The role of the EU in the current crisis between east and west and how to solve this?

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West failed to develop anything like that in Islamic World.

West runs all the big players (oil ppl) in Islamic world. There's no way around this, and you're just butthurt. And you keep hiding behind "Europe-dead, Islam all over" yadayadayada....
It makes me happy, to read your OCD inspired posts, because i know that all you can do is type angry stuff, pretending to come from imagined position of relevance and power. You're sweet. Delusional, but sweet.

btw fyi, Islamic culture = relegated to the fringes. In part due to extremists like yourself who spout obvious BS. People shun it, apart from prisoners who are eager to repent, and women too ugly or complicated to be a match for anyone sane.

If you don't believe this, ask around, ask some Muslim from UK, on this forum even, what's been happening there recently.

Thankfully, the majority of Muslims in central Europe are Albanians, Bosnians and Turks. Too smart for radicalisation. Would rather work.

 

[Neptune]

Islamic Culture = Adherence to Islamic religion, adherence to Islamic Law (such as fasting in Ramadan, personal hygiene, circumcision of new born etc), learning Arabic as language of prayer/rituals, adherence to Islamic dress-code (Hijabs, covered shoulders and clothes below knees etc.), sense of brotherhood for fellow Muslims, using terms like "Assalam-o-Alaikum" to communicate with fellow Muslims no matter what their ethnic origin is, preference to eat Halal food, subscribing to Islamic social norms such as no making out in public and so on and on...

Now all of the above things are what constitute Islamic culture (I just listed a few..there are many others)...

There are billions of people around the globe that adhere to the above mentioned cultural traits...tens of millions of them in heart of West!

Hence Islamic Civilization is a global civilization present everywhere and thriving even in the Western heartlands. You can't say the same for any other civilization out there.



Dude, your picture itself shows Islamic Culture in Dubai. Look at the dress of women

Moreover, Dubai has MORE foreigners than Muslims...so it is an idiotic example to show.

Lastly, just because there is a Christmas tree in some mall..it doesn't mean that Dubai has become part of "West" and has left Islamic Civilizational Fold.

In USA, Empire State Building turns "green" as Ramadan starts (in respect of Ramadan)...does that mean U.S has become "Islamic"

Your reasoning is amazingly shallow and childish.



Successful cultures adapt, evolve and spread even further. For example, Islamic Culture and Civilization.

Weak cultures just perish. For example, European culture...which has now all but gone. And a multiculture has taken over Europe.



No, we need a 'globalized' existence in which different cultures are integrated together peacefully and work together for mutual progress of humanity

There can't be "one" single culture for all humans.



I agree. I won't say cultures should stand only on science..since cultures never stand on one thing...but science must take extreme preference..specially over fairy tales!



Good for you.

However, overwhelming majority of Turkish girls would not wear Bikini. Turks, despite being THE most secular country in Islamic World, have voted an Islamic party to power again and again and again over the past decade. Hundreds of girls in Turkey wear Bikini once in a while.

Millions of girls in Turkey wear Hijab every day.

Tells you alot, doesn't it?

I can show you pictures of American white girls wearing Hijab. Does that prove anything?

Wont be more than 7 million at a 76 million country.

A study had shown that 26% of Turkish women prefer bikinis.

 

[MarkusS]

Islamic Culture = Adherence to Islamic religion, adherence to Islamic Law (such as fasting in Ramadan, personal hygiene, circumcision of new born etc), learning Arabic as language of prayer/rituals, adherence to Islamic dress-code (Hijabs, covered shoulders and clothes below knees etc.), sense of brotherhood for fellow Muslims, using terms like "Assalam-o-Alaikum" to communicate with fellow Muslims no matter what their ethnic origin is, preference to eat Halal food, subscribing to Islamic social norms such as no making out in public and so on and on...

Now all of the above things are what constitute Islamic culture (I just listed a few..there are many others)...

There are billions of people around the globe that adhere to the above mentioned cultural traits...tens of millions of them in heart of West!

Hence Islamic Civilization is a global civilization present everywhere and thriving even in the Western heartlands. You can't say the same for any other civilization out there.



Dude, your picture itself shows Islamic Culture in Dubai. Look at the dress of women

Moreover, Dubai has MORE foreigners than Muslims...so it is an idiotic example to show.

Lastly, just because there is a Christmas tree in some mall..it doesn't mean that Dubai has become part of "West" and has left Islamic Civilizational Fold.

