'The System'-by WAJsal

[hassan zohaib]

You're welcome.

Now, with your permission, we will return to the meat of the article. Please be assured, there are no spelling mistakes, and there are no grammatical errors. Just a budding intellect showing its first flowering.

Back to the topic.



He is urging people to see through this rather flimsy deception.

but i am talking about reality that people fail to ignore. anyways good in theory.

Sir one more thing article is written by a moderator and all you people are praising this average piece of low level work which is probably a complete copy of his lecturers lesson. What is so genius in this peace of Sh@tt.

Even the name The System what a brain fart is this should be some intellectual or interesting title plus the subject is worth reading.

bro, no doubt the contents of articles are so much repeated in media that they have become cliche but one thing you should keep in mind that atleast it is a good effort and helped to initiate the debate over this forum so if you really diagree with the writing then show your disagreement in a very respected and cautious matter and that is all about the conclusive debate.

 

[scorpionx]

What Musharraf has spoken today reflects the traditional disrespect for a democratic set up by the Military that is perennial since Pakistan’s journey as an independent nation-state. This is not the first time when the sense of a superiority of governance led or supported by Military over a Civilian led constitutional democracy has been expressed. Pakistani members must not have missed that, General Iskander Mirza said the same thing to Sir Alexander Symon, the British High-commissioner that Democracy is unsuited for a country like Pakistan way back in 1958. “If any undesirable elements” dominate the post electoral government, Mirza expressed desire an imminent intervention.

In the consequent years that passed only witnessed further degradation of democratic values, both by the Military and surprisingly by the civilian polity also. Behind the scene manipulation of political process (most prominently during Major General Sher Ali Khan as Information & National Affairs) became a standard practice by the army and the intelligence service. Civilian politicians continued to look up to the Military Institutions for staying in power. Incidents of overthrow of democratically elected governments became cyclic whenever the Military regime intended to.

What has been more disappointing is the autocratic nature of democratically elected governments. Sr.Bhutto was the first civilian government after almost two decades, and he had little patience with parliamentary niceties. Ironically his end came through the hand of another autocrat who repeatedly promised the nation for a free and fair election which remained an illusion during his life time. The movement for restoration of democracy (MRD) was brutally suppressed in the Southern province. Successive governments, be it Md.Khan Junejo, Mrs.Bhutto or Nawaz Sharif were dismissed whenever the Military institution wished. When Benazir Bhutto government was dismissed in 1996, the president told her the Army wanted her out and the COAS warned her that the president is about to dismiss her government.

All these events suggest one thing, that the nation builders of Pakistan had not given much thought on what system of governance is suitable for Pakistan and how to implement that system. Democracy in the beginning was seen as a Colonial luxury and unsuitable for a ethno-religiously diverse country like Pakistan. The autocratic system in the immediate Soviet Union was a stunning success where Stalin thought Singularity of National Philosophy was inevitable and indispensable for a country like Soviet Union. The threat of a bigger neighbour that was not only more resourceful but was also an essentially Hindu majority strengthened the apprehension gave rise to a political system that was perennially subservient to the mighty Military Institution. It also slowly gave birth to a notion that civilian politicians are essentially corrupt and inefficient and it is the duty of the Men in Uniform who are supposedly clean in intention and of superior morality would rescue the Pakistani Society whenever the exigency arises.

The outstanding efforts of previous army chiefs like Asif Nawaz or Abdul Waheed to limit the army’s role in parliamentary democracy had gone in vein. Pakistani members forgive me if I am wrong both in factually and in my interpretation, the sense of supra-constitutionality, institutionalizing the Military as the sole, invincible guardian of Pakistani national life and moral superiority over the civilian polity must diminish and slowly replaced with more and more emphasis on secular democratic institutions such as an efficient electoral system led by efficient Civil Servants, the judiciary and the press. Fortunately or unfortunately, the magic wand to transform the ‘System’ still lies in the hand of the Army.

 

[Grevion]

Democracy is slow, time-consuming, corruption prone and frustrating.

 

[Joe Shearer]

but i am talking about reality that people fail to ignore. anyways good in theory.


bro, no doubt the contents of articles are so much repeated in media that they have become cliche but one thing you should keep in mind that atleast it is a good effort and helped to initiate the debate over this forum so if you really diagree with the writing then show your disagreement in a very respected and cautious matter and that is all about the conclusive debate.

Thank you for your intervention. The post that you replied was a rude and uncouth post made attacking someone whose effort has been appreciated by some of the best on this forum. I really cannot understand this envious attitude, especially by a joker who cannot write English to save his life.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Thank you for your intervention. The post that you replied was a rude and uncouth post made attacking someone whose effort has been appreciated by some of the best on this forum. I really cannot understand this envious attitude, especially by a joker who cannot write English to save his life.

Sent you an email.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Mods: Please clean up the thread.


