weapon equipment is Reeve -M air defense missile and 30N6E phased array radar. According to "Kanwa Asian defence" pointed out, China and Russia in 2002 April signed a $200000000 arms trade contract, the purchase of the 2 set of shipboard air defense missile system. Leaf has been in the Soviet Union / missile system Russia Navy for more than twenty years, proved to be the ability to provide defense against air targets efficiently. Equipped with built in all in 1980 after the Soviet / Russian cruiser. And also quoted Russia authoritative sources said, in order to export RIF-M to China, improvement plan the Russian Navy its impact. Mention Russia famous S-300 Air defense missile, almost no one I do not know. Reeve air defense missile system is the ship launched a ground-based S-300PMU (NATO code number SA-N-6 thunder), can be said to be a pair of Gemini My guy. This is a long-range air defence missile vertical launch system, first of all equipment in the The former Soviet Union Kirov cruiser With the Kirov, radar constitute the Soviet version of the "Aegis" air defense system. The basic type of the missile is 5V55/48N6, single stage solid rocket thrust, the length 7 meters, diameter 45 cm, a launch weight of 1480 kg, a range of 90 kilometers, a maximum height of 25000 meters, the maximum speed of about 4 to 5 Maher . The vertical launch technology, safety distance of 25 meters open engine, rate of about 30 to 40 m / s.. Similar to the way the United States Guidance standard -2 track guided TVM mode, the missile to the terminal began receiving radar guidance. The warhead type into fragments, 20000 fragments of 2 grams. According to Western speculation, has a certain Anti Ballistic Missile capability. Reeve -M ship to air missile system is the latest S-300PMU-1 shipborne missile, changed to 48N6E, engine thrust greater, increase the maximum speed of the missile range to 6 Maher, 120 kilometres away. A set of typical Reeve -M shipboard air defense system includes 1 target acquisition radar, 1 missile guidance radar and 8 transmitting unit (64 missiles). Fire control radar supporting Reeve -M shipboard air defense system is type 30N6E target acquisition radar phased array system, with strong anti-interference ability, can also lead 12 missile interceptors 6 degrees fan aerial targets within the 120.

"Kanwa Asian defence" also said, China was suspected to be the latest improved Reeve M. The length of 7.3 meters, diameter 51.5 cm, the warhead is heavier, the warhead is changed into 20000 4 gram fragment, a range of up to 150 kilometers. In addition to the missile performance outside, in the automation has also greatly improved, making the operation more convenient. More specifically, when open its radar, missile can also be "seen" airspace to the carrier, with short aerial service. And has certain Anti Ballistic Missile capability.
"The Russian Aegis" is an experimental ship

In "the Russian aegis" 051C destroyer The fighter was fully affirmed at the same time, the navy military critics that the 051C destroyer is still with a strong experimental. "Jane's Defence Weekly" think, China recently launched a series of new ships, but these many different types of ships of every type is generally not more than 2 vessels. The multi model approach indicated that a few of China's navy is still in the gradual introduction of digestion and absorption or new technology developed. As the military is limited, and the constraint of development of science and technology of China, the Chinese navy can not be equipped with world-class level of bulk vessels. Therefore, the Chinese Navy used small run, gradual improvement strategy. A new type of ship launching is charged with a certain amount of scientific research and experiments. In addition, China has always attached great importance to weapons and equipment in China, especially the important weapons and equipment. For China's current main warships -- destroyers, Navy naturally more inclined to the localization of high and advanced technology and equipment. But to digest new technology and absorption of the introduction of a period of time, while the Navy and the urgent need to enhance the combat effectiveness of the new ships to meet. There are many new Chinese navy ships in recent years on the service launched only a part of the new technology (not the same as each vessel), and mature and reliable equipment is still the dominant. This could explain the same period the Chinese navy ships in service is built and used different types of missiles and electronic equipment.

