Tiananmen Square Massacre (1989)

[sinait]

Calm down.

The events in the international geopolitics will play out as they do. What I think or you think will have a little impact on it.

However we can talk objectively about it.

Failed BRI projects will be the point of contention in the future.

All conflicts in BRI projects are to be arbitrated in China.

Some nation just may not agree to give up their infrastructure even if is the contract. China didn't care much about South China sea maritime ruling.
As things happen, whenever there is a conflict it just may invite a third party ( The West ) in the conflict.

The main difference between a BRI project and a project by world Bank is there are no political conditions attached to BRI. BRI projects have higher interest rates with longer payback terms.

Some nation just may not agree to give up their infrastructure even if is the contract.
China didn't care much about South China sea maritime ruling.

You answered it yourself.
Did China point a gun to have these contracts signed?
I wouldn't care much about a worthless KANGAROO COURT UNILATERAL ARBRITRARY RULING that is without China participation as well.
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[aziqbal]

Lucky for the US and all those resource rich STOLEN COLONIES, including South Africa of course, mostly never experienced famine.
Famine is common everywhere else, unless you are talking about the IMPERIALIST COLONIZER INDUCED FAMINE IN BENGAL.

Wow SO MUCH HATE FOR CHINA OOZING FROM YOU, even for their famines.

And why should you dispense a NEGATIVE to me to suggest that @fallstuff is COWARDLY in Business Risk and LACK OF INTEGRITY to advocate for nations to default on their obligations to infrastructure building agreements?
Any thoughts on this @waz
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that is a lie China is also exploiting resources from Africa and has been since the 1970s Africa railway

 

[waz]

that is a lie China is also exploiting resources from Africa and has been since the 1970s Africa railway

To date they haven't funded milita in Africa that went about slaughtering the elderly, raping women and kids and burning everything in sight down. Quite a few Western states have.
Now, regarding the deals, no one really wants to make risky investments. The Chinese are willing to hence the deals in Africa. Agreed some may not be on the best of terms, but this works both ways.

Lucky for the US and all those resource rich STOLEN COLONIES, including South Africa of course, mostly never experienced famine.
Famine is common everywhere else, unless you are talking about the IMPERIALIST COLONIZER INDUCED FAMINE IN BENGAL.

Wow SO MUCH HATE FOR CHINA OOZING FROM YOU, even for their famines.

And why should you dispense a NEGATIVE to me to suggest that @fallstuff is COWARDLY in Business Risk and LACK OF INTEGRITY to advocate for nations to default on their obligations to infrastructure building agreements?
Any thoughts on this @waz
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I respect you greatly comrade and of course @denel is also greatly respected, especially by myself.
I'll ask that you both stay true to the spirt of debate.

 

[Juggernaut_Flat_Plane_V8]

what set Tiananmen Square off

Nanjing anti-African protests - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[fallstuff]

You answered it yourself.
Did China point a gun to have these contracts signed?
I wouldn't care much about a worthless KANGAROO COURT UNILATERAL ARBRITRARY RULING that is without China participation as well.
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There's a world outside China.
In real world people even after they are given eviction notice, continue to remain in their property. Police are routinely called to evict people after judgment is issued. Some people do not return their cars if they fail to make car payments.

In international side Argentina in 2001 defaulted in $80 billion worth of external loans. It was in the end settled for $65 billion worth of bond. Sovereign debts are critical and sensitive issues.

BRI it's essentially about future expansions of Chinese interests and also find employment for Chinese citizens.

In Bangladesh we opposed a 500 million dollar loan from India because it appears that it only serves India's interest. That credit is supposed to improve roads that will only help travel between Indian seven sister States and West Bengal.

Similarly I think Nation should take on Chinese loan if it only serve their interest.

BY THE WAY CHINESE ARE ONLY TWO STEPS AWAY TO HOLD A GUN ON SOMEONE'S HEAD TO MAKE A DEAL. BRI SEEMS TO BE THAT IMPORTANT TO CHINA

 

[CAPRICORN-88]

Japanese and CPC relationship in wartime is a favorite topic to smear Mao. A lot of people portray Mao as a traitor eager to sell out Chinese war effort. In reality it was the other way round. The Japanese was desperate for a deal with CPC, being harassed 24x7 by guerillas.

At that time CPC cannot fight effectively. They were backwards in weapon. So their strategy was to buy up Japanese light arms with food.