In USA, Empire State Building turns "green" as Ramadan starts (in respect of Ramadan)...does that mean U.S has become "Islamic"

Your reasoning is amazingly shallow and childish.



Successful cultures adapt, evolve and spread even further. For example, Islamic Culture and Civilization.

Weak cultures just perish. For example, European culture...which has now all but gone. And a multiculture has taken over Europe.



No, we need a 'globalized' existence in which different cultures are integrated together peacefully and work together for mutual progress of humanity

There can't be "one" single culture for all humans.



I agree. I won't say cultures should stand only on science..since cultures never stand on one thing...but science must take extreme preference..specially over fairy tales!



Good for you.

However, overwhelming majority of Turkish girls would not wear Bikini. Turks, despite being THE most secular country in Islamic World, have voted an Islamic party to power again and again and again over the past decade. Hundreds of girls in Turkey wear Bikini once in a while.

Millions of girls in Turkey wear Hijab every day.

Tells you alot, doesn't it?

I can show you pictures of American white girls wearing Hijab. Does that prove anything?

As we visited the blue mosque in Istanbul my girl took off the cover from her hair. And she is from jordan. She says she can wear whatever clothes she wants. And thats cool. She looks hot.

Your claim about european culture is laughable at best. You already got warnings from the admins because this bullshit. You should leave this insults. Or you could be banned.

As for islamic "culture". I find it unfortunate that islamic countries live in so much poverty, chaos and backwardness. They lose against the west, they lose against asia. There is not one big middle eastern global worldwide corporation that shapes the world like our corporations. There is no science from there, no trends. And this is sad, to have no future.

West runs all the big players (oil ppl) in Islamic world. There's no way around this, and you're just butthurt. And you keep hiding behind "Europe-dead, Islam all over" yadayadayada....
It makes me happy, to read your OCD inspired posts, because i know that all you can do is type angry stuff, pretending to come from imagined position of relevance and power. You're sweet. Delusional, but sweet.

btw fyi, Islamic culture = relegated to the fringes. In part due to extremists like yourself who spout obvious BS. People shun it, apart from prisoners who are eager to repent, and women too ugly or complicated to be a match for anyone sane.

If you don't believe this, ask around, ask some Muslim from UK, on this forum even, what's been happening there recently.

Thankfully, the majority of Muslims in central Europe are Albanians, Bosnians and Turks. Too smart for radicalisation. Would rather work.

Thats what i say. I can only laugh about his nonsense. It is so far from reality, thatits almost comical.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

As for islamic countries. This is in turkey. And she liked me quite alot.

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Is that you? You look very Middle Easterner or even Indian when you got tanned.

 

[MarkusS]

Is that you? You look very Middle Easterner or even Indian when you got tanned.

yes its me. I´m half italian / half german. I´m quite dark in summer . Of course i look middle eastern. Thats how italians look like. The entire mediterranean sea created a melting pot for thousands of years. It was all the roman empire for many hundred years and people created basicly the "mediterranean type". From genetic point of view boarders and ethnicities in the med region are more cultural and historical.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

yes its me. I´m half italian / half german. I´m quite dark in summer . Of course i look middle eastern. Thats how italians look like. The entire mediterranean sea created a melting pot for thousands of years. It was all the roman empire for many hundred years and people created basicly the "mediterranean type". From genetic point of view boarders and ethnicities in the med region are more cultural and historical.

Yeah, I like Med girls too, and the Med race is even more dispersed than the Nordic race.

Here is the Med girl from China.

 

[MarkusS]

Yeah, I like Med girls too, and the Med race is even more dispersal than the Nordic race.

Here is the Med girl from China.

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If you look at history of italy for example. It was first settled from etruskians. Later greeks made colonies there and mixed with the locals. The hellenic world was also what is today anatolia. Later the roman empire was founded and it traces its history back to Aeneas. A man born in troy. And then in rome all mixed completly. No matter where you came from. If i would be born in rome directly and become a soldier, would be deployed at Alexandria in egypt or Ephesos in today turkey. Get a girl there and so on. It did not matter where you came from in rome. A man from spain became emperor and also one from syria. The mediterranean sea allowed this because the empire spanned completly around it. Our ancestors called it "mare nostrum", our sea. Because the empire controlled it completly.

I know our empire also had contact with China. It is very interesting. Our emperor Marcus Aurelius send an expedition to China.