On the basis of the above analysis, "Jane's Defence Weekly" think, 051C air defense destroyer is a transition model more advanced Chinese naval ship built before the development of a regional air defense concept, verification, the new technology on one hand. Accumulated technology and experience for the future development of new anti-aircraft destroyer.

"The Russian Aegis" destroyers two disadvantages
The first: fire control radar supporting Reeve -M shipboard air defense system is type 30N6E target acquisition radar phased array system, with strong anti-interference ability, can also lead 12 missile interceptors 6 degrees fan aerial targets within the 120. This shows that he is not surrounded by phased array radar, does not have the solid defense capabilities, but sophisticated air defense system. And 052C Air defense destroyer compared to 170 ships, "air defense missile system, the glorious" class cruiser has 20 years of experience, is to improve the air defense system mature. 052C air defense destroyer 170 ship of the four phased array radar is not mature but is made in china. Even the Russians themselves say: "Su equipment logical policy is the monkey model of export of weapons," export weapons have been weakening......

Second: Missile too little. 115 ships with a great sacrifice, because the ship body is smaller, and Reeve -M of ship to air missile is too big, can't hold much missile, simply do not hangar, loaded with more space for the ship to air missile. Even so, because the space is too small, and did not have too many missiles. If the 170 ship hangar will sacrifice to load more ship to air missile.
The fleet of regional air defense significance
China's naval construction mileage from be poor and blank, through the purchase, imitation, independent design and construction phases, finally saw the scale. But at present our country equipment main destroyer is the first and the second generation destroyer, exist many problems, such as the small tonnage, the lack of effective means of air, anti submarine, already cannot satisfy the needs of future combat. The characteristics of modern warfare is the three-dimensional air battles, the Chinese Navy needs to have a strong operational capability of large naval ocean.

Overseas military commentators think the 051C construction and service marks the Chinese navy has made phased achievements. Reported that the Russian "independent military review", the Chinese navy is conducted for 50 years in 3 phases of the modernization program, eventually forming with pelagic combat capability of ocean going fleet. "Kanwa Asian defence", the operational area of the Chinese Navy, in the future a longer period of time, it will be The first island chain And along the island chain outside the coastal zone, and the chain within the The Yellow Sea , The East China Sea , The South China Sea Sea area. Along with the economic strength and the level of science and technology unceasing enhancement, the naval forces to further develop, operation sea area of China will gradually expand to the The Pacific Ocean The north to The second chain .
With increasing the scope of activities of the Chinese Navy, and shore based air defense barrier that can be played on the smaller, previously the Chinese warship building is common in air defense capability deficiencies (in addition to purchase from Russia The Sovremenny class destroyer The Chinese Navy surface ships, other basic only point air defence capability).

"The Russian Aegis" destroyers turned out, will become the Chinese Navy from offshore to a turning point in the open sea. Changes in their service will enable the Chinese Navy surface ship combat ability to generate a matter: the advanced "Chinese Aegis" long-range air defense system, can not only provide offshore operations, regional air defense capabilities required for the entire fleet, the vertical launching mode also makes the ability of anti saturation attack. Fleet air defense problem has long plagued the Chinese navy to the ocean, will be addressed in the "Chinese Russian Aegis" destroyers after service.

