The role of the EU in the current crisis between east and west and how to solve this?

[ChineseTiger1986]

A lot of Tajiks are Russians. As a matter of fact, Russian is an official language in Tajikistan.

These Tajiks are not Russians, but they might share a common continental Nordic ancestry.

The Tajik Nordics and the Russian Nordics are more closely related to each other than to the Scandinavian Nordics.

 

[AUz]

No, thats not what i asked. I asked what you are?

"traditional european culture is as disgusting as asian traditional culture. Traditions are disgusting per se and bind humanity in the past. Just look at your place of origin...Traditions must be crushed, cultures and nations must be crushed.

You are hiding your helplessness in the face of stark reality that you can not do anything to preserve yourself..and that your culture is pretty much dead.

Cultures are always "evolving" ...nobody is making the argument that you stay what you were 2000 years ago. But an evolving culture and "multi-culture" are different things.

Look at China--they have their own culture..own people..ever evolving...and present in 21st century. You don't see replacing of Chinese culture with multi-culture. You don't see Chinese cities with Arab, Indian, Pakistani, African, European, Japanese peoples in their millions with their own cultures, languages, and civilizational presence.

So in essence...traditional China is alive (which has evolved with time) in 21st century.

Same can't be said of Europe.

Evolving is one thing..as all surviving cultures evolve within themselves ....but seeing your culture become a completely different thing is another. Europe has no culture of its own now. It has different cultures integrated into a wider culture..with millions of non-Europeans with their own culture, religion, languages, food, customs, dresses, and what not.

We live in the 21st century. The global world divides between the Uber Humans and the low subhumans.

Exactly. And subhumans are people like you who are not able to comprehend reality of existence while they are in the process of their own existence!!!

I was reading yesterday a new official report that discusses the fact that in Birmingham today, there are more Muslim children than Christian children. That is not "evolution" of culture...that is complete replacement of a culture...

 

[mike2000]

Nope neither Germany nor Russia are superpower, but Russia is on par with EU in term of millitary deterrence and to an less extend in global politics. However EU is a " symbolic superpower" under the leadership of US

Dont mind him, he thinks Russia is some kind of Superpower still, this is not 1960s(US.S.R).lol we are in 2014 Russia. Its economy is even smaller than Italy and Brazil.The hell even China with an economy almost 5 times that of Russia and growing, but its still nowhere close to a superpower(far from it). Coupled with the fact that even more developing/emerging countries like India, Indonesia,Turkey etc are growing way more faster than Russia and will in a decade or two overtake it. This will eman Russia's world influence/relevance will decrease even more.

As i said before, the only meanigful thing Russia has which still makes it relevant today in the world is OIL/GAS, and its remaining Soviet era arms industry, nothing more. Ask yourself, if Russias oil/gas was to finish today, where will it stand? nowhere. It will be even much more smaller in significance than it is today. That's the simple truth. 21st Century battles will be mostly fought economically/industrially/technologically, cyber space not militarily. So Russia will better start investing more in its industries, science, technology, manufacturing, and high tech production which are more sustainable than oil/gas prices(which tend to fluctuate) and lay a more solid foundation for its future growth.

As for the E.U, it seems you are underestimating us. Economically we are even bigger than the U.S. much less Russia. And militarily we can be more than a match for Russia. In fact we still export weapons/technology to Russia(like the recent mistral class sale to Russia, and many other German tech exports to Russia). And most of the world financial industry is based in the E.U e.g SWIFT through which all the worlds financial transactions are processed, with this alone, we can bankrupt a country and cut it off from the world economy. This is not taking into consideration other sectors in which we still lead. So yes yes we might be subordinate to the U.S (who is still by far more powerful economically,technologically and mitarily than any nation on earth), but we are way stronger than both Russia or China.

 

[Superboy]

lol we are in 2014 Russia. Its economy is even smaller than Italy and Brazil.The hell even China with an economy almost 5 times that of Russia and growing, but its still nowhere close to a superpower(far from it).

Economy means nothing. Economy is about money. Money is about numbers. Numbers are infinite. Back then money used to be counted in the thousands, in the millions. Now money is counted in the billions, in the trillions. Soon money will be counted in the quadrillions, in the quintillions. Doesn't make a difference at all.

Ask yourself, if Russias oil/gas was to finish today, where will it stand? nowhere.

Russia is a technological superpower. Russia's space program is second to none. Russia's military technology is second to none.

 

[mike2000]

You are hiding your helplessness in the face of stark reality that you can not do anything to preserve yourself..and that your culture is pretty much dead.

Cultures are always "evolving" ...nobody is making the argument that you stay what you were 2000 years ago. But an evolving culture and "multi-culture" are different things.

Look at China--they have their own culture..own people..ever evolving...and present in 21st century. You don't see replacing of Chinese culture with multi-culture. You don't see Chinese cities with Arab, Indian, Pakistani, African, European, Japanese peoples in their millions with their own cultures, languages, and civilizational presence.

So in essence...traditional China is alive (which has evolved with time) in 21st century.

