This Indian Land Is Chinese Land

[skeptic9]

China calls Arunachal as "Southern Tibet", if India is pushed too far India may have to withdraw recognition of Tibet as Chinese territory-- problem solved.

 

[navtrek]

China calls Arunachal as "Southern Tibet", if India is pushed too far India may have to withdraw recognition of Tibet as Chinese territory-- problem solved.

Alright now Tibet is an integral part of China as arunachal is an integral part of India now lets not talk without thinking.

and a discussion on what u said is on another thread.

 

[navtrek]

 

[haji.muhammad]

"Nagaland", "Mizoram", "Zang Nan", "Sikkim" .... these are ALL not Indians, the people are NOT Indian, the culture is not Indian.

Pakistanis support Chinese claim over Arunchal Pradesh

 

[applesauce]

China calls Arunachal as "Southern Tibet", if India is pushed too far India may have to withdraw recognition of Tibet as Chinese territory-- problem solved.

fairly certain that instead of solving program this will generate more problems. not the least of which includes the withdrawal all diplomatic relations(and 99.9% chance all economic/other relations too). this then opens the door to a whole list of things that could happen.

 

[baconlover]

China calls Arunachal as "Southern Tibet", if India is pushed too far India may have to withdraw recognition of Tibet as Chinese territory-- problem solved.

I'm not sure if India ever officially recognize Chinese Tibet.
Show me a link if you can find.

Now I'm pretty positive that India (i.e. the ruling elites) NEVER recognized Chinese Tibet in SPIRIT. It has always wanted Tibet to be a buffer, and also more aligned with India. (like Nepal) -
That, I think, is the root karma of the badness between the 2 ancient powers.

Frankly, I don't think China cares about India's recognition.
Britain has made its stance clear. China only cares about US stance, somewhat.

> withdraw recognition....- problem solved

and the "solution" might come in the form of some big dams up there. You might want to look up north from time to time and check your water pressure

 

[navtrek]

Pakistanis support Chinese claim over Arunchal Pradesh

Now after reading the whole thread does it really matter if Pakistan supports are not

Ha ha But am happy to see such good sentiments of people of Pakistan towards China

But Buddy Truth doesn't require support it is self-Sustaining so India dosent need Pakistani support.

 

[navtrek]

I'm not sure if India ever officially recognize Chinese Tibet.
Show me a link if you can find.

Now I'm pretty positive that India (i.e. the ruling elites) NEVER recognized Chinese Tibet in SPIRIT. It has always wanted Tibet to be a buffer, and also more aligned with India. (like Nepal) -
That, I think, is the root karma of the badness between the 2 ancient powers.

Frankly, I don't think China cares about India's recognition.
Britain has made its stance clear. China only cares about US stance, somewhat.

> withdraw recognition....- problem solved

and the "solution" might come in the form of some big dams up there. You might want to look up north from time to time and check your water pressure

Maintaining that it had made no concessions, India on Tuesday said that its recognition of the Tibet Autonomous Region (TAR) as part of the territory of the People's Republic of China (PRC) was consistent with its stand since 1954 even as the two countries announced the appointment of two high-level special representatives to speed up a settlement of the contentious border issue.

India recognises Tibet as part of Chinese territory

The Sikh Times - News and Analysis - India Recognizes Tibet as Part of China

Well we all know whether the Chinese care or not and its impossible to build a dam across the great bend.
The ones which have been built are Run of the river dams, Building which is there sovereign right.

 

[navtrek]

fairly certain that instead of solving program this will generate more problems. not the least of which includes the withdrawal all diplomatic relations(and 99.9% chance all economic/other relations too). this then opens the door to a whole list of things that could happen.

Thats highly unlikely to happen India recognizes Tibet as a part of China's since 1954

The link is there on an another post

 

[hindesi]

Pakistanis support Chinese claim over Arunchal Pradesh

Typical Pakistani.. I bet he didn't even read the facts provided.. No wonder the whole country is up in flames !!