China believed it is the only great empire worldwide, when it learned about rome and saw it as dualism. Rome as the western equivalent of China. Like Yin and Yang.

You have some med like people in china? Interesting. maybe it goes back to this old trade.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

If you look at history of italy for example. It was first settled from etruskians. Later greeks made colonies there and mixed with the locals. The hellenic world was also what is today anatolia. Later the roman empire was founded and it traces its history back to Aeneas. A man born in troy. And then in rome all mixed completly. No matter where you came from. If i would be born in rome directly and become a soldier, would be deployed at Alexandria in egypt or Ephesos in today turkey. Get a girl there and so on. It did not matter where you came from in rome. A man from spain became emperor and also one from syria. The mediterranean sea allowed this because the empire spanned completly around it. Our ancestors called it "mare nostrum", our sea. Because the empire controlled it completly.

I know our empire also had contact with China. It is very interesting. Our emperor Marcus Aurelius send an expedition to China.

China believed it is the only great empire worldwide, when it learned about rome and saw it as dualism. Rome as the western equivalent of China. Like Yin and Yang.

You have some med like people in china? Interesting. maybe it goes back to this old trade.

The girl above is ethnically Tajik (East Iranian), since all modern Iranians are Med, only the historical Iranians such as Scythians and Sarmatians were continental Nordic like the Slavs.

But this girl could have some ancient Roman ancestry? And she is also from Northwest China, where a group of Roman soldiers used to settle there after a defeated war campaign against Persia.

She looks half Chinese/half Italian to me, and her nose also looks very Italian.

 

[MarkusS]

The girl above is ethnically Tajik (East Iranian), since all modern Iranians are Med, only the historical Iranians such as Scythians and Sarmatians were continental Nordic like the Slavs.

But this girl could have some ancient Roman ancestry? And she is also from Northwest China, where a group of Roman soldiers used to settle there after a defeated war campaign against Persia.

She looks half Chinese/half Italian to me, and her nose also looks very Italian.

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we learned our love for noodled from china. Marco Polo brought them to italy and we went crazy for it. ;P And now our spaghetti and all the other variants are world famous ha ha

 

[AUz]

West runs all the big players (oil ppl) in Islamic world.

So what?

There is no 'running' .....Mutual benefits of elites. Petro Dollar system benefits American elite AND Saudi elite.

But that is not even the topic. I'm talking in regards to civilizational and cultural spread and you are talking in regards to temporary power politics.

The fact is that Islamic Civilization established itself in the heart of Europe with tens of millions of Muslim Europeans. West couldn't do even a iota compared to that in Islamic World.

Cultural influence and interaction is one thing, and has been going on since forever (For example, Pakistanis eating McDonalds..Americans eating Kababs etc)...but physical presence of Islamic Civilization in the heart of West is a fact now. No such thing when it comes to Western Civilization in Islamic World.

Here's a food for though...

- In 1900, West barely had any mosques...now it has thousands of them.
- In 1900, Westerners didn't had any idea what 'Hijab' was...now it is a common site for Western citizens, Western universities etc.
- In 1900, Western masses had no idea what Halal food meant..now, there is a thriving halal industry throughout West...
- In 1900, West didn't even have a clue what Ramadan is, now you have special Ramadan programming on U.K television. Empire State building turns green marking the start of Ramadan and so on.
- In 1900, West didn't have any clue what "Islamic Finance" was, now--UK's prime-minister wants to make his capital the "capital of Islamic Finance"---since his capital has such a big market of Islamic peoples...

In short, the rival global civilization spread and established itself in the heart of West...with tens of millions of people in the Western heartlands having Islamic worldview, practicing/spread Islamic culture, building Islamic architecture, bringing Islamic traditions, foods, and dresses in, and integrating in the wider society while keeping their unique Islamic identity/culture -----hence, making Islam an inevitable civilizational reality in the West on physical, permanent level. So much so, that Germany is now talking about having classes on Islam in public schools for 'better cohesion' of German society...

A big Mashallah to all of that...

Can you show me any such physical spread of Western World into the realm of Islam? No where.

All you can show is Western brands and business relations..and that has been going on since centuries..not only with west..but with China, India, Far East as well. But there is no physical, permanent presence of Western Civilization spanning tens of millions in heartland Islamic Lands .

