the 1989 tiananmen square massacre - a myth and british disinfo op

[JSCh]

even india has that fact, but people here give 10 to 20 years of their life repaying the loan they took to build their house or buy a flat, and to make that money they become wage-slaves ( do jobs ).

can you give links for those two things??

Only about the government housing part.
FYI, report on what have been done on housing from 2007-2012.

Factbox: China's affordable housing achievements - Xinhua | English.news.cn
English.news.cn 2012-10-14 16:49:29

BEIJING, Oct. 14 (Xinhua) -- The government has stepped up efforts to construct affordable housing over the past five years in order to give more low-income households access to inexpensive housing amid the country's rapid urbanization process.

The following are facts and figures related to government-subsidized affordable housing projects over the past five years:

-- In 2007, the central government unveiled policies intended to solve housing problems for low-income urban households, allocating 7.7 billion yuan (1.22 billion U.S. dollars) for low-rent housing projects.

-- China started to build affordable housing units in 2008, aiming to house 20 percent of urban low-income families by the end of the 12th Five-Year Plan period (2011-2015).

-- In 2008, the central government spent 18.19 billion yuan to support affordable housing projects.

-- In 2009, the nation's total funding for affordable housing programs reached 55.06 billion yuan. The government also stepped up subsidy support for low-rent housing programs, especially in less-developed regions in west China.

-- In 2010, the central government earmarked 80.2 billion yuan from its budget to fuel the projects. Construction on 5.9 million affordable housing units began that year.

-- In early 2011, China vowed to build 36 million affordable housing units between 2011 and 2015.

-- In 2011, construction began on 10 million affordable housing units. By the end of the year, a total of 26.5 million households in cities had benefited from affordable housing projects, representing 11 percent of the country's total urban population.

-- In the first nine months of 2012, China started construction on 7.2 million affordable housing units, exceeding the annual target of 7 million units.

-- The construction of 4.8 million affordable housing units was completed within the first three quarters, closing in on the annual target of 5 million completed units.

Editor: znz

*****
And this year Chinese government session plan for 2015-2016.

China allocates 124b yuan to fund affordable housing program - China - Chinadaily.com.cn
(chinadaily.com.cn) Updated: 2015-05-20 16:12

BEIJING -- Chinese central government allocated 124.3 billion yuan ($20.2 billion) in 2015 to fund an affordable housing program to improve people's livelihood and spur economic growth, the Ministry of Finance said on Wednesday.

The money will be used as rent subsidies for low-income families, to fund public rental housing and renovation of shanty towns, according to the ministry.

The affordable housing program, which was approved in 1999, is designed to provide cheaper housing to low-income families who cannot afford to buy a home in cities, where real estate prices skyrocketed over the past years.

Over the past four years, more than 20 million affordable houses were completed across the country, with 12 million under construction, and the assistance fund for building the houses has reached 710 billion yuan, according to the Ministry of Housing and Urban-rural Development.

China has set goals to construct 36 million affordable houses between the start of 2011 and the end of 2015.

 

[jamahir]

Only about the government housing part.
FYI, report on what have been done on housing from 2007-2012.

Factbox: China's affordable housing achievements - Xinhua | English.news.cn
English.news.cn 2012-10-14 16:49:29

BEIJING, Oct. 14 (Xinhua) -- The government has stepped up efforts to construct affordable housing over the past five years in order to give more low-income households access to inexpensive housing amid the country's rapid urbanization process.

The following are facts and figures related to government-subsidized affordable housing projects over the past five years:

-- In 2007, the central government unveiled policies intended to solve housing problems for low-income urban households, allocating 7.7 billion yuan (1.22 billion U.S. dollars) for low-rent housing projects.

-- China started to build affordable housing units in 2008, aiming to house 20 percent of urban low-income families by the end of the 12th Five-Year Plan period (2011-2015).

-- In 2008, the central government spent 18.19 billion yuan to support affordable housing projects.

-- In 2009, the nation's total funding for affordable housing programs reached 55.06 billion yuan. The government also stepped up subsidy support for low-rent housing programs, especially in less-developed regions in west China.

-- In 2010, the central government earmarked 80.2 billion yuan from its budget to fuel the projects. Construction on 5.9 million affordable housing units began that year.

-- In early 2011, China vowed to build 36 million affordable housing units between 2011 and 2015.

-- In 2011, construction began on 10 million affordable housing units. By the end of the year, a total of 26.5 million households in cities had benefited from affordable housing projects, representing 11 percent of the country's total urban population.

-- In the first nine months of 2012, China started construction on 7.2 million affordable housing units, exceeding the annual target of 7 million units.

-- The construction of 4.8 million affordable housing units was completed within the first three quarters, closing in on the annual target of 5 million completed units.

Editor: znz

good... and i hope these new housing units are single-storey or at at least medium-rise buildings built for comfort and set in nicely designed areas ( parks and all ).

*****
And this year Chinese government session plan for 2015-2016.

China allocates 124b yuan to fund affordable housing program - China - Chinadaily.com.cn
(chinadaily.com.cn) Updated: 2015-05-20 16:12

BEIJING -- Chinese central government allocated 124.3 billion yuan ($20.2 billion) in 2015 to fund an affordable housing program to improve people's livelihood and spur economic growth, the Ministry of Finance said on Wednesday.

The money will be used as rent subsidies for low-income families, to fund public rental housing and renovation of shanty towns, according to the ministry.