 

[navtrek]

In this thread we have certainly proved "Arunachal is the India's land of Rising Sun"

now lets move to the next disputed region

 

[navtrek]

Yup its true Aksai Chin

 

[navtrek]

 

[navtrek]

Chinese claims are based "mainly on history, or links with Tibet" so my points are also based totally on history.

So my arguments are completely based on Historic facts e.g. Ruins, Places of worship e.t.c

1.Aksai Chin was historically part of the Himalayan Kingdom of Ladakh(am talking abt 19th century)
until Ladakh was annexed from the rule of the local Namgyal dynasty by the Dogras and the princely state of Kashmir in the 19th century.

Aksai Chin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now coming to why am talking abt LADAKH

1.Ladakh is a region of Jammu and Kashmir, the northernmost state of the Republic of India.
2.inhabited by people of Indo-Aryan and Tibetan descent
3.It is one of the most sparsely populated regions in Kashmir
4.Historically, the region included the Baltistan (Baltiyul) valleys, the Indus Valley, the remote Zangskar, Lahaul and Spiti to the south, Aksai Chin and Ngari, including the Rudok region and Guge, in the east, and the Nubra valleys to the north.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ladakh

"So here i want to end the claim of LADAKH being a part of Tibet" coz its not

Now can any chinese member defend their claim of Aksai chin

 

[gpit]

Ladakh is a region of Jammu and Kashmir, the northernmost state of the Republic of India.

We all see an imperialist clownish face!

You know nearly nothing of Ladakh, mate.

Ladakh, it was the descendents of Tibetan Tubo Kings who established the Ladakh empire:

After King Tri Ralpachen of the Tubo Dynasty in Central Tibet was murdered, his older brother Langdarma (born approx. 803) succeeded the throne and initiated what has come to be well-known as the “Dark Age,” i.e., the extensive anti-Buddhist persecution in Tibet. The Dharma Fellowship writes: “What has not been sufficiently emphasized is the coincidence of Langdarma’s persecutions with the occurrence in neighbouring China of a strenuous Confucian purge of Buddhism under the reign of Emperor Wu-Tsung. Thus throughout the huge area consisting of most of Central Asia, China, and Tibet, for a few but nevertheless very disastrous number of years, monasteries were closed, books were burned, and temples were sealed up. The following eras created a void into which obscure and unaccounted for doctrines could be discovered.”8 Langdarma only reigned for six years (838-842) but left Buddhism shattered by the time a Buddhist monk named Lhalung Palkyi Dorje assassinated him.9

Langdarma left behind a jealous queen and a terrified and forlorn mistress. The queen was childless while her rival had a son, so there was a struggle for the throne. The petrified mistress left the palace lit both day and night to protect her son, whose name was therefore Öd Sung, which means “Protected by Light.” The jealous and ambitious queen realized that it wasn’t possible to kill Öd Sung, so she snatched an infant from a relative and told everyone that the child was the posthumous son of Langdarma. Hoping he would inherit the kingdom, the queen named him Yumten, meaning “Relying on the Mother.” Yumten turned Öd Sung into a public disgrace. Öd Sung understood that his father’s persecution of Buddhism had brought the hearts of the people against his family name, so he restored many Buddhist shrines, while Yumten followed in the footsteps of his wicked uncle. People in the region of Kham in East Tibet and Yarlung in Central Tibet rebelled against the infamy and as a result Tibet was disunited into separate states. Hostility between the families of Öd Sung and Yumten ruled the day, and Yumten’s sons managed to kill Öd Sung’s son, whose name was Palkhortsen. Jide Nyimagon and Tashi Tsepal, Palkortsen’s two sons, fled from Lhasa to Ngari in West Tibet. Jide Nyimagon fled to Maryul and joined forces with the tribal chief Tashitsen of the Thi Dyanasty there by marrying his daughter. She had three sons, Paldegon, Tashigon, and Detsugon. When they came of age, Jide Nyimagon divided his kingdom among his three sons: Paldegon received Maryul (Ladakh), Tashigon received the area around Mt. Sangpo (Zanskar and Spiti), and Detsugon received the rocky region of Guge, Mt. Kailash being its capital. These districts became known as the “Three Gons,” or “the region of water, the region of mountains, and the region of grasslands.”10

A Short History of Ladakh

( A pro-India website).

