Thoughts on the 'Mohajir sooba', & the May 22 attacks in Karachi

[haviZsultan]

The thing is i find it hard. I won't say I am a mohajir because I see myself as something else, particularly only as a Pakistani but this mohajir soobha is stupidity that is not making any sense to me. Of course not to say I am a total Pakhtun too in terms of culture and have total admiration for them etc... lol.

You may call me confused but I think its my right to speak bcauz in reality i am supposed to be a "mohajir."

The thing is the mohajirs of all regions have integrated in their provinces except the Mohajir in Karachi and Hyderabad who has not been allowed to integrate due to perceived biases or because they haven't learned the local language and customs.

Mohajirs have highest standard of living compared to all races in Pakistan and are in a much better position than any other race. For them to start complaining is utter stupidity but ethnicism is high in Pakistan and its sad that people attach too much value to any party or group that seeks to promote it represents that ethnic group. Its sad to know sindhis supporting PPP, Mohajirs MQM, Pashtuns ANP & Punjabis PMLN only due to love for racial politics.

I have always seen support for MQM within the family and it annoys me greatly because i feel it is a party that works on ethnic basis and Altaf Hussain has called the partition of Pakistan a great blunder. But the fact is even though many people have said MQM should be crushed or utterly destroyed and Altaf hanged it cannot be done in reality though i would love to see an end to the MQM.

MQM is supported (blindly I might add) by a large number of people despite the violence and destruction it has brought to Karachi. The last time we tried to destroy a political party (Awami League) and took this kind of action it resulted in the break up of Pakistan.

My point is... tread carefully when talking about the MQM. If it was a party with mere 1000 or so supporters you could ravage it but in this case nothing really can be done. Even if MQM chief is caught in a case of target killing and brought to court and jailed his supporters will continue living on MQM propaganda.

So tread carefully when dealing with political parties. We made a huge mistake in the 1970's already courtesy of Yahya Khan and our loved idiot Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto.

When ethnicism gets bonded into politics it becomes explosive. We need to be careful. I hate the MQM and the PPP, particularly for destroying the peace in Karachi but i think neither party can be destroyed.

 

[ThePakistanPrince]

quaid e azam was muhajir, so was liaquat ali khan, and if mohajirs had come because of opportunities then mohajirs like quaid e azam made pakistan for mohajir opportunity?? muslim league was more active in india by indian muslims then it was in areas which became pakistan, and a mohajir spearheaded the movement of pakistan, pakistan was the most backward area among all the rest of india, in the starting years pakistan had no industry and hence no opportunity and no job, in india mohajirs had lots of wealth, they had houses, kothis which they lost, my family lost all the property it had in east pakistan and bengalis didnt even pay us, we came here because pakistan broke, and so did other mohajirs who came here because they were migrating to pakistan and not because they were looking for some opportunity, let me give you an example of hakim muhammad saeed, he had a brother who was handling the business called hamdard, hakeem saeed when he came here had nothing, he started from scraps and then he eventually built hamdard industry in pakistan as well. tell me if hakeem saeed was an opportunist??

karachi was a fracking fishing town before us and we have made it industrial hub of pakistan, not some sindhi and other pakistanis

karachi getting industrialised was the first thing for pakistan development and economy, and dont tell me you havent heard of this??

the opportunists are those whio become burden like americans accusing all your type of mohajirs for stealing their jobs, dont tell me we mohajirs came and stole local people's jobs

since you had started me mohajir vs you mohajir, i have given the reply in the same manner



abe gujrati, your forefathers have been slum dwellers in gujrat before modi ancestors kicked all you slum dwelling gujratis to sindh

I have mistaken and I apologize for my comments eariler. You sir are awesome!

 

[somebozo]

abe gujrati, your forefathers have been slum dwellers in gujrat before modi ancestors kicked all you slum dwelling gujratis to sindh

Actually our family wealth went long way in feeding nangay bhookay panah guzeen like your fore fathers. Good to see your disloyal genes speak up for which your entire community is very famous..backstab and disloyality!

 

[Armstrong]

Actually our family wealth went long way in feeding nangay bhookay panah guzeen like your fore fathers. Good to see your disloyal genes speak up for which your entire community is very famous..backstab and disloyality!

Oye do you want to start another 'Punjabi vs Mohajir' vitriol ? Reeein dei....!

P.S What the heck does 'Pan-Socialism' mean ? If it is plain 'ole socialism then whats wrong with it ?

 

[KS]

...... Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar. ...

When did he become a Pakistani ?

Is Musharaff an Indian ?

 

[Indus Pakistan]

I have come across this Mohajir versus the local people before. What the 'Mohajir's have to accept is that they can't tout this 'we made Pakistan etc' anymore.

Without a doubt the Mohajir's provided the main thrust behind the creation of Pakistan. The 'native people' of Pakistan did not put much effort in the making of Pakistan. That is why the Mohajir's today carry the chip around that they made Pakistan and the 'natives' are in debt to them.