Same can't be said of Europe.

Evolving is one thing..as all surviving cultures evolve within themselves ....but seeing your culture become a completely different thing is another. Europe has no culture of its own now. It has different cultures integrated into a wider culture..with millions of non-Europeans with their own culture, religion, languages, food, customs, dresses, and what not.



Exactly. And subhumans are people like you who are not able to comprehend reality of existence while they are in the process of their own existence!!!

I was reading yesterday a new official report that discusses the fact that in Birmingham today, there are more Muslim children than Christian children. That is not "evolution" of culture...that is complete replacement of a culture...

So what do you suggest? That we deport all immigrants from Europe/U.S ? starting with you i guess.

However, i agree that our governments have taken a too light/tolerant view of uncontrolled immigration. They have this tendency of always wanting to try to be too politically correct/apologetic, which you cant ever see any Asian country officials being apologetic for their decisions to limit immigration. Yet ironically, even with all these, you people still criticise us for being Racists.lol meanwhile we are by far the most tolerant towards others.

Ithink we should strive to find a balance between attracting skilled immigrants who are willing to intergrate with us and unskilled ones who have no intention of intergrating with our local values/culture.

 

[UKBengali]

lol....

Apart from the UK, only France can make all parts of an aircraft engine. Still UK is ahead of France and on par with US.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Apart from the UK, only France can make all parts of an aircraft engine. Still UK is ahead of France and on par with US.

The gas turbine technology has many common grounds with the turbofan technology.

See how the British gas turbine technology is ahead of its French counterpart, you will see the clue here.

 

[mike2000]

Economy means nothing. Economy is about money. Money is about numbers. Numbers are infinite. Back then money used to be counted in the thousands, in the millions. Now money is counted in the billions, in the trillions. Soon money will be counted in the quadrillions, in the quintillions. Doesn't make a difference at all.




Russia is a technological superpower. Russia's space program is second to none. Russia's military technology is second to none.

loool Economy means nothing? then why is the Soviet Union(which was a military super power) now resting in its grave?
Even your leaders have understood that military power without a strong/sound economy means nothing and is doomed. Your ally North Korea still hasnt understood that.

So dont underestimate economic power, its mainly through Economic/technological power and its tech companies that the U.S is still able to keep on being the top dog, and has penetrated virtually the entire wolrd with its companies/influence. Hence it enables it to use these to run the world largest spy machine/capablity, which countries like Russia can only dream of. A strong/sound economy/tech companies have many spin offs bro.

 

[AUz]

So what do you suggest? That we deport all immigrants from Europe/U.S ? starting with you i guess.

However, i agree that our governments have taken a too light/tolerant view of uncontrolled immigration. They have this tendency of always wanting to try to be too politically correct/apologetic, which you cant ever see any Asian country officials being apologetic for their decisions to limit immigration. Yet ironically, even with all these, you people still criticise us for being Racists.lol meanwhile we are by far the most tolerant towards others.

Ithink we should strive to find a balance between attracting skilled immigrants who are willing to intergrate with us and unskilled ones who have no intention of intergrating with our local values/culture.

Don't worry.

If you aren't an idiot like Markus who believes in "inherent genetic European superiority" ...then you have no qualms here.

I am just playing around with that uneducated gypsy who will always come up with ridiculous threads trying to portray EU as the center of Universe and would then want us to discuss it.

Nobody discusses it and all of us make fun of his delusions... and troll him.

Hence you see some ridiculous posts from our side too

And your government just needs to have better policies towards multiculturalism. Immigrants and specially their kids must learn the local language, respect local laws, and be loyal to the land they live in.

In return, Europe should also facilitate the new comers with open arms. Not unlike France where Le Pen urged school to remove any pork-free food so children (Muslim/Jews) would either eat pork like french..or go home

lol..

 

[Superboy]

loool Economy means nothing? then why is the Soviet Union(which was a military super power) now resting in its grave?

Belavezha Accords - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Now that the traitor Yeltsin is dead, his padwan Putin must work to rebuild Russian Empire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Speeder 2]

If you read the comments of the typical internet warriors in this forums you could get the impression that the EU, whic is basicly governed from germany, should support russia 100%. But those totally ignore the situation the EU faces.

The USA and Russia have not much trade ties. They can easily pull the most absurd sanctions over each other.

The EU is the worlds greatest economy and the center of the globalized world as we know it. The largest trade partner of the EU are the USA. Russia is an economic dwarf but the EU gets much of its energy from there. You can see in chancellor Merkels diplomacy that she tries to balance this and take all aspects into account.

Eastern EU member states as poland and latvia or estonia don´t trust russia and see it as a security risk. They demand much more actions. Merkel did not allow that the security contracts with russia get broken nor does she allow that the contact gets ripped off. On the other side she has to counter russian agression and show that the security of the EU has her full support.