While on the other hand

A child in Birmingham is now more likely to be a Muslim than Christian | Daily Mail Online

There's no way around this,

There's no way around what I have said above.

It makes me happy, to read your OCD inspired posts, because i know that all you can do is type angry stuff, pretending to come from imagined position of relevance and power. You're sweet. Delusional, but sweet.

haha..the very fact that you'll bring OCD, angry, and butthurt type words into response shows how pathetically insecure you are. Dude, this is an online forum. No one here takes words to the heart and think about them all day...except may be sad dudes living empty lives such as yourself.

I surely have more relevance than someone from Swizterland. Your nation is so irrelevant that even Hitler...even Hitler...bypassed it and didn't invade.

I live in America..the country to which entire Europe is prostitute. I will come at you from the position of relevance and power.

btw fyi, Islamic culture = relegated to the fringes. In part due to extremists like yourself who spout obvious BS. People shun it, apart from prisoners who are eager to repent, and women too ugly or complicated to be a match for anyone sane.

Evidence?

All what I've said are facts and stated so by Western information agencies (Increasing mosques, more girls wearing Hijabs than ever, Halal meat industry growing more so than ever, Western brands now coming up with 'Islamic Clothing', Islamic Finance growing in Western world in ever so increasing manner, number of mosques increasing, and so on and on).

All signs...all the data..shows only one thing: Presence of Islamic Culture and Civilization has not only been consolidated in the heart of West...it has been increasing even further!

Even non-practicing peoples from Islamic background identify with Islamic Culture, stand up for Islamic causes, and take part in issues with their own perspective.

For example, I know many not-so-practicing Muslims who go tooth and nail on Israel-Palestine issue..educated their peers about Palestinian suffering..and fight for the civil rights of Muslims in America/Europe.

This shows that even members who you will not regard as 'visible' Muslims act in a way that reflects the presence of another civilization in the midst of West...

Thankfully, the majority of Muslims in central Europe are Albanians, Bosnians and Turks. Too smart for radicalisation. Would rather work.

GOOD.

Radicalization is worse for us than for you.

 

[MarkusS]

So what?

There is no 'running' .....Mutual benefits of elites. Petro Dollar system benefits American elite AND Saudi elite.

But that is not even the topic. I'm talking in regards to civilizational and cultural spread and you are talking in regards to temporary power politics.

The fact is that Islamic Civilization established itself in the heart of Europe with tens of millions of Muslim Europeans. West couldn't do even a iota compared to that in Islamic World.

Cultural influence and interaction is one thing, and has been going on since forever (For example, Pakistanis eating McDonalds..Americans eating Kababs etc)...but physical presence of Islamic Civilization in the heart of West is a fact now. No such thing when it comes to Western Civilization in Islamic World.

Here's a food for though...

- In 1900, West barely had any mosques...now it has thousands of them.
- In 1900, Westerners didn't had any idea what 'Hijab' was...now it is a common site for Western citizens, Western universities etc.
- In 1900, Western masses had no idea what Halal food meant..now, there is a thriving halal industry throughout West...
- In 1900, West didn't even have a clue what Ramadan is, now you have special Ramadan programming on U.K television. Empire State building turns green marking the start of Ramadan and so on.
- In 1900, West didn't have any clue what "Islamic Finance" was, now--UK's prime-minister wants to make his capital the "capital of Islamic Finance"---since his capital has such a big market of Islamic peoples...

In short, the rival global civilization spread and established itself in the heart of West...with tens of millions of people in the Western heartlands having Islamic worldview, practicing/spread Islamic culture, building Islamic architecture, bringing Islamic traditions, foods, and dresses in, and integrating in the wider society while keeping their unique Islamic identity/culture -----hence, making Islam an inevitable civilizational reality in the West on physical, permanent level. So much so, that Germany is now talking about having classes on Islam in public schools for 'better cohesion' of German society...

A big Mashallah to all of that...

Can you show me any such physical spread of Western World into the realm of Islam? No where.

All you can show is Western brands and business relations..and that has been going on since centuries..not only with west..but with China, India, Far East as well. But there is no physical, permanent presence of Western Civilization spanning tens of millions in heartland Islamic Lands .

While on the other hand

A child in Birmingham is now more likely to be a Muslim than Christian | Daily Mail Online



There's no way around what I have said above.





haha..the very fact that you'll bring OCD, angry, and butthurt type words into response shows how pathetically insecure you are. Dude, this is an online forum. No one here takes words to the heart and think about them all day...except may be sad dudes living empty lives such as yourself.