You are responding to a troll who has on purpose due to his cognitive bias either choose does not understand the contemporary history of China and WW2 or reading Japanese Manga a his History textbook.

it was well known that many KMT generals who who were former warlords were in coercion with the Japanese during that era. This was obviously not an official policies of KMT leadership as many of their general were Anti-Japanese. So some of them stage a revolt. They kidnapped General KS Chiang and he was forced to sign a joint declaration at Xian Incidenc. Mao Tze Dong and General Chiang decided to a peace pact in order to drive out the Japanese invaders.
That spelled the end for Japan which started to lose almost every battle inside China leading to the lost of its established Industrial War Machinery Manufacturing base in North Eastern China. Japan having lost its teeth was unable to continue fighting and decide to surrender via a letter to Russian envoy to be forwarded to USA.
Japan did wanted to surrender to China fearing a Rape of Tokyo in retaliation of Rape of Nanking. But USA handed them a punitive Genocides at Hiroshima and Nagasaki instead. No Asian Nations were complaining because of they suffered atrocities at the hands of the Japanese invaders e. g. Young Filipino did nit knkw about the Massacre of Manila or how 30,000 Singaporeans were brutally murdered, many bayonet to death at Changi hospital in Singapore, etc etc

After Japan was defeated, both CPC Maoand KMT Chiang agreed that a joint CPC-KMT interim government headed with General Chiang as the President ruled China until an election was held.

But General Chiang's lieutenants on his side had other plan. They started assassinating the other probable candidates one by one resulting in many of them fleeing to Macau, Hong Kong and SEA.
The KMT leadership then demanded that Mao Tze Dong Red Army surrender their weapons which was turned down. That was how the civil war got started again.

There are more exciting stories...

But using half truth to distort Asia history is what these trolls does best. Hong Kong SAR government is rewriting its history books to replce those by Britain to reflect the truths as to how Hong Kong was forcifully colonialised by the Opium Trading British Empire.

if the USN did not interfered in China civil war by send their Aircraft Carrier to perform a naval blockage of Taiwan Strait, Taiwan would have been a part of China today.

BTW Japan won't even admit that Japan imperial Army kidnapped females of the streets in their occupied territories to serve as SEX SLAVE.
So how credulous is their stories or is it manga?

 

[Song Hong]

Actually most comfort women are very handsomely paid way beyond their colleagues working at home turf. After serving a few years at the front, they can go Tokyo and buy up valuable real estate.

Most enter this career on voluntary basis

I know many members will be angry when I said this.

Most army today still employed comfort women or equivalent. The USA army use lots of local brothels in Vietnam and Thailand.

In usa aircraft carrier, the low ranking female soldiers were all hyperfcuked. Group sex are common. Females have multiple partners. It is a clever way of deploying whore. These swing females are neither protected by well regulations of comfort stations nor are they well paid.

Females usa soldiers never really know what is really intended for them. Then they complain sexual abuse.

 

[sinait]

There's a world outside China.
In real world people even after they are given eviction notice, continue to remain in their property. Police are routinely called to evict people after judgment is issued. Some people do not return their cars if they fail to make car payments.

In international side Argentina in 2001 defaulted in $80 billion worth of external loans. It was in the end settled for $65 billion worth of bond. Sovereign debts are critical and sensitive issues.

BRI it's essentially about future expansions of Chinese interests and also find employment for Chinese citizens.

In Bangladesh we opposed a 500 million dollar loan from India because it appears that it only serves India's interest. That credit is supposed to improve roads that will only help travel between Indian seven sister States and West Bengal.

Similarly I think Nation should take on Chinese loan if it only serve their interest.

BY THE WAY CHINESE ARE ONLY TWO STEPS AWAY TO HOLD A GUN ON SOMEONE'S HEAD TO MAKE A DEAL. BRI SEEMS TO BE THAT IMPORTANT TO CHINA

Similarly I think Nation should take on Chinese loan if it only serve their interest.
BY THE WAY CHINESE ARE ONLY TWO STEPS AWAY TO HOLD A GUN ON SOMEONE'S HEAD TO MAKE A DEAL. BRI SEEMS TO BE THAT IMPORTANT TO CHINA

That means NADA, no gun to the head to sign DEAL.
So LONG WINDED.
If your NATION take on LOANS that don't serve their interest,
IT IS NONE OF MY BIZ.

Looks like you never tried getting a loan from the bank, especially for assets that are not readily convertible like a car or house and see how difficult it is.
There will certainly be a clause that will allow them to CONFISCATE YOUR COLLATERAL.
You should try and see if it is easy.

