'The USS Liberty': America's Most Shameful Secret

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[Mosamania]

You have got it all wrong.

1- 1948. There was an arm embargo on Israel both by the US and the British. The UK even helped to Arab armies: the Trans-Jordan legion was commanded by British officers and the RAF tried to prevent Israel's forces to penetrate to Sinai. The most important aspect is that the Palestinians rejected 181 UN resolution on partition and attacked the Jewish communities. A day after the end of the British mandate all Arab neighbours illegally invaded the territory of the former British mandate in clear intention to destroy Israel only a day after its independence. Not only they faild but Israel finished the war with more territory that it posessed when it begun.

2- 1967. the war began by an Israeli attack after Egypt violated the terms of the ceasefire agreement of the 1956 War, deployed its forces in Sinai, deported the UN peacekeeping force, and closed the Aqaba bay for Israeli ships while threatening openly with a 'second round' of total war which would this time ends with the destruction of Israel. Jordan and Syria cooperated with Egypt, so all three countries were defeated in the battle field. BTW the UAR between Egypt and Syria was demolished in 1961, 6 years before the war and has nothing to do with it.

3- 1973. Although that in the first days Egypt and Syria exploited the element of surprise and had the upper hand, they were defeated again and the Israeli are was 101 km from Cairo and 40 Km from Damascus. Only international intervention saved these countries form another total defeat. The Egyptian late president, Saadat, realised what happened and signed a peace treaty with Israel in 1978.

If you cannot handle reality and want to believe all this fairy tales about broken Soviet weaponry and that Israel needed the Americans once it circled the 3rd army, go ahead, fool yourself.

Both Hamas and Hizbullah were defeated in battle as they are no match to Israel military. Because of they are coward they hide behind women and children so they are being their human shields. That is way civilians were hurt in Gaza and Lebanon.

It is funny how you look even to the USA and the UK as enemies even though they were your biggest supporters though out your history. Is paranoia have really risen to the level of schizophrenia in the israeli's minds??

And I corrected what you said about the UAR because as I said it was a mistake by me and I apologize but all my other points are facts from people who have been in that war themselves one of which is an Egyptian lecturer at my school who was a field doctor at the time.

And as always Israeli's cry "we are the victims, everyone is against us" It has grown to be a mental illness.

oh and one more thing where do you want hamas fighters to go in a place as big as a pepsi can to fight you?? in an open field all piled up together saying yo..yo israeli dudes yo. we will be fighting you in abu-ahmed's farm okay?? wait for all of us till we get there then send your missiles, thank you.

 

[nirreich]

It is funny how you look even to the USA and the UK as enemies even though they were your biggest supporters though out your history. Is paranoia have really risen to the level of schizophrenia in the israeli's minds??

And I corrected what you said about the UAR because as I said it was a mistake by me and I apologize but all my other points are facts from people who have been in that war themselves one of which is an Egyptian lecturer at my school who was a field doctor at the time.

And as always Israeli's cry "we are the victims, everyone is against us" It has grown to be a mental illness.

The Arab countries and their people are against us, don't they? So we are not completely wrong.

Check your facts again, the US imposed an arm embargo on Israel in 1948 and forced it to withdraw from Sinai in 1956. The UK gave military assistance to the Arab side. Ironically, Israel was supported by the Soviet Union which authorised the Check weapons delivery.

I know that the Arabs do not like to admit their military defeats, but that is the reality. there was no conventional war between Israel and its Arab neighbours since 1973 because they finally realised that they are no match to Israel in the battlefield. That is why Egypt signed a peace treaty and Syria never dare to attack Israel directly and hide behind the terror organisation known as Hizbualla. If the Arabs thought they have a chance to eliminate Israel by declaring war on it, they would have done it by now.

 

[Safriz]

USA is an israeli colony...Puppeteers sitcin telaviv.

 

[nirreich]

USA is an israeli colony...Puppeteers sitcin telaviv.