The affordable housing program, which was approved in 1999, is designed to provide cheaper housing to low-income families who cannot afford to buy a home in cities, where real estate prices skyrocketed over the past years.

Over the past four years, more than 20 million affordable houses were completed across the country, with 12 million under construction, and the assistance fund for building the houses has reached 710 billion yuan, according to the Ministry of Housing and Urban-rural Development.

China has set goals to construct 36 million affordable houses between the start of 2011 and the end of 2015.

i hope even that rent-to-government is removed and prc follows the libyan model... from ( The Libya I Once Knew )...

In Gaddafi's Libya, rents were forbidden. Those Libyans who did not have a home, all they needed was to make a request to the government and it immediately arranged to start building one. The country was a huge construction site, by the way.

And more: A law in act, the Law of the Mattress. It determined that any Libyan citizen who knew of the existence of a rented house only had to throw a mattress in the backyard of the house to make it his own.

 

[Solomon2]

In the West we all saw photos of the tanks confronted by civilians. Yet the denial about the troops opening fire on the students started almost immediately. I remember especially a Chinese government photograph (reproduced in The Economist) of a bloody dead man wearing a spotless uniform jacket and cap. At university the division between Chinese who arrived before and those truth-deniers who arrived after the event was quite sharp and the two groups generally didn't mix.

 

[jamahir]

In the West we all saw photos of the tanks confronted by civilians. Yet the denial about the troops opening fire on the students started almost immediately. I remember especially a Chinese government photograph (reproduced in The Economist) of a bloody dead man wearing a spotless uniform jacket and cap. At university the division between Chinese who arrived before and those truth-deniers who arrived after the event was quite sharp and the two groups generally didn't mix.

disinfo.

 

[Solomon2]

Democracy Road
Ellen Bork
http://www.worldaffairsjournal.org/users/ellen-bork
Tiananmen’s Legacy
9 June 2015

The belief that economic growth will lead to political liberalization has long been a pillar of Western policy toward China. So far that hasn’t happened. Two recent essays argue that it can’t due to decisions taken in connection with the June 4, 1989, assault on democracy protesters, the anniversary of which passed last week.

“The Tiananmen massacre did two things,” wrote Hu Ping, a liberal intellectual now based in New York, on the English-language website China Change. The massacre “stunted China’s political reforms, and it put the country’s economic development on a deviant path.” According to Hu, “the Party encouraged the masses to forget about politics and simply make as much money as possible.”

The problem, Bao Tong wrote in a separate article for the New York Times, is that the people in the best position to get rich were those in power. “Party-led economic liberalization was supposed to unchain both workers and business owners, unleash their energies and permit profit-making and profit-sharing.” Instead, after 1989, according to Bao, “Deng Xiaoping transferred national assets, at generous and largely symbolic prices, to party elites. As a result today’s ‘princelings’—the descendants of the party’s founding revolutionary generation—control much of China’s wealth.” Bao, who wrote his Times op-ed in circumvention of his house arrest, was an aide to General Secretary Zhao Ziyang. Both men were removed from power for sympathizing with the democracy movement, and Bao served seven years in jail.

Bao recalled reading official press accounts of the 1992 “Southern Tour,” in which Deng announced a new tolerance of economic activity. “What made a deep impression was his hard tone, exemplified by three lines, quoted everywhere: ‘If we don’t change, we are at a dead end! Whoever doesn’t reform will have to step down! Some people will get rich first!’”

Westerners might mistake Deng’s willingness to allow certain incentives for tacit endorsement of economic freedom. Instead, Bao writes, Deng would have approved that “profits and resources were distributed according to power.” The policy expressed in Deng’s aphorism “Some people will get rich first!” set China on a path toward its current problem of monumental official corruption.

Neither Hu nor Bao credits the idea that China’s economic growth, even if accompanied by the expansion of a middle class interested in legal and property rights, will bring about political liberalization. “This long-held narrative presupposes that China is on the right path now. But it isn’t,” Hu wrote, “because of choices made through political expediency after the Tiananmen Massacre.”

Another anniversary of June 4th passed last week—the 26th. The party’s crackdown has not ended resistance to its rule. Dozens of participants in the 1989 protests are in jail for their continued human rights activities, according to Chinese Human Rights Defenders. Once again this year, others were detained or warned against marking the anniversary. Bao was one of them, removed from his home where he was already under house arrest.

China’s economic growth has not changed China in the way many expected would be inevitable. The economic liberalization Deng set in motion was never intended to have that effect. “Waiting for history to do its work is merely postponing the time to make a stand,” according to Hu. Many inside China already have.

 

[JSCh]

good... and i hope these new housing units are single-storey or at at least medium-rise buildings built for comfort and set in nicely designed areas ( parks and all ).



i hope even that rent-to-government is removed and prc follows the libyan model... from ( The Libya I Once Knew )...

China is a big populous country, it would be impossible to house everyone in single storey house, the transportation problem would be humongous. China cannot follow the Libyan example in housing because of the vast differences between the two countries.

What Chinese can learn, is to see how that free housing Libya is NOW GONE!!

Chinese people should understand and appreciate the tremendous difficulty in maintaining 1.3 billion people well feed, secure, for now and for the future.
The system that kept every thing in place and humming along might not be perfect, BUT IT IS WORKING!!
The students in Tiananmen might have meant well, but the path to hell is sometime paved with good intentions.
Given what we now know from examples/history from numerous other countries, and given the tremendous result that the Chinese system has so far produced.
That had given Chinese people a lot of confidence in the current system.

We should not risk throwing it away like how the Libyan did.