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(CNN)The European Union's negotiating tactics can be summed up in two words: "Sign here."

They could add a footnote, four words long: "We're bigger than you."

It's a lesson the United Kingdom, unused to negotiating as the weaker party, is starting to absorb.

Britain entered the Brexit negotiations thinking it held five strong cards: the financial depth of the City of London; its large contributions to the EU budget; its "security surplus"; its relationship with Angela Merkel; and its size compared to Ireland.

But these -- valuable while the UK was a member of the EU -- were no use after its decision to leave.

London approached its negotiation of a "deep and special partnership" as though it was another opt-out from the European project. It assumed that British cooperation was valuable and could be traded for market access.

It imagined the referendum result strengthened rather than weakened its hand. Britain now officially disliked the EU, and therefore that Britain needed to demand a higher price from its European partners for its continued cooperation.

But in Brussels, Paris and Berlin, this looked like more British extortion. With Brexit, the time had come finally, to stop paying Britgeld. (Danegeld was the tribute Anglo-Saxon kingdoms once paid to their Viking occupiers).

Insisting at one point that "no deal is better than a bad deal," Britain threatened to walk out of negotiations. The EU -- judging that the UK was negotiating with a gun pointed at its own head -- called London's bluff.

Brussels divided the negotiations into two phases. It wanted the UK to make "sufficient progress" dealing with the collateral damage that Brexit caused for EU citizens rights, the EU budget, and the Northern Irish border before moving on to discuss the future EU-UK relationship.

On Monday morning, as the Irish Taoiseach (Prime Minister) drove into work in his singlet, it seemed the British had caved in on all three: to pay its outstanding liabilities, accept something indistinguishable from ECJ jurisdiction to govern the rights of EU citizens living in the UK after Brexit, and agree to "regulatory alignment" for Northern Ireland with the EU and avoid a physical border.

Were the UK the unitary state still referred to in France as L'Angleterre, that deal -- however uncomfortable for May -- would now be done.

But the UK's political system has started to resemble a federation. She chose to ignore its constituent nations when plotting her path to a hard Brexit, which would take Britain outside of the EU's Single Market and Customs Union.

Now they are rising up against it. Her Toryism may dominate the English countryside, but it comes a distant second in Scotland, Wales and the capital. (Northern Ireland has, for its own historical reasons, a separate political spectrum organized on sectarian lines).

Nicola Sturgeon, First Minister of Scotland, and Sadiq Khan, mayor of London, have both asked: If Northern Ireland can have "regulatory alignment" with the Single Market and Customs Union, why can't we?

(Even Ruth Davidson, the Conservative leader in Scotland, said in a statement on Twitter: "if regulatory alignment in a number of specific areas is the requirement for a frictionless border, then the Prime Minister should conclude this must be on a UK-wide basis.")

Everyone, that is, except the Democratic Unionist Party, the Northern Irish grouping on whose parliamentary support Theresa May's government depends.

The DUP can count on the support of just 36% of Northern Ireland's votes. But because of Britain's electoral system -- and the fact that for their own ideological reasons, Sinn Fein choose not to take their seats there -- the DUP are the only party representing Northern Ireland in London.

And whereas Dublin wants to avoid an economic border between Northern Ireland and the Republic, the DUP opposes one between Northern Ireland and Britain.

Now May is stuck. If "sufficient progress" can't be reached by the next European Council meeting in two weeks, businesses will begin to activate plans for a disorderly Brexit. But if it is reached, the Democratic Unionists could bring her government down and prompt a general election that her Conservative Party could use.

May could probably face down the DUP with the support of the Scottish Nationalists: but their price would be Scotland getting the same deal as offered to Northern Ireland. London's demands for autonomy, on the other hand, can probably be resisted for the moment.

But with Scotland and Northern Ireland staying aligned to the EU's economic rules, "united" would be the last word that could be applied to this kingdom. Better to call it the Former United Kingdom of England and Wales. I'll leave you to work out the acronym for yourself.

http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/05/opinions/theresa-may-bad-brexit-deal-walshe-opinion/index.html
 
The old goray of this country have screwed up mine and my family's future. They are under the delusion that we are still some type of superpower and that the UK will be strong without europe; despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Now we have May, who couldn't even manage the Home office, trying to negotiate the biggest deal in this country's history; and a bunch of idiots like Boris screwing up everyday.

Please pray for us :sarcastic:
 
Is it just a personal feeling or are May and her government's days numbered ?
I guess it's time for comrade Corbyn to take over :sarcastic:

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@Path-Finder @mike2000 is back @Blue Marlin @Sher Shah Awan @Jungibaaz @Abingdonboy

Is it just a personal feeling or are May and her government's days numbered ?

Yes. Not just May but the Conservative Party has been battered by this as well. The nation has not really bounced back from Margaret Thatcher years that another gang of Tory clowns came to power. The successor to May is Boris Johnson or Jacob Rees Mogg. :sarcastic:

I didn't cast a ballot in Brexit either for or against it, I remember when the Coalition conservative government came to power in 2010 our then Glorious leader David Cameron's Veins, Arteries and Capillaries carried anti EU blood. Then he did a 3 point turn and became pro EU. I remember the leaflet that came in my letter box praising the EU I Thought this is a big change of heart but even more dodgy to change his narrative.