The parameter data
Drainage capacity: 6500 tons (standard), 7100 tons (Man Zai).
Host: 2 sets of domestic steam turbine, 49600 horsepower.
Speed: 29 knots.
Endurance: 6500 nm (at 15 knots).
Information weapon
Air defense missile: Russian made S-300F shipboard air defense missile improved, length 7.3 meters, diameter 51.5 cm, rate of fire of 6 Maher, a range of 150 km, vertical (VLS). Introduction of Shipborne S-300F "RIF-M" air defense missile system: each set consists of four eight unit with SA-N-6, ship to air missile, a 30N6E1 type "tombstone" search radar, "tombstone" radar can track 48 targets at the same time, guided missile 12 6 targets. "The RIF-M system of a missile model for 48N6E, a range of 150 kilometers (40 km range of the missile effective), Semi active radar guidance With the terminal TVM (modified by missile tracking), maximum speed of 6 Maher. Has the function of Anti Ballistic missile.
Anti missile radar: 30N6E phased array radar, can also lead 12 missile interceptors 6 degrees fan aerial targets within the 120. Anti-ship missile: 8 YJ-83. A range of 120 km, rate of fire of 0.9 Maher, bomb weighing 165 kilograms of naval gun: a single barrel 100 mm gun, maximum rate of fire of 90 rounds per minute. ( Qigihar China first heavy Manufacture.
In case: 2 sets of 730 recent anti gun (seven 30 mm), firing rate of 4600-5800 rounds / min.
Antisubmarine rocket: two quadruple mounts (CY-1) antisubmarine missile launcher, a range of 18 km.
Torpedo: 7224 - 3 joint anti submarine torpedo tube.
Foreign media reports
According to reports in Canada "Kanwa Asian defence", the news that 051C class missile destroyer equipped with RIF - M vertical launch surface to air missile, this set of air defense system is redesigned in assisting the Russian technology, the two sides also established joint coordination group. "Kanwa Asian defence" also pointed out, the ship hull number may be 115 guided missile destroyers, drainage volume loaded reached 7000 tons. "Kanwa Asian defence" think, this shows that China in the military field, shipbuilding, cooperation with Russia is becoming more and more obvious.
According to "Kanwa Asian defence" pointed out, 051C engineering Russia codenamed TEMA - 988. Mainland China In 2002, have two sets of RIF - M ship to air missile. Each set of RIF - M by a set of 48N6E ship to air missile, and a set of 30N6E1 target search radar which induced. And also quoted Russia authoritative sources said, in order to export the RIF - M system to the mainland, improvement plan, the Russian Navy itself affected. In the report, "Kanwa Asian defence" is the 051C class missile destroyer called "the Russian Aegis" missile destroyer.
But "Kanwa Asian defence" also pointed out that, the project layout judgment of phased array radar, 051C class missile destroyer is not the true sense of the "Aegis" JAegisK air defense destroyer, and is very likely to become more integrated combat capability of large destroyer, with special emphasis on air defense and anti submarine, the basic structure is modified from 051B The 167 Shenzhen missile destroyer .
"Kanwa Asian defence" pointed out, the real meaning of the "Aegis" destroyers air special, should be the Chinese navy is building. Type 052C Guided missile destroyer. Based on the experimental properties of strong, China decided to import technology is relatively mature RIF M vertical launch system, in the 052C fully formed before the fighting, rely on the 051C missile destroyer built more dependent on the sea long-range air defense network.
"Kanwa Asian defence" also revealed that the first 051C ship "the Russian Aegis" Destroyers have commenced at the end of 2003, second, "the Russian Aegis" destroyers will start. The forthcoming Canadian "Kanwa Asian defence" and also comments on the technical features of the 051C missile destroyer, and that the overall design of the ship is economic, practical.

 

[Black Eagle 90]

Type 051C The Russian-China Aegis

Introduction
"The Russian aegis":051CTypeChinese Navy guided missile destroyer is the second level of specialized have Phased array radar Air defense missile vertical launching system, the destroyer, known as the "China Russian aegis". The first ship launched in December 28, 2004. At present, the first ship has been delivered to the Chinese Navy, serving with Beihai fleet. Full load capacity of about 7100 tons, steam power, speed of 29 knots.
String:115 Shenyang No. , 051C Destroyer , Dalian Shipyard Construction.
116 Shijiazhuang No. , 051C Destroyer .