And pigs fly and dogs can speak Norwegian.

 

[Mosamania]

The Arab countries and their people are against us, don't they? So we are not completely wrong.

Check your facts again, the US imposed an arm embargo on Israel in 1948 and forced it to withdraw from Sinai in 1956. The UK gave military assistance to the Arab side. Ironically, Israel was supported by the Soviet Union which authorised the Check weapons delivery.

I know that the Arabs do not like to admit their military defeats, but that is the reality. there was no conventional war between Israel and its Arab neighbours since 1973 because they finally realised that they are no match to Israel in the battlefield. That is why Egypt signed a peace treaty and Syria never dare to attack Israel directly and hide behind the terror organisation known as Hizbualla. If the Arabs thought they have a chance to eliminate Israel by declaring war on it, they would have done it by now.

Right now yes there is no way in hell we can defeat you. You guys are the USA's pets you get all your stuff from the USA full and even add on it from your own technology. On the other hand us arabs get downgraded stuff from the US tanks with no armor or Fighter jets with shorter radar and some missiles are a no-no. But and it is a major but, times they are a changing.

 

[nirreich]

Right now yes there is no way in hell we can defeat you. You guys are the USA's pets you get all your stuff from the USA full and even add on it from your own technology. On the other hand us arabs get downgraded stuff from the US tanks with no armor or Fighter jets with shorter radar and some missiles are a no-no. But and it is a major but, times they are a changing.

Technology is important but it is not just that. Saudi Arabia also buy cutting edge technology from the US. Israel has an educated manpower who can be used as superb field commanders and pilots.

The US helps Israel to maintain its military superiority because once it would gone, Arab countries will try again to eliminate Israel, like they did until 1973. And the US wants to keep the ME stable.

 

[Mosamania]

Technology is important but it is not just that. Saudi Arabia also buy cutting edge technology from the US. Israel has an educated manpower who can be used as superb field commanders and pilots.

The US helps Israel to maintain its military superiority because once it would gone, Arab countries will try again to eliminate Israel, like they did until 1973. And the US wants to keep the ME stable.

you said ti yourself educated man power and i said "times they are a changing" regarding that very same purpose even tech wise we will beat you in less than 20 years from now. and when that time comes remember what I said.
Oh and we already gave you a peace initiative but you rejected it so it is clear which country doesn't want peace now doesn't it?

 

[500]

'The USS Liberty': America's Most Shameful Secret

Liberty is most promoted friendly fire case in worlds history. During invasion of Sicily US shot down 30 of its own transport planes. During the war in guld 17 out 20 destroyed Braldey IFV were by friendly fire. No one remnembers these cases.

 

[500]

Welcome to the world of the arab world..

Why did the arabs lose so much against israel folks??? it is because if it was a fair fight the arabs would have won everytime but lets see now shall we?

1-1948 war...the US demands a ceasefire for 1-2 weeks in the condition that no one arms at the time (a time out sort to speak) and the ones who dont comply will have an invasion on his nation (otherwise accept or the allies will say you broke a law and kill every single one of you) so they accept while there was a huuuuge watch on the arabs not to increase their armaments the Israelis increased from 30,000 soldiers to 115,000 soldiers with loads of new american british and mainly chzek weapons. and israelis loooove to use the words (the arab horde) when infact the arabs only had close to 30,000 soldiers at best where 2 soldiers would share a single rifle some times.

You are so funny, Arabs always had a large advantage in number of troops and weapons. I can find u eexact number of brigades.

2-1967 as stated above it was a surprise attack which they planned for 5 years prior (how can it be a pre-emptive strike when it was planned for so long) against the rise of the first signs of arabs uniting (the United Arab Republic) which the shame of defeat in this war put an end to this newly established nation.(correction I made a mistake here by involving the UAR I confused between the military agreement and the UAR sorry)

Wow, Egyptians rushed 6 divisions into Sinai, removed UN troops, started naval blocade of Israel, but when Israel retaliated they started to whine it was surprise attack?