BTW, for those understand Chinese, “Three Gons,” means 阿里三围 in Chinese. Ali(阿&#37324 region of Tibet are called Rear Tibet (as opposed to Front Tibet).

The 1842 treaty guaranteed a more independent Lakadh:

Ladakhi Letter of Agreement (1842) [374]
LADAKHI LETTER OF AGREEMENT
1842
Translations of the original letters written in Tibetan
Shri Khalsaji Apsarani Shri Maharajah; Lhasa representative Kalon Surkhang; investigator Dapon Peshi, commander of forces; Balana, the representative of Gulam Kahandin; and the interpreter Amir Hah, have written this letter after sitting together. We have agreed that we have no ill-feelings because of the past war. The two kings will henceforth remain friends forever. The relationship between Maharajah Gulab Singh of Kashmir and the Lama Guru of Lhasa (Dalai Lama) is now established. The Maharajah Sahib, with God (Kunchok) as his witness, promises to recognise ancient boundaries, which should be looked after by each side without resorting to warfare. When the descendants of the early kings, who fled from Ladakh to Tibet, now return they will not be stopped by Shri Maharajah. Trade between Ladakh and Tibet will continue as usual. Tibetan government traders coming into Ladakh will receive free transport and accommodations as before, and the Ladakhi envoy will, in turn, receive the same facilities in Lhasa. The Ladakhis take an oath before God (Kunchok) that they will not intrigue or create new troubles in Tibetan territory. We have agreed, with God as witness, that Shri Maharajah Sahib and the Lama Guru of Lhasa will live together as members of the same household. We have written the above on the second of Assura, Sambhat 1899 (17 September 1842).
Sealed by the Wazir, Dewan, Balana, and Amir Shah.
Tibetan Letter of Agreement, 1842
This agreement is made in the interests of the friendship between the Lhasa authorities and Shri Maharajah Sahib and Maharajah Gulab Singh. On the thirteenth day of the eighth month of the Water-Tiger year (September 17, 1842), the Lhasa representative Kalon Surkang, investigator Dapon Peshi, Shri Raja Sahib, sat together amicably with Kunchok (God) as witness. This document has been drawn up to ensure the lasting friendship of the Tibetans and the Ladakhis. We have agreed not to harm each other in any way, and to look after the interests of our own territories. We agree to continue trading in tea and cloth on the same terms as in the past, and will not harm Ladakhi traders coming into Tibet. If any of our subjects stray into your country, they should not be protected. We will forget past differences between the Lhasa authority and Shri Maharajah. The agreement arrived at today will remain firmly established forever. Kunchok (God), Mount Kailash, Lake Manasarowar, and Khochag Jowo have been called as witnesses to this treaty.
Sealed by Kalon Surkhang and Dapon Peshi
Notes
1. Source: W.D. Shakabpa, Tibet: A Political History (New Haven, 1967), pp. 327 328.
Tibet Justice Center - Legal Materials on Tibet - Treaties and Conventions Relating to Tibet - Ladakhi Letter of Agreement (1842) [374]

Why the kings fled to Lhasa? Because they tended to seek asylum/support from Tibet.

Historically, racially, culturally, and religiously, Ladakh is mostly Tibetan, and it rightfully called “little Tibet”. Aryans were perhaps the earliest dweller. Their mixed descendents Indo-aryans are only minority now.

The size of Ladakh varied according to who rose and who fell among its stronger neighbors. Most of the time, it was more a vassal country to either Tibet or Jammu kings.

Now somebody here claimed he “proved” Ladakh is Indian. Thanks, but no thanks to the big mouth. To the most, Ladakh would be more an independent vassal country to Jammu, or Tibet, never to India as there was no India there at that time! Tibet has it, as it is one of “Three Gons”. Yes, ancient Sikkim emperor once occupied it, but that influence has long gone, not event a vestige can be found. India’s claim can only and feebly based on British East India Company’s imperialistic interference on the region, as India perhaps appears to inherit the most notorious imperialism in the region.

So stop providing laughing stock.