Sir they are the problem not the cure of the problem..... All the civil servants are highly educated who run the day to day administration of the country. These are the same guys who are in power despite a dictator rule or democratic rule.
Edit: Their attitude towards life and work ethic is very poor.


These feudals need to learn about the new age and art of collaboration/distribution of wealth in a trickle mood so that they are still in power with everyone happy with their lives.... Look to west this is what happens. Vast majority of people are busy with their lives/jobs/routines and the ruling elite still the same people but rules in shadows.....

Interesting thought.

Dictatorship in the guise of democracy.

But, in other ways, a reflection of the Marxian analysis.

 

[Grevion]

Not exactly if we choose presidential system which is lot better than current system situation would be instantly becomes better.

Federal republic and a parliamentary democracy is right for Pakistan. With Sindh, Baluchistan, Punjab, FATA and NW you guys have a diverse population and a representative National Assembly if corruption free can do wonders.

 

[Side-Winder]

@WAJsal Done Bro!

On topic: Democracy in our country needs some time to grow. So will the people and their way of thinking. Things will improve but not overnight. But if the dictators keep poking their noses, things will never improve.

 

[Shah01]

Interesting thought.

Dictatorship in the guise of democracy.

But, in other ways, a reflection of the Marxian analysis.

Well it would be more like soft control on policies which could benefit the businesses (i.e. tax benefits, contracts etc) but there is accountability to some extent. One has to understand that the elite is interested in money and power. On the other hand the populace get their necessities (bare minimum) provided together with law & order and swift justice. Win win situation.

 

[Green Arrow]

Democracy is the only way forward for Pakistan. With all its flaws and problems, this is the only system which is workable in Pakistan. All we need is uninterrupted democratic setup which will strengthen our institutions and will also deliver results in time to come.

 

[hassan zohaib]

Thank you for your intervention. The post that you replied was a rude and uncouth post made attacking someone whose effort has been appreciated by some of the best on this forum. I really cannot understand this envious attitude, especially by a joker who cannot write English to save his life.

actually bro ignore him because he is new and you , seniors on this forum, have to teach us.
so dont u worry.

 

[T-123456]

Fortunately or unfortunately, the magic wand to transform the ‘System’ still lies in the hand of the Army.

Not anymore,the Army used to be independent but no more,it doesnt have the power to do something(not just in my opinion).

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Dictatorship has not really been an efficient system anywhere in the world, any time in history, apart from there being no checks and balances in it

Wrong statement to make. South Korean dictator Park Chung-hee is the architect of the country enormous economic and industrial growth.

Also, where do you put the first four Caliphs under? They were dictators, one man show.

There is no right or wrong answer to this as to which system is better, it all depends on who is leader.

Just a food for thought, an alternate view, in worst form of dictatorship, you got one man stealing nations wealth, in worst form of democracy, however, you got an army of democrats looting the nation with both hands, like we see in Pakistan.

 

[scorpionx]

Not anymore,the Army used to be independent but no more,it doesnt have the power to do something(not just in my opinion).

Sir, it will be great if you elaborate a bit more.

 

[Moonlight]

A very good read. @WAJsal


My 2 cents...

Any form of government gives people its basic rights to outright rights, is welcomed. People don't care what system it is. As long as, they are living a good life and the leaders are giving them the basic human needs. A very legitimate demands.

And one particular form of government is not suitable for every kind of society.
Sometimes norms and culture and religion play a vital role in ruling a state. But whichever form governs people, is supposed to give people all their basic rights.

Dilemma of history of Pakistan is, when we come under dictatorship, the leader has this urge to govern the state like a democrat. And when an elected PM under democracy become to lead the state, he acts worse than a dictator.

This nation will be continuously swinging like pendulum from a dictator to a democrat. We even now are not living under democracy. We are being fooled in name of democracy.
Skeleton of Democracy!

The only solution I think is, awareness and eduction in people.
Majority people don't even know what rights they are being granted and what rights are taken away under any government. Also, very unfortunately, many people and majority people living rural areas don't even know what corruption is. And this is what we have to do, tell our people to stand up against corruption or for their rights.
When people stand up against the corrupt government, societies evolve.
And that's exactly what we need today.

Additionally, it's not just fault of one institution, Pakistan's justice system need a transformation too.
Fair and quick justice to everyone, from the street vendors to PM. Once the justice system is fixed, more than half of the problems will end right there.

Finally, It's not about democracy, but the entire system and the people who are representing the system. Leaders won't bother to fix the internal or external problems, unless it's creating obstacles in their lives. Citizens of a nation need to rise up against misuse of law and corruption.

Pakistan just need a good direction and it can become one best country, globally.

Alma Iqbal said centuries ago,

"Zara Num Ho To Yeh Mitti Bari Zar'khaiz Hai Saqi"



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