It is unfortunate that her original approach to hold contact with Putin did not work. So far she was the only world leader who did meet with Putin and acted normal with him. She prevented harsher actions against russia. Both cameron and hollande are too weak and nothing in the EU can be done against Merkels will. This here was just few days before the shot down of MH 17

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But the destruction of MH 17 was a game changer. It made the diplomacy of chancellor Merkel obsolete. I dont want speculate who shot down the airplane. But the basic fact is, that this event makes the approach of Merkel impossible right now.

But how can this conflict be solved? As bad as it is, this is not the business of the Ukraine. Its business between the EU and Russia.

Bot giants have their security issues. Russia fears NATO at its boarders and the eastern EU lands fear russian troops close their boarders. I think russia realized that it lost western Ukraine. It was never close to russia and always orientated more towards western europe. This is a simple fact. Eastern ukraine is a different issue. Nobody can denie there are much russians who are unhappy with the current situation. But the local support for seperation is also very small. Maybe best option would be a federal state there, neutral and similar to switzerland. Serving both sides security interests, EU and russia.

Thats my two cents about this and i would like to hear your opinions. Because the worst thing we can have is a new cold war and lost decade. In the end we must accept each other. Russia won´t go and we won´t go either and a solution must be found where both sides can live with.

still pretending being a German or Italian after so long? A warning to you is that once they find out, they probably would deport you back to your gypsy natural inhabitat in Romania if not directly to the origin - northern india.


nonetheless, who showed you that kindergarden-level of int'l geopolitik you put on show here? it's laughable. Allow me lesson you a bit:

1. Besides a common currency trading bloc which it originally was and still is, the EU is NO country, far away from it. pls refrain from comparing the EU to China in any respect, since the latter has been the world's eldest continuous polity since 221BC. China and the EU are entirely 2 different entities geopolitically speaking and operate at entirely 2 different leagues on the world stage.

2. none of the EU politicians is elected - over the vast majority of people of true Euro heritage say "NO" to the fake sovereign entity called the EU.

3. Germany is an economic giant, but a military and int'l geoplitik midget! the reason for that is simple: ask any of 30,000 or wahtever US troopers stationed in Germany and he will point you the way with his rifle. Germany hence is a sh!tty servant, a cheap tool, and a vassel client state of the USA's interests indeed. don't kid yourself to compare germany with russia in this sense, as whenever a spokeman of some unknown 3-grade US state official says "Jump" in Washington, Merkel will ask "how high", whereas no matter how small russia's economy is compared to germany, at least ruskies are the masters of their own fate and country. ...that's even before counting the # of nukes.

 

[Superboy]

Your ally North Korea still hasnt understood that.

You can be sure North Korea will live well into the next century.

So dont underestimate economic power, its mainly through Economic/technological power and its tech companies that the U.S is still able to keep on being the top dog, and has penetrated virtually the entire wolrd with its companies/influence.

Americans can't even build F-35 anymore. Compared to their parents who built the magnificent F-16, they are way dumber with every generation.

 

[mike2000]

Don't worry.

If you aren't an idiot like Markus who believes in "inherent genetic European superiority" ...then you have no qualms here.

I am just playing around with that uneducated gypsy who will always come up with ridiculous threads trying to portray EU as the center of Universe and would then want us to discuss it.

Nobody discusses it and all of us make fun of his delusions... and troll him.

Hence you see some ridiculous posts from our side too

And your government just needs to have better policies towards multiculturalism. Immigrants and specially their kids must learn the local language, respect local laws, and be loyal to the land they live in.

In return, Europe should also facilitate the new comers with open arms. Not unlike France where Le Pen urged school to remove any pork-free food so children (Muslim/Jews) would either eat pork like french..or go home

lol..

I agree with that your point. But our officials think by enacting/implementing laws that will enable/make it compulsory for Immigrants and their kids to learn the local language, respect local laws, and be loyal to the country, it will be considered as being intolerant towards/picking on immigrants. Thats the reasonnthey keep hovering around such issues instead of taking it seriously and implementing them.

You can be sure North Korea will live well into the next century.




Americans can't even build F-35 anymore. Compared to their parents who built the magnificent F-16, they are way dumber with every generation.

lol America still builds the best war planes/fighter jets in the world by far(wwhich many countries including China can only dream of). Nobody even comes close. Reason why your officials have been constantly pleading with the U.S to lift the arms/tech embargo on China. If the U.S lifts the Sanctions today, im sure there will be lots of weapons you people will be lining up to buy or at least 'partner' with U.S companies to produce locally unbder license like you do with Russia, But only that U.S weapons are way way more advance than that of Russia, so im afraid if that happens Russia wont even be able to make some billions off you and India anymore. so it will be even more catastrophic for them and their arms industry than you.

 

[Audio]

Apart from the UK, only France can make all parts of an aircraft engine. Still UK is ahead of France and on par with US.

Well that just proves my point, as he was implying w/o RR nothing can be done. Additionally, MTU has some expertise in the field, from the EJ-200 to various components for US mainstream engines.

 

[MarkusS]

Um nop. Why would anyone want to live in a polluted industrial country like Germany?

germany is one of the most clean nations world wide. While russia is one of the most toxic.