"The Russian Aegis": 051C missile destroyer
051C missile destroyer "the Russian Aegis" (115, 116 Shenyang, Shijiazhuang): the missile destroyer is The Chinese Navy Specially designed second levels to execute a sea formation air defense mission frigates.
The ship uses the modular design, the design thought and use and similar The United States of America DDG-51 Ali Burke Advanced manufacturing level, and put into use the Luhai (type 051B) destroyer ship size. Installation of Russian made S-300F/RIF- M (SA-N-6) shipboard air defense missile system and 30N6E phased array radar has become the biggest bright spot, the ships because of this, known as "Chinese Russian aegis". The ship would be equipped with 48 "reef" ship to air missiles, these missiles are arranged in 6 cylindrical "revolver" vertical launching unit, each transmitter unit ammunition 8. In the main gun bow before, in front of the bridge on the platform of the 2 transmission unit, 16 missiles; in the 4 transmission unit aft helicopter flight deck front structure similar to hangar installed more than 32 missiles under. This "the first light after" arrangement is very unique.

According to Canada "Kanwa defense intelligence", 2002, China From the Russia Imported 2 sets of improved "reef" M remote ship to air missile system for equipment 2 new aircraft design of air defense destroyer. The missile from the type 30N6E phased array radar guidance, can simultaneously control 12 missiles 6 targets. The missile system has been successfully developed as in The Soviet Union The Ocean Fleet area
The backbone of civil air defense equipment service domain, in 1980 after more than one large main surface ships, such as" Kirov "And" glorious "class large missile cruisers, and in practice proves its reliability and the combat and the original" Arleigh Burke class destroyers. "," Shenyang "Class destroyers, although a larger area of the flight deck at the stern, but no dedicated helicopter base, cannot carry and maintain the helicopter independent. In addition, long-range anti-ship missile launcher 2 flakvierling is arranged on the ship body, anti-ship missile launcher rather than the 4 seat flakvierling, outside estimates of the model should be and" Lanzhou "Anti-ship missile equipment.


"The Russian Aegis" first ship 115 ship at the end of year 2003 Dalian Shipbuilding industry started, launched in December 28, 2004, 2006, serving in the Beihai fleet Chinese naval fleet, bear the Beihai area air defense mission, to protect the capital Beijing And the safety of the surrounding areas.
Shenyang is the first level of destroyers, so the excessive grade was named the Shenyang class, and Guangzhou Stage, Lanzhou stage, Shenyang stage also built only two, the other one is Shijiazhuang No. (hull No. 116).
Early in the January 20, 2005 issue of the Canadian " Kanwa Asian defence "Report, China northern shipyard is The PLA The navy to build 2 ships "the Russian Aegis" 051C class large missile destroyers, the destroyer is likely to be equipped with Russian made of advanced RIF-M ship to air missile vertical launching system. "Kanwa Asian defence" called it "the Russian aegis".
Since then, overseas military media reported China Building in the field of naval surface ships has made significant progress in the. " Jane's Defence Weekly "Said the North China in the construction of the new air defense destroyer, may be the Chinese people's Liberation Army Navy as type 051C. The level of the first ship, was launched in December 28, 2004 1152006, number of official service. Destroyers are equipped with Russian made" Leaf "-M air defence missile system and 30N6E phased array radar.

Japan "Ship" the world writes: "the Russian Aegis" 051C are second special Chinese naval fleet air defense destroyer, the design concept similar to the United States of America DDG-51 Arleigh Burke class. Destroyers, a total of 48 SA-N-6 missiles loaded on large rotating vertical launch system (VLS). Differ China Construction Surface combat ships are usually equipped with 16 missiles, the new ship carrying 8 missiles. The hull shape similar to the 051B type (Luhai) guided missile destroyer, may the drainage volume is larger. Ship's exact power plant arrangement is unknown, but Ukraine Gas turbine manufacturing is one of the possible options.
A Russian blood Aegis

