The story of a pious Muslim man and the reward he got from Allah SWT

[Pakistan Space Agency]

Seriously you believe that ? Who ever is steering is nit able to control the mind a person and you believe they are making the universe work.

The whole reason we're here is so our minds/hearts can be tested.

What to remember is, everything here has already happened, Day of Judgment is done, universe has been destroyed, we're already in our true places in the Hereafter as Allah is not bound by time like we are.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Why does your types always have two extremes : mostly revealed or full enclosed ? Why this obsession with women's clothing ? What about half-naked male bodybuilders or boxers showing themselves ? Are you not embarrassed by them ? Here's that British TJ idiot named Hijab showing himself half-naked in public :

So your pervertness is not confined to only seeing half-naked women? Get a life man

Do you know what Muslim men wear when they go for hajj?

He can't even read Surah Ikhlas. You're expecting too much from him

 

[Mujahid Memon]

Yes I did actually. Can you please read post# 21 ?

Then you need to brush up your English skills

 

[jamahir]

Totally his fault for not live streaming the lynch event.

I like how you consider lynchings in India to be so routine that people are being advised to stay calm and drink tea through the ordeal.

incredible India

Again, wasn't this "pious" student the one ready to cast the girl out into a possible lynch event ?

And I ask you, if a person took refuge in your house because of rioting outside would you offer them concern and tea or not ?

Half naked? Do you know what Muslim men wear when they go for hajj?

You're a joke.

I know what they wear but does it seem normal for men to go about unclothed in London in regular times like this Mr. Hijab ? Is he on hajj in London as per your logic ?

Then you need to brush up your English skills

My English is very well, thank you, but it is you who have to brush up your skills in rational debate.

He can't even read Surah Ikhlas. You're expecting too much from him

Yes I can't and I don't know how to pray but were those the things that attracted people to Islam initially and later, hundreds of years ago, 1400 years ago ? It were the progressive and rational socio-economic and political ideas in Islam which attracted the people and not some ritualist technicality that you ritualist "Muslims" think of as consisting the entirety of Islam. Understand what I am saying from the below sections from two threads of mine :

From my 2015 thread whose OP is by an Indian Christian woman who married an Indian Muslim under Islamic marriage law because that better secured her socio-economic future in case of divorce :

When we examine marriage laws in their historic context, it is interesting to note that the universally accepted notion that marriages are contractual rather than sacramental originates in Muslim law, which was accepted by the French law only in the 1800s and incorporated into the English law in the 1850s and became part of codified Hindu law as late as 1955. Today it appears to be the most practical way of dealing with the institution of marriage. Treating marriage as a sacrament which binds the parties for life has resulted in some of the most discriminatory practices against women such as sati and denial of right to divorce and remarriage, even in the most adverse conditions.

The cornerstone of a Muslim marriage is consent, ejab-o-qubul (proposal and acceptance) and requires the bride to accept the marriage proposal on her own free will. This freedom to consent (or refuse), which was given to Muslim women 1,400 years ago, is still not available under Hindu law since sacramental rituals such as saptapadi and kanya dan (seven steps round the nuptial fire and gifting of the bride to the groom) still form essential ceremonies of a Hindu marriage. Even after the codification of Hindu law, the notion of consent is not built into the marriage ceremonies.

The contract of marriage (nikahnama) allows for negotiated terms and conditions, it can also include the right to a delegated divorce (talaq-e-tafweez) where the woman is delegated the right to divorce her husband if any of the negotiated terms and conditions are violated.

Mehr is another unique concept of Muslim law meant to safeguard the financial future of the wife. It is an obligation, not a choice, and can be in the form of cash, valuables or securities. While there is no ceiling, a minimum amount to provide her security after marriage must be stipulated. This is a more beneficial concept than streedhan which is given by choice and usually by the natal family. In addition to Mehr, at the time of divorce, a Muslim woman has the right to fair and reasonable settlement, and this is statutorily recognised under the Muslim Women (Protection of Rights on Divorce) Act, 1986 as per the 2001 ruling of the Supreme Court in the Daniel Latifi case.

It is also important to address polygamy and triple talaq, two aspects of Muslim law which are generally used to discredit the community and argue in favour of a uniform civil code. While sharia law permits a man to have four wives (before 1956 Hindu law permitted unrestrained polygamy), it mandates equal treatment of all wives. If a man is not able to meet these conditions, he is not permitted to marry more than one woman. (Quran 4:3; Yusuf Ali’s translation)

On the other hand, though codification introduced monogamy for Hindus, the ground reality has not changed and Hindu men continue to be bigamous or polygamous. The most disturbing aspect is that while men in bigamous/adulterous relationships are allowed to go scot-free, it is the women who are made to pay the price. Women in invalid relationships with Hindu men are denied maintenance and protection and are referred to as “mistresses” and “concubines”, concepts specific to the uncodified Hindu law. Any attempt to codify Muslim law to bring in legal monogamy should not end up subjecting Muslim women to a plight similar to that of a Hindu second wife. This is an important concern which needs to be taken into account while reforming the Muslim law.

And lastly, the much maligned triple talaq or talaq-ul-biddat, which the Prophet himself considered as the most inappropriate form of divorce. Fortunately, in 2002, in Shamim Ara vs State of Uttar Pradesh & others, the Supreme Court laid down strict Quranic injunctions which must be followed at the time of pronouncing talaq, hence now fraudulent practices adopted by errant husbands (including email and SMS talaq) can no longer constitute valid talaq. Yet, after a decade and a half, very few know challenge the validity of such divorces in court as they are unaware about this ruling.

