The Uyghur issue

[Hakan]

疏勒乡村《小苹果》舞蹈引领新风尚
the picture and the article doesn't match.
if you can read Chinese, this is a 'Little Apple' (Chinese pop song) dancing competition, and the picture is the 'team of religion', there were teams of students, women, employees as well.


the original source is about anti-extremism not anti-religion. i question the credibility of the author and the source. the whole story is cooked up.

I don't know the exact specifics but I do know what other communist around the world have done which is what makes me believe but its good to see that you are sceptical.

My goal?!!! I am just talking about what is good for those poor people.

Your wishes will be fulfilled.

 

[Oublious]

Actually @Hakan began this discussion, but for me, the point is that some policies of China has been useful for Uyghurs, while we criticize a big portion of their policies. Also, avoiding of expansion of extremism is good for uyghur people before anyone else.

Did you read the articel? They are not allowed to learn religon, and that is Islam. So you are saying Islam is terrorism? Howe do you know they are extemists?

 

[Yizhi]

I don't know the exact specifics but I do know what other communist around the world have done which is what makes me believe but its good to see that you are sceptical.

we like square dancing, if you don't like it, it's fine for me.
but seriously, the credibility of sources like World Bulletin is extremely problematic.

Did you read the articel? They are not allowed to learn religon, and that is Islam. So you are saying Islam is terrorism? Howe do you know they are extemists?

did you read my post? it's not about anti-religion, 'not allowed to learn religion' part is made up by the writer of the article.

 

[rmi5]

Did you read the articel? They are not allowed to learn religon, and that is Islam. So you are saying Islam is terrorism?

Yes

Howe do you know they are extemists?

When a women wears burqa and covers her face, and her man has a 2 meters long beard, then something is really wrong about them. isn't it true?

 

[xenon54 out]

we are communist.......


Why are we not denying it to the other millions of Muslims. If you talk minorities, we have party secretaries of entire provinces from our minorities, with generals and other major military rank and in the police force.

Religion, keep it to yourself, fine, but if you want to use it for separatism, we will clamp down.

Do I think we went over? Yes, are our policies right? Not all of them, but it's not from nowhere, and I don't know about Turkey, but separatism will not be tolerated.

That's like China saying the Kurds needs their country and we will arm and fund them.

China has ever right to defend itself against extremism but the exsample in previous pages is wrong and will give extremists more reason to continue.

 

[Hakan]

Did you read the articel? They are not allowed to learn religon, and that is Islam. So you are saying Islam is terrorism? Howe do you know they are extemists?

That is exactly what he is saying

we like square dancing, if you don't like it, it's fine for me.
but seriously, the credibility of sources like World Bulletin is extremely problematic.

did you read my post? it's not about anti-religion, 'not allowed to learn religion' part is made up by the writer of the article.

Its also in sabah newspaper. A big paper in turkey.
Çin'de imamlar zorla dans ettirildi - Dünya Haberleri

I don't have problem with the dancing or exercising as that is normal in china, my concern was with the alleged statements.

 

[Oublious]

Yes

When a women wears burqa and covers her face, and her man has a 2 meters long beard, then something is really wrong about them. isn't it true?

No, we have a lot of in Turkey and they don't blow up them selfs. You have a isseu friend.

 

[rmi5]

No, we have a lot of in Turkey and they don't blow up them selfs. You have a isseu friend.

if I see such people, I'll try to keep a safe distance from them. I think that's more logical and safe.
No sane person would have a 2 meters long beard or wear burqa. That's what I understand.

 

[Yizhi]

That is exactly what he is saying

Its also in sabah newspaper. A big paper in turkey.
Çin'de imamlar zorla dans ettirildi - Dünya Haberleri

I don't have problem with the dancing or exercising as that is normal in china, my concern was with the alleged statements.

......then i pray for the quality of Turkish paper.
my problem is with the statement too, cause it's either very bad translation or deliberate misleading propaganda with malice intentions. tell me how the performance of the team religion in a Chinese pop song square dancing competition become 'evidence' of 'Uighur under suppression' or 'CCP is anti-religion'? this is absurd.
yet articles like this have flooded the English media that i'm tired of debunking myths about Uighurs.