Foreign military Critic Pointed out, "the Russian Aegis" destroyers in the lead ship is model outfitting stage will assume the area air defense fleet China, the core of weapon equipment is Reeve -M air defense missile and 30N6E phased array radar. According to "Kanwa Asian defence" pointed out, China and Russia in 2002 April signed a $200000000 arms trade contract, the purchase of the 2 set of shipboard air defense missile system. Leaf has been in the Soviet Union / missile system Russia Navy for more than twenty years, proved to be the ability to provide defense against air targets efficiently. Equipped with built in all in 1980 after the Soviet / Russian cruiser. And also quoted Russia authoritative sources said, in order to export RIF-M to China, improvement plan the Russian Navy its impact. Mention Russia famous S-300 Air defense missile, almost no one I do not know. Reeve air defense missile system is the ship launched a ground-based S-300PMU (NATO code number SA-N-6 thunder), can be said to be a pair of Gemini My guy. This is a long-range air defence missile vertical launch system, first of all equipment in the The former Soviet Union Kirov cruiser With the Kirov, radar constitute the Soviet version of the "Aegis" air defense system. The basic type of the missile is 5V55/48N6, single stage solid rocket thrust, the length 7 meters, diameter 45 cm, a launch weight of 1480 kg, a range of 90 kilometers, a maximum height of 25000 meters, the maximum speed of about 4 to 5 Maher . The vertical launch technology, safety distance of 25 meters open engine, rate of about 30 to 40 m / s.. Similar to the way the United States Guidance standard -2 track guided TVM mode, the missile to the terminal began receiving radar guidance. The warhead type into fragments, 20000 fragments of 2 grams. According to Western speculation, has a certain Anti Ballistic Missile capability. Reeve -M ship to air missile system is the latest S-300PMU-1 shipborne missile, changed to 48N6E, engine thrust greater, increase the maximum speed of the missile range to 6 Maher, 120 kilometres away. A set of typical Reeve -M shipboard air defense system includes 1 target acquisition radar, 1 missile guidance radar and 8 transmitting unit (64 missiles). Fire control radar supporting Reeve -M shipboard air defense system is type 30N6E target acquisition radar phased array system, with strong anti-interference ability, can also lead 12 missile interceptors 6 degrees fan aerial targets within the 120.

"Kanwa Asian defence" also said, China was suspected to be the latest improved Reeve M. The length of 7.3 meters, diameter 51.5 cm, the warhead is heavier, the warhead is changed into 20000 4 gram fragment, a range of up to 150 kilometers. In addition to the missile performance outside, in the automation has also greatly improved, making the operation more convenient. More specifically, when open its radar, missile can also be "seen" airspace to the carrier, with short aerial service. And has certain Anti Ballistic Missile capability.
"The Russian Aegis" is an experimental ship

In "the Russian aegis" 051C destroyer The fighter was fully affirmed at the same time, the navy military critics that the 051C destroyer is still with a strong experimental. "Jane's Defence Weekly" think, China recently launched a series of new ships, but these many different types of ships of every type is generally not more than 2 vessels. The multi model approach indicated that a few of China's navy is still in the gradual introduction of digestion and absorption or new technology developed. As the military is limited, and the constraint of development of science and technology of China, the Chinese navy can not be equipped with world-class level of bulk vessels. Therefore, the Chinese Navy used small run, gradual improvement strategy. A new type of ship launching is charged with a certain amount of scientific research and experiments. In addition, China has always attached great importance to weapons and equipment in China, especially the important weapons and equipment. For China's current main warships -- destroyers, Navy naturally more inclined to the localization of high and advanced technology and equipment. But to digest new technology and absorption of the introduction of a period of time, while the Navy and the urgent need to enhance the combat effectiveness of the new ships to meet. There are many new Chinese navy ships in recent years on the service launched only a part of the new technology (not the same as each vessel), and mature and reliable equipment is still the dominant. This could explain the same period the Chinese navy ships in service is built and used different types of missiles and electronic equipment.

On the basis of the above analysis, "Jane's Defence Weekly" think, 051C air defense destroyer is a transition model more advanced Chinese naval ship built before the development of a regional air defense concept, verification, the new technology on one hand. Accumulated technology and experience for the future development of new anti-aircraft destroyer.