With due respect to them I say no sir rest of Pakistan does not owe you a fig. The only reason why the Mohajir's were so animated with the idea of Pakistan was that they were a minority from where they came from. They knew they could end up being toasted by the Hindu majority. The Gujrat pogrom highlighted that fear.

So they were not pushing for Pakistan for higher altruistic reason or for the benefit Punjabi, Sindhi, Pashtun and the Baloch. They were just looking after numero uno, themselves. They were motivated in saving their own nuts. So let us reject any superior rights derived from 'we made Pakistan' touted by many Mohajir's. Nobody is in debt to them for anything.

In the making of Pakistan the most vital ingredient was land. That real estate was provided by four provinces, Punjab, Sindh, Balochistan and NWFP ( now KP ). If the Sindhi, Punjabi, Pashtun and Baloch of these provinces had not voted to join federation there would have been no Pakistan. What would the Mohajir's done without the land, built their Pakistan in the sky?

Another argument I hear often is 'we built Karachi'. That is another fallacious claim. Karach was already a significant city in 1947. Somebody said Karachi was just a fishing village. I think they need to correct their facts. Karachi already had a airfield in 1947, it was major port with major naval installations. All those colonial buildings from the British era testify to Karachi being already a major city in 1947. Apparently it was also one of the most cleanest and orderly cities in British India.

After 1947 if the Mohajir's had not come Karachi, it would have been as significant as it is today, only it would have had less slums and would have resembled less like one of those slum swampy Indian cities. The physical location of Karachi would have ensured it would always be a major trading city. Karachi port has a hinterland that goes all the way to Central Asia and Sinkiang Uigur province, China. THe closest port to Alma Aty ( Kazakstan), Bishkek ( Kirghiztan ) Tashkent ( Uzbekistan ), Dushanbe ( Tajikistan ), Kabul ( Afghanistan ) Kashgar ( Sinkiang-China ) and all of KP, Punjab, Sindh, Pakistan is Karachi.

That vast area I described above is hostage to Karachi port simply because Karachi is the closest port city. Even US and NATO can cry and howl but as everybody knows the shortest NATO supply line to Kabul is from Karachi port. It is this advantage conferred by geography that would always ensure Karachi would have the privilage of handling 95% of Pakistan's trade and beyond. Somebody in Muzzafarabad, AK want's to import a car, well it has to come through Karachi port. It is simple a monopoly. I don't think the Mohajir's gifted this monopoly to Karachi. Nature did.

What I find amusing today is how the Sindhi ( I do feel sorry for them ) voted to join Pakistan in 1947. I don't think when they voted 'yes' they knew that a 'yes' would mean their land and their city would be taken over by immigrants from India. The Sindhi would be reduced to a minority in their premier city. Almost like the Jews took over Palestine and today talk about how they have developed a desert ( before 1947 ) into mighty country and how the desert now produces surplus food and fruit like the famous Jaffa oranges which are exported all over the world.

I think had they ( Sindhi ) known their land would be 'colonized' by outsiders, who would demand the creation of their own province I doubt they would have voted 'yes'. The Mohajir's should be thankful to the Sindhi for having given them refuge in their province. They have no right to demand a province. Then have to integrate and accept the Sindhi and not the other way around.

Finally they have to appreciate Karachi is not their's. If anybody has a right of calling it their's it would be the Sindhi. Other than that it is a Pakistani city, where all Pakistani's from all four corners have a right to settle. MQM in my view is nothing less than a terrorist entity and Altaf has blood on his hands. He ought to be hung from the gallows.

 

[jha]

It will take some time to forget the atrocities committed against the "Mohazirs".. But they should now forgive and move on..
Smaller administrative units are need of the time. Not just for Pakistan but whole world. If any such demand is legit. then a new province will only strengthen Pakistan.

Karachi-Hyderabad can be made a Union administered territory like Delhi where there is a CM and all the administrative decisions are taken by elected members of the local bodies but it is not a separate state.

 

[Porus]

Is there any One person killed in Punjab when slogans for new provinces were raised?

You were born in Pakistan, How come you are still Muhajir?

Come to Punjab and see whose more educated Your So called muhajir or Punjabis. Ignorance is Bliss, it's not 1947 when educated Muhajirs came to Pakistan. It's 2012 where 1 Lakh laptops were distributed to students. This is just the trailer of educated lot in Punjab. It's the Punjab where LUMS, UET, Bahahuddin Zakkariya University, UET, Punjab University is located.

Ever consider why Punjaab is more peaceful and stable? Where Any new Political party comes like PTI. Not a single drop of blood is shed. People welcome them with open arms.

Now whose more educated in 2012 the punjabis? or the Muhajir who still clinges to Muhajir tag despite they are born in Pakistan.

Do Punjab tell sindhis to kill so called MQM party workers? Do Punjaab decided that PPP would rule sindh?

idiots like you still blame punjabis stop giving idiotic muhajir examples and start blaming yourselfs because you are part of the problem in 2012 not the punjabis.