Though Muslim law stipulates many different ways to end a marriage, including a woman’s right to dissolve her marriage (khula), divorce by mutual consent (mubarra), delegated divorce (talaq-e-tafweez), judicial divorce (fasq)

From my 2016 thread who OP is by Pakistani journalist Nadeem Paracha and is about Socialist and Communist activism among Muslims since the early 1900s :

During the same period (1920s-30s), another (though lesser known) Islamic scholar in undivided India got smitten by the 1917 Russian revolution and Marxism.

Hafiz Rahman Sihwarwl saw Islam and Marxism sharing five elements in common: (1) prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes (2) organisation of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare (3) equality of opportunity for all human beings (4) priority of collective social interest over individual privilege and (5) prevention of the permanentising of class structure through social revolution.

The motivations for many of these themes he drew from the Qur’an, which he understood as seeking to create an economic order in which the rich pay excessive, though voluntary taxes (Zakat) to minimise differences in living standards.

In the areas that Sihwarwl saw Islam and communism diverge were Islam’s sanction of private ownership within certain limits, and in its refusal to recognise an absolutely classless basis of society.

He suggested that Islam, with its prohibition of the accumulation of wealth, is able to control the class structure through equality of opportunity.

Basically, both Sindhi and Sihwarwl had stumbled upon an Islamic concept of the social democratic welfare state.

Building upon the initial thoughts of Sindhi and Sihwarwl were perhaps South Asia’s two most ardent and articulate supporters and theoreticians of Islamic Socilaism: Ghulam Ahmed Parvez and Dr. Khalifa Abdul Hakim.

Parvez was a prominent ‘Quranist’, or an Islamic scholar who insisted that for the Muslims to make progress in the modern world, Islamic thought and laws should be entirely based on the modern interpretations of the Qu’ran and on the complete rejection of the hadith (sayings of the Prophet and his companions based on hearsay and compiled over a 100 years after the Prophet’s demise).

After studying traditional Muslim texts, as well as Sufism, Parvez claimed that almost all hadiths were fabrications by those who wanted Islam to seem like an intolerant faith and by ancient Muslim kings who used these hadiths to give divine legitimacy to their tyrannical rules.

Parvez also insisted that Muslims should spend more time studying the modern sciences instead of wasting their energies on fighting out ancient sectarian conflicts or ignoring the true egalitarian and enlightening spirit of the Qu’ran by indulging in multiple rituals handed down to them by ancient ulema, clerics and compilers of the hadith.

Understandably, Parvez was right away attacked by conservative Islamic scholars and political outfits.

But this didn’t stop famous Muslim philosopher and poet, Muhammad Iqbal, to befriend the young scholar and then introduce him to the future founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah.

Jinnah appointed Parvez to edit a magazine, Talu-e-Islam. It was set-up to propagate the creation of a separate Muslim country and to also answer the attacks that Jinnah’s All India Muslim League had begun to face from conservative Islamic parties and ulema who accused the League of being a pseudo-Muslim organisation and Jinnah for being too westernised and ‘lacking correct Islamic behavior.’

Apart from continuing to author books and commentaries on the Qu’ran, Parvez wrote a series of articles in Talu-e-Islam that propagated a more socialistic view of the holy book.

In a series of essays for the magazine he used verses from the Qu’ran, incidents from the faith’s history and insights from the writings of Muhammad Iqbal to claim:

The clergy and conservative ulema have hijacked Islam.

They are agents of the rich people and promoters of uncontrolled Capitalism.

Socialism best enforces Qur’anic dictums on property, justice and distribution of wealth.

Islam’s main mission was the eradication of all injustices and cruelties from society. It was a socio-economic movement, and the Prophet was a leader seeking to put an end to the capitalist exploitation of the Quraysh merchants and the corrupt bureaucracy of Byzantium and Persia.

According to the Qur’an, Muslims have three main responsibilities: seeing, hearing and sensing through the agency of the mind. Consequently, real knowledge is based on empirically verifiable observation, or through the role of science.

Poverty is the punishment of God and deserved by those who ignore science.

In Muslim/Islamic societies, science, as well as agrarian reform should play leading roles in developing an industrialised economy.

A socialist path is a correction of the medieval distortion of Islam through Shari’a.

Does your neighborhood mullah, who knows all the surahs unlike me, know all the above things ? Does he have the intellect, the rationality ?

 

[graphican]

Whether true or not, the story has a right message. "Save yourself from the hellfire that you cannot tolerate hereafter".

 

[AgnosticIndian]

The guy needs to be reminded of hellfire to not touch a girl without her consent? that's fucked up.
but you know what? still better than most of South Asia. proud of him.

 

[Mujahid Memon]

The guy needs to be reminded of hellfire to not touch a girl without her consent? that's fucked up.
but you know what? still better than most of South Asia. proud of him.

What if there was consent?

 

[jamahir]

What if there was consent?

Tell me, you go about advising the "angels in the hereafter" to whip Asma al Assad because she doesn't wear a burqa, which groups of sensible and rational technological and political revolutionaries across the world take you as a hero ? Are you a mix of Che Guevara, Gaddafi and Elon Musk ? What is your fascination with covering up women in burqas and policing their thoughts and deeds ? Do you want the irrational, CIA-agent mullahs to be proud of you ?

 

[jamahir]

and the liberal brigade is arriving in 3...2..1.

Arrived.

 

[AZMwi]

Arrived.

u r few months late. now go back to whatever u were doing. adios