"The Russian Aegis" destroyers two disadvantages
The first: fire control radar supporting Reeve -M shipboard air defense system is type 30N6E target acquisition radar phased array system, with strong anti-interference ability, can also lead 12 missile interceptors 6 degrees fan aerial targets within the 120. This shows that he is not surrounded by phased array radar, does not have the solid defense capabilities, but sophisticated air defense system. And 052C Air defense destroyer compared to 170 ships, "air defense missile system, the glorious" class cruiser has 20 years of experience, is to improve the air defense system mature. 052C air defense destroyer 170 ship of the four phased array radar is not mature but is made in china. Even the Russians themselves say: "Su equipment logical policy is the monkey model of export of weapons," export weapons have been weakening......

Second: Missile too little. 115 ships with a great sacrifice, because the ship body is smaller, and Reeve -M of ship to air missile is too big, can't hold much missile, simply do not hangar, loaded with more space for the ship to air missile. Even so, because the space is too small, and did not have too many missiles. If the 170 ship hangar will sacrifice to load more ship to air missile.
The fleet of regional air defense significance
China's naval construction mileage from be poor and blank, through the purchase, imitation, independent design and construction phases, finally saw the scale. But at present our country equipment main destroyer is the first and the second generation destroyer, exist many problems, such as the small tonnage, the lack of effective means of air, anti submarine, already cannot satisfy the needs of future combat. The characteristics of modern warfare is the three-dimensional air battles, the Chinese Navy needs to have a strong operational capability of large naval ocean.

Overseas military commentators think the 051C construction and service marks the Chinese navy has made phased achievements. Reported that the Russian "independent military review", the Chinese navy is conducted for 50 years in 3 phases of the modernization program, eventually forming with pelagic combat capability of ocean going fleet. "Kanwa Asian defence", the operational area of the Chinese Navy, in the future a longer period of time, it will be The first island chain And along the island chain outside the coastal zone, and the chain within the The Yellow Sea , The East China Sea , The South China Sea Sea area. Along with the economic strength and the level of science and technology unceasing enhancement, the naval forces to further develop, operation sea area of China will gradually expand to the The Pacific Ocean The north to The second chain .
With increasing the scope of activities of the Chinese Navy, and shore based air defense barrier that can be played on the smaller, previously the Chinese warship building is common in air defense capability deficiencies (in addition to purchase from Russia The Sovremenny class destroyer The Chinese Navy surface ships, other basic only point air defence capability).

"The Russian Aegis" destroyers turned out, will become the Chinese Navy from offshore to a turning point in the open sea. Changes in their service will enable the Chinese Navy surface ship combat ability to generate a matter: the advanced "Chinese Aegis" long-range air defense system, can not only provide offshore operations, regional air defense capabilities required for the entire fleet, the vertical launching mode also makes the ability of anti saturation attack. Fleet air defense problem has long plagued the Chinese navy to the ocean, will be addressed in the "Chinese Russian Aegis" destroyers after service.