3-1973 war was not won by the Israelis as they claim but in reality the Egyptians took back their sinai and kicked the israelis half way to the occupied land

LOL, thanks to suprise attack Egyptians captured a tiny strip near canal. But later Israel crossed canal back and surrounded entire Egyptian army.

they might have created a gap to circle the 3rd army at the time but a new force was going to sandwich that and would have been a clear israeli defeat

Oh Arabs and their fairy stories..

"the plight of Third Army was desperate"
"the 45,000 officers and men of Third Army were cut off"
"25 Oct 1100 hours: A meeting of the Armed Forces Supreme Council, the first since the outbreak of war. ...The main topic was, of course, how to open the road to Third Army. But though everyone spoke with passion, nobody could come up with a realistic plan."
"To stay alive the Third Army needed rather over 150 tons of supplies a day. The vast column of soft-skinned vehicles needed to carry such quantitiies would simply be an added burden on the tank crews of 4th Division as they fought their way down the road. "

These are words of Egyptian army chief Shazly.

but when for once they came against an armed group (Hizbullah) in southern Lebanon they siffered a humilating defeat

Yeah, and now i take ski on Golan heights and victor Nazrallah is hiding in bunker for 5 years already. Wish u more of such victories.

 

[nirreich]

you said ti yourself educated man power and i said "times they are a changing" regarding that very same purpose even tech wise we will beat you in less than 20 years from now. and when that time comes remember what I said.
Oh and we already gave you a peace initiative but you rejected it so it is clear which country doesn't want peace now doesn't it?

Israel is the best thing that happened to the ME. We set an example for all Arab countries what is an advanced country is.

In 20 years Israel will continue to progress while your civilisation would probably remain in its decays. 20 Years ago Arabs also think that by today they would be able to defeat Israel.

The Saudi peace initiative was a farce because it included the right of return and practically the elimination of Israel. So thank you, but no thank you.

 

[TruthSeeker]

Nothing more remote from the truth than the above description.

You should know by now that Israel is the US greatest asset which is committed to the US and aspire to help it to maintain its influence and world dominance.

The USA does not seek or want world dominance!! Please give me a list of two or three tangible benefits that Israel has done for the USA. Keep in mind, of course, that the USA has spent trillions of dollars and thousands of USA lives to protect Israel. So the Israel "taking from the USA" side of the ledger is vast. What is on the Israel "giving to the USA" side?

 

[TruthSeeker]

BTW, this topic has been discussed many times here at the PDF. For example:

http://www.defence.pk/forums/u-s-foreign-affairs/50073-us-has-no-better-friend-than-israel.html

 

[nirreich]

The USA does not seek or want world dominance!! Please give me a list of two or three tangible benefits that Israel has done for the USA. Keep in mind, of course, that the USA has spent trillions of dollars and thousands of USA lives to protect Israel. So the Israel "taking from the USA" side of the ledger is vast. What is on the Israel "giving to the USA" side?

The US wants to preserve its dominance and thank god for that.

Israel helped the US to take care of its interests in various ways: from getting the secret speech of Chroschov against Stalin, through studying Soviet weaponry systems, Helping to preserve the Pro-American Jordanian regime in 1970 and until today when its is the only stable country in the ME. Israel's is an asset to the US because it naturally fights against any radical element in this region who challenge the US: from Saddam in Iraq and Bashar in Stria (destroying their nuclear programmes) to Hizbuhalla in Lebanon who attacked American targets too and Iran and its ambitions against the US.

Open your eyes, Israel is on the US side!

 

[Zeeshan360]

Since America now attack Pakistan in whole media, Pakistan should switch to praise Israel's massive success on Liberty. Pakistanis no longer favor America.

Pakistan and Israel should start relationship as mutual friendship.

LoL . What do u mean to say ??