 

[Genesis]

China has ever right to defend itself against extremism but the exsample in previous pages is wrong and will give extremists more reason to continue.

The thing about that is, is the intent to humiliate? If it is, it certainly is troubling, but it's not.

I can give money to someone and humiliate them by doing so.

It all depends on the reporting, on this it seems like the purpose is humiliation, but truth is China has been trying to play up these guys to be the power of Islam in China, why would we humiliate them.

 

[xenon54 out]

The thing about that is, is the intent to humiliate? If it is, it certainly is troubling, but it's not.

I can give money to someone and humiliate them by doing so.

It all depends on the reporting, on this it seems like the purpose is humiliation, but truth is China has been trying to play up these guys to be the power of Islam in China, why would we humiliate them.

I dont know how true it is but its indeed problematic if its true what they were forced to say.

 

[Genesis]

I dont know how true it is but its indeed problematic if its true what they were forced to say.

Regardless of your views on china, you at least accept Chinese government isn't trying to create a rift between Muslims and China do you.

I mean crack down is one thing, but the down right humiliation, how does that help Xi, you think he sits in his office and thinks how can I F up my life more today.

This is reality of these kind of "rights" reporting, misleading and a smear most of the time, you'll excuse me if I don't take it any more seriously than I do of PETA's campaigns.

 

[xenon54 out]

Regardless of your views on china, you at least accept Chinese government isn't trying to create a rift between Muslims and China do you.

I mean crack down is one thing, but the down right humiliation, how does that help Xi, you think he sits in his office and thinks how can I F up my life more today.

This is reality of these kind of "rights" reporting, misleading and a smear most of the time, you'll excuse me if I don't take it any more seriously than I do of PETA's campaigns.

Believe it or not but im not biased against China, i for exsample supported the decision of China to ban burqa since its a late invention which has nothing to do with original dress code of muslim and because its indeed a security risk sometimes, just a month ago a Chechen woman with burqa killed a police officer in Istanbul with handgrenades under her dress so the concern isnt unfounded indeed.

And about the article, as i said i dont know if its true but it could be since Chinese goverment is trying to supress religion generally (not only Islam), Christians also report often about suppression in China.

 

[Hakan]

......then i pray for the quality of Turkish paper.
my problem is with the statement too, cause it's either very bad translation or deliberate misleading propaganda with malice intentions. tell me how the performance of the team religion in a Chinese pop song square dancing competition become 'evidence' of 'Uighur under suppression' or 'CCP is anti-religion'? this is absurd.
yet articles like this have flooded the English media that i'm tired of debunking myths about Uighurs.

Idk buddy. All I know is what I read and I wouldn't be surprised if misinformation is coming from your side.

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@rmi5

#1 we are not discussing religion on this forum as everyone knows, if people want to discuss they can go somewhere other than a defence forum, with that being said the reason the uyghur issue is being discussed here is known ,even though it doesn't belong in this section. #2 We don't allow people to make discrimination in our section, if someone had replaced the word Islam with Judaism in the following statement it would be considered antisemitic same applies to any other religion, statements like that will not be tolerated here.

Spreading hatred, inhumane acts and terrorism should not be allowed. Not all religions are equal, nor all of them should be allowed to be broadcasted. Islam is an enemy of civilization, and the source of spreading terrorism and hatred in a society. You may want to deny it, but it is the reality about it. When a muslim teaches BS stuff to his children and that child kills people, we cannot simply let them spread their so called religion under such pretexts.
Freedom of religion should not violate the civil law. That's a basic part of secularism. like how polygamy was banned for Mormons in contrast to their religion, and exactly like how 99% of islamic laws should be banned.

#3 your going off into random off topic stuff about Turkish politics & history.

 

[Timur]

Cry me a river, but reality is that muslim fanatics are number one terrorists of this world, not anyone else.

be told that number one terrorist is not muslim states.. the ones who spread war most arewell known countrys..
man you are really agressive and full of hate.. so there is nothing I can say to you except this:

To you your religion and to me mine..