I surely have more relevance than someone from Swizterland. Your nation is so irrelevant that even Hitler...even Hitler...bypassed it and didn't invade.

I live in America..the country to which entire Europe is prostitute. I will come at you from the position of relevance and power.



Evidence?

All what I've said are facts and stated so by Western information agencies (Increasing mosques, more girls wearing Hijabs than ever, Halal meat industry growing more so than ever, Western brands now coming up with 'Islamic Clothing', Islamic Finance growing in Western world in ever so increasing manner, number of mosques increasing, and so on and on).

All signs...all the data..shows only one thing: Presence of Islamic Culture and Civilization has not only been consolidated in the heart of West...it has been increasing even further!

Even non-practicing peoples from Islamic background identify with Islamic Culture, stand up for Islamic causes, and take part in issues with their own perspective.

For example, I know many not-so-practicing Muslims who go tooth and nail on Israel-Palestine issue..educated their peers about Palestinian suffering..and fight for the civil rights of Muslims in America/Europe.

This shows that even members who you will not regard as 'visible' Muslims act in a way that reflects the presence of another civilization in the midst of West...



GOOD.

Radicalization is worse for us than for you.

Well the basic science about some muslims in western societies simply is that the islamic world sucks and has no future. people go where they see the best chances of living. This is a one way street. There simply is no will of western people to move into "islamic countries". Its the typical and old poverty immigration.

As for the rest of your nonsense:lol

how comes i can party hard, western style with girls in islamic countries? I tell you why! Globalisation! FTW

As for europe, to believe there is no european culture is ridicolous at best. Just today Oktoberfest started in munich. It has more

And thats one tiny example. Muslims make up only 4-5% of EU citizens. They are a marketing group that is catered for like any other. They are a small minority and it is ok. We offer them a better life than their original countries.

But there is something that bothers me. People in EU get more and more hateful towards muslims. right wing parties make propaganda and have election victories, be it le Pen with her front national in France, UKIP in UK or the AfD in germany. Police reports here say they fear that if muslim terrorists commit a mayor attack, it could cause progroms. Europe has a long history to switch from tolerance to hate in an instant. We had once more jews in germany than we have today muslims.

A good example for this negative feelings towards muslims is your own country Pakistan. Traditional germans spend very much aid for desaster countries. When this devastation flood hit Pakistan and many ten thousands people died, the aid groups here had almost no aid. People did not spend. No commercials worked. Politicians made public pleads to spend, because the people in pakistan are not guilty but it did not change anything. While germans did spend 200 million € for Haiti they barely did spend 2 million for pakistan. Which is ridicolous low.

Pakistan's Flood Catastrophe: German Politicians Plead for Donations - SPIEGEL ONLINE

Btw i know some iranians, living in tehran who completly contradict what you say. They hate islam, don´t identify with it, listen metal music and call themself atheist.

 

[AUz]

Well the basic science about some muslims in western societies simply is that the islamic world sucks and has no future.

Not really.

Muslims in today's Europe came as guest workers after the destruction of WWII. It is just that with time, Muslim settled in those new lands.

Most number of immigrants to Europe comes from Morocco, Algeria, and Turkey. These countries are middle-income economies, with large middle-classes, and relative stability.

These countries aren't as well off as Europe, sure. But they don't "suck" so to speak.

people go where they see the best chances of living.

True.

There simply is no will of western people to move into "islamic countries".

Even if there is, Westerners won't be able to establish their civilization in Islamic World.

Look at Dubai..FULL of Westerners...but they are "kept" in their own zones and aren't even allowed to have citizenships

Its the typical and old poverty immigration.

Not really poverty but search for better quality of life. Doctors living in Muslim countries aren't "poor" ...but they'll obviously get better quality of life in West..hence if given opportunity, many of them will move.

But whatever may be the reasons, the fact remains that Islamic Civilization spread into heartlands of Europe and West.

I was reading on one western site how westerners thought that Muslims will become westerners after immigration..and will leave their religion, culture, civilization behind.

Instead, Muslims brought Islamic Civilization into the heart of Europe itself and integrated it into wider culture!

As for the rest of your nonsense:lol

Nonsense is what you spew. All readers can see it

As for europe, to believe there is no european culture is ridicolous at best. Just today Oktoberfest started in munich. It has more

You don't get it

I am not saying Europe has no culture..what I am saying is that Europe's traditional culture..the original European culture has been eradicated and is replaced with multiculture now!