Of Course Nigel Farage how can we forget him. :haha:

Bexit day I saw hardly any young person at the voting booth, it was mostly pensioners and some tradesmen who had signs of 'Vote Leave' in their vans which is strange now they have taken those signs off their trade vans.

Dave you done us in the balls :cray:

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If voters have any sense, they'll finish off the conservative party in the next general election, whenever that may be, we know the current government will delay that as much as possible. Certainly someone will replace May, but that doesn't change what would be in store for the UK if we had another decade of Conservative governance. In fact, without Theresa May, and with the likes of Jacob Rees-Mogg or Boris Johnson, it would probably be worse.

The Conservatives have been known to put party ahead of country, that's exactly what they did with the EU referendum, Cameron called it hoping to settle a dispute within his party, confident that he'd win, he fumbled it and ran from Downing Street the week after the vote.
 
What I find most troubling is how casually the situation in Northern Ireland was ignored in the lead up to the Brexit vote. I mean the place had suffered decades of violence before the Good Friday Agreement, and now one of the key principles of that agreement is likely to be discarded for Brexit to take place. Does Britain really want to risk N. Ireland again? :/
 
What I find most troubling is how casually the situation in Northern Ireland was ignored in the lead up to the Brexit vote. I mean the place had suffered decades of violence before the Good Friday Agreement, and now one of the key principles of that agreement is likely to be discarded for Brexit to take place. Does Britain really want to risk N. Ireland again? :/
It was a referendum and people vote for whatever reason, most brits dont give a sh*t about NI.(except those in NI).
however its a big issue for leaders, which is why they are careful... the recent agreement was almost signed(which would have satisfied the irish govt and sin fein, but DUP threatened to pull the trigger).
If IRA comes back, it will make van riding, knief wielding islamists look amateur at best, I hope that never happens.
 
It was a referendum and people vote for whatever reason, most brits dont give a sh*t about NI.(except those in NI).
however its a big issue for leaders, which is why they are careful... the recent agreement was almost signed(which would have satisfied the irish govt and sin fein, but DUP threatened to pull the trigger).
If IRA comes back, it will make van riding, knief wielding islamists look amateur at best, I hope that never happens.

People being shortsighted I would say then. If God Forbid that group does come back then Brits would do well to remember that their reach extended far beyond the borders of Ireland. Their campaign of bombings hit most major British cities as well. Just thought from a British pov is all of this risk really worth it?
 
People being shortsighted I would say then. If God Forbid that group does come back then Brits would do well to remember that their reach extended far beyond the borders of Ireland. Their campaign of bombings hit most major British cities as well. Just thought from a British pov is all of this risk really worth it?
thats true everywhere... that's why we got representative democracy, people vote whatever they think is important for them, and representatives make sure their wishes are met, within the parameters of international law, and without hurting the public.
 
@Path-Finder @mike2000 is back @Blue Marlin @Sher Shah Awan @Jungibaaz @Abingdonboy

Is it just a personal feeling or are May and her government's days numbered?

I voted to remain. I think Brexit is horrible from an idealistic perspective. The EU Project should be a model for other societies. Free trade, free movement of people, cooperatation in all sorts of professional fields, reducing the barriers between societies rather than putting them up. I live in an area with high immigration - it's great. Our culture has got new cultures present, new foods, new faces - whats not to like?

I think she will be allowed to stumble through the Brexit negociations, nobody wants to grasp that thorn, whatever decision you make most people will be unhappy, so the opposition are happy to lose all credibility and then attack her after that. The next government will most certainly be Labour.

The old goray of this country have screwed up mine and my family's future. They are under the delusion that we are still some type of superpower and that the UK will be strong without europe; despite all the evidence to the contrary.

Now we have May, who couldn't even manage the Home office, trying to negotiate the biggest deal in this country's history; and a bunch of idiots like Boris screwing up everyday.

Please pray for us :sarcastic:
Rizq is from Allah bro - not the government or the EU. All we have to do is be prepared to earn it. Learn a new skill, gain a qualification or an experience - or try dabbling in some side business. There is lots of money to be made.

I guess it's time for comrade Corbyn to take over :sarcastic:

Big up the JC Massive...lol (I'm showing my age now). This guy could be our Bernie Sanders, or our Imran Khan. I'd love to see a man of principle in power in Britain.
 
I voted to remain. I think Brexit is horrible from an idealistic perspective. The EU Project should be a model for other societies. Free trade, free movement of people, cooperatation in all sorts of professional fields, reducing the barriers between societies rather than putting them up. I live in an area with high immigration - it's great. Our culture has got new cultures present, new foods, new faces - whats not to like?

I think she will be allowed to stumble through the Brexit negociations, nobody wants to grasp that thorn, whatever decision you make most people will be unhappy, so the opposition are happy to lose all credibility and then attack her after that. The next government will most certainly be Labour.


Rizq is from Allah bro - not the government or the EU. All we have to do is be prepared to earn it. Learn a new skill, gain a qualification or an experience - or try dabbling in some side business. There is lots of money to be made.



Big up the JC Massive...lol (I'm showing my age now). This guy could be our Bernie Sanders, or our Imran Khan. I'd love to see a man of principle in power in Britain.
doubt labour will do any better... in negotiations...
I am a big fan of Corbyn as a person, but his policy ruin the economy of the country if elected.
 
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