Considering the risk of bad loans, China is usually their LOWEST COST and BEST BET.
That is why Sri Lanka had to go back to China after maligning China about high interest rates and bad conditions.

BRAINWASHED COLONIZED with STOCKHOLM SYNDROME think it is easy to get LOANS from World Bank or the IMF.
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[CAPRICORN-88]

You answered it yourself.
Did China point a gun to have these contracts signed?
I wouldn't care much about a worthless KANGAROO COURT UNILATERAL ARBRITRARY RULING that is without China participation as well.
.

The International Arbitration Tribune is not part of UN as often and deliberately misquoted.

That is why China and other nations including Australia, South Korea has simply ignored it but to cite it as an international law by US and its allies is an intend to demonize China.
Facts:
UNCLOS is a maritime law and IAT whose Judges are all handpicked by Philippines, paid and fully sponsored by Philippines with only one party attending which is once again Philippines.
That is why its Judges dare not to rule that these islands belongs to China nor any nations. it merely state that these islands do not have the EEZ. But isn't that also applicable to Japan, USA islands e.g. Guam, etc as well. Why the sudden silent?

But ICJ of UN do have a ruling on Garcia Diego in the Indian Ocean that categorically stated that UK and USA has illegaly occupied the island. The ruling is enforceable unlike those of IAT.
Why don't USA just quit the island?

 

[fallstuff]

The International Arbitration Tribune is not part of UN as often and deliberately misquoted.

That is why China and other nations including Australia, South Korea has simply ignored it but to cite it as an international law by US and its allies is an intend to demonize China.
Facts:
UNCLOS is a maritime law and IAT whose Judges are all handpicked by Philippines, paid and fully sponsored by Philippines with only one party attending which is once again Philippines.
That is why its Judges dare not to rule that these islands belongs to China nor any nations. it merely state that these islands do not have the EEZ. But isn't that also applicable to Japan, USA islands e.g. Guam, etc as well. Why the sudden silent?

But ICJ of UN do have a ruling on Garcia Diego in the Indian Ocean that categorically stated that UK and USA has illegaly occupied the island. The ruling is enforceable unlike those of IAT.
Why don't USA just quit the island?

All BRI disputes are to be arbitrated in China, not in the countries where the projects are located.
In China, CCP = Government = Judiciary = Military

 

[sinait]

All BRI disputes are to be arbitrated in China, not in the countries where the projects are located.
In China, CCP = Government = Judiciary = Military

Not very familiar with BRI dispute arbitration but on casual checking it appears you are LYING.
Note: ICC is Internation Chamber of Commerce
SO MUCH HATE FOR CHINA OOZING, but no need to RESORT TO LIES.

Belt and Road Commission - ICC - International Chamber of Commerce

ICC created the Belt and Road Commission to focus on the dispute resolution needs of the full Belt and Road spectrum, particularly in China.

iccwbo.org

ICC created the Belt and Road Commission to drive the development of ICC’s existing procedures and infrastructure to support Belt and Road disputes.
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Belt and Road Initiative disputes – Bumps in the road?

An analysis of one of the largest infrastructure and investment projects in history.

www.nortonrosefulbright.com

Late 2017 saw CIETAC announcing the adoption of a set of special international investment arbitration rules aimed at promoting the effective and expeditious resolution of BRI related investor claims. The CIETAC Rules are innovative in the sense that cases will be heard by the newly established Investment Disputes Resolution Center in Beijing, and can also be referred to and administered by CIETAC’s Hong Kong Arbitration Center if the parties so wish. The rules further permit the use of third party funding which must be disclosed upfront to the counter-party, arbitrators and CIETAC.

Arbitration for BRI projects
By their very nature, BRI projects are complex, high-value, high-public interest, long-term, capital intensive, multi-party, multi-contract and crossborder. One of the key benefits of the arbitration process is its neutrality – it is separate from and largely independent of the local court system of the investee countries.

• Scrutiny
  The extent to which awards are scrutinised also varies significantly. Awards made by ICC arbitrators are scrutinised and approved by the ICC court to maintain consistency and a high standard of award-writing. Certain other institutions e.g. CIETAC also scrutinise awards. By contrast, the HKIAC and the SIAC do not scrutinise awards.

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[Leishangthem]

So, Commie f#@!s won't admit. They have a history of murdering people. They continue to do so. They will only share propaganda news sources e.g CGTN. They brush off neutral sources as western propaganda. Because Chaina is news as long as we show the world it's nice.