Going naked, drinking loads of alcohol, and humping each other isn't "culture" ..that's what animals do. European culture, its religion (christianity), and its way of looking at things is all but gone. Nobody gives a shit about traditional religion of Europe anymore. Nobody practices it. Institution of marriage has hit record low. People live together without marrying...parents are thrown into old houses...and traditional family structure is deteriorating...traditional sense of European clothings has vanished.

In short, the culture of Europe is gone. And it is replaced with a completely different thing. A multi-culture.

Successful civilizations and cultures evolve with time and march forward.

Like Islamic Civilization and Culture.

While others just perish and get replaced by other entities. Like European culture that is now but all gone.

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This isn't success however. This isn't 'evolution'. This is failure.

Cultural and civilizational success looks like this.

Islamic Hajj in 1900's....

Islamic Hajj 2000's

You see...evolution...Islamic Civilization evolved to become more bigger, more global, more widespread..while keeping its original cultural and historical base and civilization. That's success.

Btw i know some iranians, living in tehran who completly contradict what you say. They hate islam, don´t identify with it, listen metal music and call themself atheist.

lol, such minute minorities exist everywhere.

Even minority of chinese hate CCP and today's china. So what?

Ask @ChineseTiger1986 if that means that China has become "western liberal democracy" under U.S influence like Korea? LOL.

 

[MarkusS]

Not really.

Muslims in today's Europe came as guest workers after the destruction of WWII. It is just that with time, Muslim settled in those new lands.

Most number of immigrants to Europe comes from Morocco, Algeria, and Turkey. These countries are middle-income economies, with large middle-classes, and relative stability.

These countries aren't as well off as Europe, sure. But they don't "suck" so to speak.



True.


Even if there is, Westerners won't be able to establish their civilization in Islamic World.

Look at Dubai..FULL of Westerners...but they are "kept" in their own zones and aren't even allowed to have citizenships



Not really poverty but search for better quality of life. Doctors living in Muslim countries aren't "poor" ...but they'll obviously get better quality of life in West..hence if given opportunity, many of them will move.

But whatever may be the reasons, the fact remains that Islamic Civilization spread into heartlands of Europe and West.

I was reading on one western site how westerners thought that Muslims will become westerners after immigration..and will leave their religion, culture, civilization behind.

Instead, Muslims brought Islamic Civilization into the heart of Europe itself and integrated it into wider culture!



Nonsense is what you spew. All readers can see it



You don't get it

I am not saying Europe has no culture..what I am saying is that Europe's traditional culture..the original European culture has been eradicated and is replaced with multiculture now!

Going naked, drinking loads of alcohol, and humping each other isn't "culture" ..that's what animals do. European culture, its religion (christianity), and its way of looking at things is all but gone. Nobody gives a shit about traditional religion of Europe anymore. Nobody practices it. Institution of marriage has hit record low. People live together without marrying...parents are thrown into old houses...and traditional family structure is deteriorating...traditional sense of European clothings has vanished.

In short, the culture of Europe is gone. And it is replaced with a completely different thing. A multi-culture.

Successful civilizations and cultures evolve with time and march forward.

Like Islamic Civilization and Culture.

While others just perish and get replaced by other entities. Like European culture that is now but all gone.





This isn't success however. This isn't 'evolution'. This is failure.

Cultural and civilizational success looks like this.

Islamic Hajj in 1900's....

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Islamic Hajj 2000's

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You see...evolution...Islamic Civilization evolved to become more bigger, more global, more widespread..while keeping its original cultural and historical base and civilization. That's success.



lol, such minute minorities exist everywhere.

Even minority of chinese hate CCP and today's china. So what?

Ask @ChineseTiger1986 if that means that China has become "western liberal democracy" under U.S influence like Korea? LOL.

comrade, you are a radical islamist, thats why you spread such nonsense. You talk about "evolution", while all i can see in muslim nations is devolution. Backward development to a more primitive state. Tell me, why has not oe muslim country a real space program. A space station? Or developed something that is important for the world today? How comes small israel alone has more scientific publications than the entire muslim world?