The parameter data
Drainage capacity: 6500 tons (standard), 7100 tons (Man Zai).
Host: 2 sets of domestic steam turbine, 49600 horsepower.
Speed: 29 knots.
Endurance: 6500 nm (at 15 knots).
Information weapon
Air defense missile: Russian made S-300F shipboard air defense missile improved, length 7.3 meters, diameter 51.5 cm, rate of fire of 6 Maher, a range of 150 km, vertical (VLS). Introduction of Shipborne S-300F "RIF-M" air defense missile system: each set consists of four eight unit with SA-N-6, ship to air missile, a 30N6E1 type "tombstone" search radar, "tombstone" radar can track 48 targets at the same time, guided missile 12 6 targets. "The RIF-M system of a missile model for 48N6E, a range of 150 kilometers (40 km range of the missile effective), Semi active radar guidance With the terminal TVM (modified by missile tracking), maximum speed of 6 Maher. Has the function of Anti Ballistic missile.
Anti missile radar: 30N6E phased array radar, can also lead 12 missile interceptors 6 degrees fan aerial targets within the 120. Anti-ship missile: 8 YJ-83. A range of 120 km, rate of fire of 0.9 Maher, bomb weighing 165 kilograms of naval gun: a single barrel 100 mm gun, maximum rate of fire of 90 rounds per minute. ( Qigihar China first heavy Manufacture.
In case: 2 sets of 730 recent anti gun (seven 30 mm), firing rate of 4600-5800 rounds / min.
Antisubmarine rocket: two quadruple mounts (CY-1) antisubmarine missile launcher, a range of 18 km.
Torpedo: 7224 - 3 joint anti submarine torpedo tube.
Foreign media reports
According to reports in Canada "Kanwa Asian defence", the news that 051C class missile destroyer equipped with RIF - M vertical launch surface to air missile, this set of air defense system is redesigned in assisting the Russian technology, the two sides also established joint coordination group. "Kanwa Asian defence" also pointed out, the ship hull number may be 115 guided missile destroyers, drainage volume loaded reached 7000 tons. "Kanwa Asian defence" think, this shows that China in the military field, shipbuilding, cooperation with Russia is becoming more and more obvious.
According to "Kanwa Asian defence" pointed out, 051C engineering Russia codenamed TEMA - 988. Mainland China In 2002, have two sets of RIF - M ship to air missile. Each set of RIF - M by a set of 48N6E ship to air missile, and a set of 30N6E1 target search radar which induced. And also quoted Russia authoritative sources said, in order to export the RIF - M system to the mainland, improvement plan, the Russian Navy itself affected. In the report, "Kanwa Asian defence" is the 051C class missile destroyer called "the Russian Aegis" missile destroyer.
But "Kanwa Asian defence" also pointed out that, the project layout judgment of phased array radar, 051C class missile destroyer is not the true sense of the "Aegis" JAegisK air defense destroyer, and is very likely to become more integrated combat capability of large destroyer, with special emphasis on air defense and anti submarine, the basic structure is modified from 051B The 167 Shenzhen missile destroyer .
"Kanwa Asian defence" pointed out, the real meaning of the "Aegis" destroyers air special, should be the Chinese navy is building. Type 052C Guided missile destroyer. Based on the experimental properties of strong, China decided to import technology is relatively mature RIF M vertical launch system, in the 052C fully formed before the fighting, rely on the 051C missile destroyer built more dependent on the sea long-range air defense network.
"Kanwa Asian defence" also revealed that the first 051C ship "the Russian Aegis" Destroyers have commenced at the end of 2003, second, "the Russian Aegis" destroyers will start. The forthcoming Canadian "Kanwa Asian defence" and also comments on the technical features of the 051C missile destroyer, and that the overall design of the ship is economic, practical.

But now China is building Type 052C and about 8 of them. Any other program from China???

 

[by78]

Btw our 'AEGIS' is actually based on a israeli western AESA radar too.

Your 'AEGIS' is the Israeli system. It's an off-the-shelf, wholesale purchase, if I'm not mistaken.

 

[AUSTERLITZ]

Your 'AEGIS' is the Israeli system. It's an off-the-shelf, wholesale purchase, if I'm not mistaken.

Yes,MF-STAR.

 

[by78]

Yes,MF-STAR.

Does DRDO have indigenous programs for developing shipborne censor packages and combat information systems? Could you provide some info. please?

 

[Fsjal]

russian ddg better i think

Not really. In terms of firepower, sure, but in terms of radars and fire controls, I would prefer American and Chinese. Also, Chinese destroyers are stealthy, reducing radar signature.

 

[American_Millenium]

russian ddg better i think

I hope you are trolling.... Sovremenny is crap... Udaloy is slightly better.... and the Kashin is complete junk...

The only thing the Ruskie Navy has going for it are their sub's, which are indeed of good quality.