I don't know why our Mahajur brothers are so full of themselves. In Karachi even a Matric fail would consider himself to be quite educated and look down on a "paindoo" even if he is a Ph.D. in Quantum Physics. There is also a gross misconception about them being most educated among all Muslims in British India. This honour actually goes to Bengali Muslims, they were most educated followed by the Punjabi and then UP Muslims (judging by the number of literates in English in pre-partition South Asia). They still didn't grasp how much they owe to Punjabis. If they didn't have the support of Punjabi, the other Pakistanis would have long ago thrown their Islamic language Urdu (according to baba e Urdu Maulvi Abdul Haq except Urdu all other South Asian languages were Kafir, this is the level of the mental health of their intellectuals) and saas bahu UP culture into the dustbin of history.

 

[bindaas]

Subrahmanyan Chandrasekhar.

He was born in Lahore but actually from South India, I don't know how is he related to Pakistan.

If they didn't have the support of Punjabi, the other Pakistanis would have long ago thrown their Islamic language Urdu (according to baba e Urdu Maulvi Abdul Haq except Urdu all other South Asian languages were Kafir, this is the level of the mental health of their intellectuals) and saas bahu UP culture into the dustbin of history.

It is sorry to see people keep such type of mentality.

 

[Porus]

[QUOTE='[:::~Spartacus~:::]
abe gujrati, your forefathers have been slum dwellers in gujrat before modi ancestors kicked all you slum dwelling gujratis to sindh[/QUOTE]

You should know that Gujaratis (along with Memons, Bohras, Ismailis, Parsis) of Karachi have been been given the honorary status to belong to the great Mahajur community which gives Altaf bhai, the most educated among all educated, a reason to brag about the capital that Mahajurs brought from India and established industry in Pakistan.

I would like to add one more thing here. The Guajartis (British, Parsis, Memons, Sindhis etc) were raising Karachi from scratch when you guys form Bihar, UP, CP, DP and EP didn't even know that any city by this name exist anywhere in British India.

 

[bindaas]

You should know that Gujaratis (along with Memons, Bohras, Ismailis, Parsis) of Karachi have been been given the honorary status to belong to the great Mahajur community which gives Altaf bhai, the most educated among all educated, a reason to brag about the capital that Mahajurs brought from India and established industry in Pakistan.

I would like to add one more thing here. The Guajartis (British, Parsis, Memons, Sindhis etc) were raising Karachi from scratch when you guys form Bihar, UP, CP, DP and EP didn't even know that any city by this name exist anywhere in British India.

Karachi was actually a well-developed city by 1947 but mainly Hindu traders were controlling business in that city. But arriving Muhajirs started riots and looting in the Karachi city making entire Hindu Sindhi traders to leave for India and there was a deep vacuum created in which was filled by Muslims from Gujarat.

 

[Black Widow]

New states are demand of time, I think Pakistan reconsider state reorganization. They should redefine boundary on rational ground (May be religious,regional, ethenic or linguistic)

 

[Porus]

Karachi was actually a well-developed city by 1947 and but mainly Hindu traders were controlling business in that city. But arriving Muhajirs started riots and looting in the Karachi city making entire Hindu Sindhi traders to leave for India and there was a deep vacuum created in which was filled by Muslims from Gujarat.

I did also mention Sindhis in my previous post, personally for me a Sindhi is a Sindhi no matter which religion he follows. The contribution of Parsis, Gujratis, Boharas and other such communities in buiding Karachi under the leadership of British cannot be ignored. You are right about Hindu Sindhis who were forced to leave their homeland. They were peaceful and educated and their migration from Pakistan was a great loss to this land. I feel sorry for all those South Asians who were killed or forced to leave their abodes during partition, they were the victims of our intolerance and unreasonable hatred. We should build a monument at Wahga border to commemorate their sacrifices.

 

[Al Bhatti]

USA which is full of immigrants, but does not have a state for immigrants and a state for Red Indians
Australia which is full of immigrants, but does not have a state for immigrants and a state for aborigines

These two countries come to mind, please let me know if there is any country which has a separate state for the immigrants?

 

[Black Widow]

It will take some time to forget the atrocities committed against the "Mohazirs".. But they should now forgive and move on..
Smaller administrative units are need of the time. Not just for Pakistan but whole world. If any such demand is legit. then a new province will only strengthen Pakistan.

Karachi-Hyderabad can be made a Union administered territory like Delhi where there is a CM and all the administrative decisions are taken by elected members of the local bodies but it is not a separate state.

Agree, Decentralization of power is need, Small center can not control massive population. The Administration should come to local ppl in a systamatic and rational manner (under rulebook)..

What Mr Jinna offered a federal Pakistan, what his successor made is "Strong Center" Baloch, Pakhtoon, sindhi felt betrayed and they are demanding what Jinna offered them.