As pakistani nuclear scientist Perves Amirali Hoodbhoy said: Islam and science have parted ways.
Pervez Amirali Hoodbhoy: "Islam and Science Have Parted Ways" :: Middle East Quarterly

Islam is no sucess anymore. It basicly has no future. It can offer nothing to its youth only desperation. What we see today is angry muslims who see that the train left station and they stand behind, while the world leaves them alone in their misery.

I wondered how i would feel if i would have been born there? And i would feel horrible, to know that i can never achieve anything. That my world is so small and limited.

The same can be said about the muslim minority in the west. We are talking about a underpriviliged part of society. Europeans don´t want contact with them. They are stuck with bad jobs and hang up together. Its a matter of fact, that sucessful "muslims" leave islam in the west and simple follow the majority culture. In germany Cem Özdemir comes to mind for example. He is in the green party, supports the gay community and so on.

Islam is in its dark ages and it can solve this only from within. Just as christianity needed its Renaissance. It is sad to see a once great area of the world in a state like this. Its a disgrace for humanity.

The problem i see in this extreme backwardness is that it could become much worse and reach the state of africa, where people infect with ebola don´t know science.


Maybe the islamic world needs its "Mao" and a cultural revolution? Whatever it needs it can only come from inside.

And to show how ridicolous your comments about european and christian values are:

The catholic youth day with the pope in cologne germany:

And rome:

But beside this i can tell you something personal. All this numbers game is laughable, because what matters is happiness and peace. I´m catholic like most italians. I could show you hundreds of pictures about the church in italy to show you how wrong you are.

But in the end this would not change anything. You are full of hate and anger.

You only have this:

while we have this:

It is said, that hate and anger poisons the heart. And i really hope that the people of islam can solve their problem. I wish you all the best on this way and hope that god help you in this.

 

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[Audio]

There is no 'running' .....Mutual benefits of elites. Petro Dollar system benefits American elite AND Saudi elite.

Sure, mutual benefits, but only one has power to take the other down.

A child in Birmingham is now more likely to be a Muslim than Christian | Daily Mail Online
There's no way around what I have said above.

Sure there is. The ones too stubborn to integrate will be put into scum villages, with bleek prospects for their future. You can be sure we won't run out of shipping containers-primary housing unit in such esteemed establishments.
The smart ones will be getting a job, a life, and contribute. With this, fertility rates will equalize with the general populace.

From your article:

Of 12.1million youngsters, 6.1million were Christian and 1million were Muslim.
Sughra Ahmed, president of the Islamic Society of Britain, said: ‘Britain’s Muslims make up just 5 per cent of the population but have a younger demographic profile than other faiths, as these figures show. It matters to us all that this next generation of young British Muslims develops a clear and confident sense of their British identity alongside their Muslim faith. It’s important that schools teach all of our children the values of respect and tolerance.

Can you show me any such physical spread of Western World into the realm of Islam? No where.

You are mistaking capability with intent. Your psychological condition immediately attributes this to some sort of weakness while in reality........who would want to live there anyway-the list of bad conditions starts with summertime temperatures?
Ofcourse apart from handsomely paid executives, engineers, architects, yacht skippers (i know one-goes to Dubai every winter for the last 20 years) but who live there permanently only a few years or only for the duration of whatever project is there to complete.

haha..the very fact that you'll bring OCD, angry, and butthurt type words into response shows how pathetically insecure you are. Dude, this is an online forum. No one here takes words to the heart and think about them all day...except may be sad dudes living empty lives such as yourself.

I surely have more relevance than someone from Swizterland. Your nation is so irrelevant that even Hitler...even Hitler...bypassed it and didn't invade.

I live in America..the country to which entire Europe is prostitute. I will come at you from the position of relevance and power.

You are nothing and noone, the fact that you come back to mention your "homeland" speaks enough. All i'm talking is personal ability to debate stuff on a reasonable level, which you certainly don't possess.
Top 10 college in the US eh? If you are going there, trust me, they are just milking your parents for tuition.

See here your OCD/superiority complex (which you like to mix with extolling Islamic civ. virtues) from the paragraph above, first you deny it, then it comes bursting out like a hoe:

No one here takes words to the heart and think about them all day...except may be sad dudes living empty lives such as yourself.

I will come at you from the position of relevance and power.

Relevance? Power? You? More like stupid and funny.

Rest of your post isn't worthy of my time, it's just some sort of bluster, or pathetic show of "strength", you even manage to perverse European liberalism in allowing different faiths having their places of worship as some sort of grand plan of Muslims. lmao....