They will continue Ethnic cleansing of Uyghurs because they won't get along retarded atheists. They will continue to blame other for racism while being racist. They will torture innocents in their so called re education camps which is fancy term for concentration camps.

The irony of religious fanatics calling atheist R ,we see how contributing religious fanatic nations are to science and the state of their social stability and progress /
21st century and people still believe in imaginary bluff,no wonder those nations are lagging behind.

 

[fallstuff]

Not very familiar with BRI dispute arbitration but on casual checking it appears you are LYING.
Note: ICC is Internation Chamber of Commerce
SO MUCH HATE FOR CHINA OOZING, but no need to RESORT TO LIES.

Belt and Road Commission - ICC - International Chamber of Commerce

ICC created the Belt and Road Commission to focus on the dispute resolution needs of the full Belt and Road spectrum, particularly in China.

iccwbo.org

ICC created the Belt and Road Commission to drive the development of ICC’s existing procedures and infrastructure to support Belt and Road disputes.
.

Belt and Road Initiative disputes – Bumps in the road?

An analysis of one of the largest infrastructure and investment projects in history.

www.nortonrosefulbright.com

Late 2017 saw CIETAC announcing the adoption of a set of special international investment arbitration rules aimed at promoting the effective and expeditious resolution of BRI related investor claims. The CIETAC Rules are innovative in the sense that cases will be heard by the newly established Investment Disputes Resolution Center in Beijing, and can also be referred to and administered by CIETAC’s Hong Kong Arbitration Center if the parties so wish. The rules further permit the use of third party funding which must be disclosed upfront to the counter-party, arbitrators and CIETAC.

Arbitration for BRI projects
By their very nature, BRI projects are complex, high-value, high-public interest, long-term, capital intensive, multi-party, multi-contract and crossborder. One of the key benefits of the arbitration process is its neutrality – it is separate from and largely independent of the local court system of the investee countries.

• Scrutiny
  The extent to which awards are scrutinised also varies significantly. Awards made by ICC arbitrators are scrutinised and approved by the ICC court to maintain consistency and a high standard of award-writing. Certain other institutions e.g. CIETAC also scrutinise awards. By contrast, the HKIAC and the SIAC do not scrutinise awards.

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Wow, you are so naïve. The name ICC is misleading. It gives a false impression that it is an international body when it is not. The entire ICC commission is located in China possibly stacked with CCP agents. China locked up Jack Ma for no reason for months without an explanation . So it will be impossible for any nation to receive fair trial in this Chinese Kangaroo arbitration court. China is saying we have the capital, therefore we get to make all rules of engagement. In the end China is like any other manipulating capitalist nation ! Look at the pic below ,

I think China as usual just copy pasted World Bank agreements with some minor changes !

 

[sinait]

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[fallstuff]

Haha, BRAINWASHED COLONIZED with STOCKHOLM SYNDROME.

International DOES NOT NEED TO BE ESTABLISHED BY WHITE MASTERS ONLY to be considered INTERNATIONAL.
This is last time I waste any more time to reply you on this.
Don't BORROW FROM CHINA.
DO NOT LET CHINA BUILD FOR YOUR NATION, problem solved.

Belt and Road Initiative disputes – Bumps in the road?

An analysis of one of the largest infrastructure and investment projects in history.

www.nortonrosefulbright.com

Arbitration for BRI projects
The portability of arbitral awards is another major benefit. There are over 70 countries within the BRI, with only 5 countries being non-signatories to the New York Convention.
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BRI must embrace international arbitration to succeed - Christina Pak

The gigantic Belt and Road Initiative (BRI) has profound implications, and not just for the economies it will encompass.

www.adb.org

International arbitration is effective because it is built on trust, experience and data. Disputes are considered by an impartial tribunal. Decisions come in the form of an arbitral award enforceable in nearly 160 countries under the United Nations (UN) Convention on the Recognition and Enforcement of Foreign Arbitral Awards, known as the New York Convention.
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Yes, VERY SAD, for BRAINWASHED COLONIZED, only institutions set up by their WHITE MASTERS are LEGITIMATE for them.
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Consider this as your home work. Read my post, research it, and then get back to me .

I would like to think you are more than a two bit bot.

You do not understand arbitration at all or know next to nothing. Your knowledge is pretty much copy pasting. Arbitration is where the stronger capitalist side dictate the terms of conflict resolution to avoid standard judicial procedure.

It matters where arbitration is located. Since in China there is no line of difference between the CCP and the Government/Judiciary , China will win every arbitration with absolute certainty.

Remember to do your home work now !