The role of the EU in the current crisis between east and west and how to solve this?

[FairAndUnbiased]

and i love this? embrace capitalism! I love how christmas has been reduced to a pure capitalist consumer holiday! I love how china goes the same way with online shopping holidays, malls and a globalized culture. Crush the old trash of the past and embrace the 21st century!

And you dont see how we are sucessful? Being the worlds greatest economy, the creator of global culture itself, speaks volumes. You use a european language here. We dont communicate in ching chang chong here.

Reported for racism + Christmas is negligible in sales volume, so it is meaningless, rather than consumer. Have to consume to be a consumer holiday.

 

[MarkusS]

Reported for racism + Christmas is negligible in sales volume, so it is meaningless, rather than consumer. Have to consume to be a consumer holiday.

does it matter? Alibaba is a western corporation, mostly owned from yahoo and soft bank. The only thing that matters is profit and sucess. globalisation makes this possible.

 

[AUz]

The entire world has become western.

How's that?

Take for example Islamic World. Islamic World globally has its own culture, own world view, its own traditions, its own sense of identity, its own sense of history, and so on. Basically, Muslim World is a unique global civilization of its own existence--very different from West.

Heck--so much so..that Islamic Civilization has established itself within the heart of West too with millions of Muslims now in Western heartlands.

Islamic Communities throughout the Western World, spanning tens of millions of people, are very important too. Global civilization of Islam spread and established itself in the heart of West...with tens of millions of people in the Western heartlands having Islamic worldview, practicing/spread Islamic culture, building Islamic architecture, bringing Islamic traditions, foods, and dresses in, and integrating in the wider society while keeping their unique Islamic identity/culture -----hence, making Islam an inevitable civilizational reality in the West. Heck, London now holds Islamic Finance conferences and what not? lol..West failed to develop anything like that in Islamic World.

What you are referring to is cultural influence that arises with contact of different cultures. It doesn't mean that "everyone has become west" LOL

Also, what you call "west" is itself "East" ...Europe was nothing but barbaric savages that could not even build toilets until Eastern civilization reached Europe.

Civilization itself rose in East!

Well, lets talk about whole 5000 year of recorded human history...

Europe received its civilization from the Middle East, not the other way around. The heritage of the Sumerian, Babylonian, and Egyptian etc empires and civilizations, their mathematics, writing systems, and middle eastern religions made their way into Europe from the Middle East, and not the other way around. The Roman Empire's writing system was ultimately derived from Phoenician. The western world shares alot in common with the Middle East because its civilization is an extension of the Middle East (in very general terms). Babylonian mathematics are the basis for western mathematics. Indigenous European numbers were replaced by Indo-Arabic numbers because of their superiority.

Ultimately, we are all humans. This "East" vs "West" definitions only arose in last 200 years...

What you don´t get (and i blame your heritage on this) is that i give a shit about culture.

Understandable..since you know that you can't compare in this field. lol

I´m for dominance and pushing progress into the world. Erase nonsense from the past, crush religions and force a global society into the world. I´m half italian / half german. Which makes me basicly an genetic god.

Low-IQ lonely ugly face = You.

You have shared your picture in this forum..and everyone was astonished as to how ugly you were, "mr God" ...

You bring muslims into the topic. Islam is dead. It has nothing to give young people.

Yeah..Islam is dead. Sure.

In 1910, 12% of world was Muslim.

By 2010, ~25% of world is Muslim. Islamic Civilization has reached to every corner of the globe..so much so..that even West has massive Islamic Civilizational presence with Mosques, Hijabs, Halal food becoming norm in Western streets.

The future of mankind will certainly not be in a mosque. It is in space. The main reason why your country of origin is on the floor, is its extreme backwardeness. I give a shit about your food, believes, clothes or dresses. I would convert to become an australian aboriginal if they develop an interstellar spaceship. And thats what you don´t udnerstand nor can understand. You simply think too small. It is beyond your comprehension.

Humanity isn't moving into space as a whole in foreseeable future. Stop being an idiot.

This globe remains the contesting board for civilizations and cultures.

So far we generated a global culture.

The first ever global civilization was itself build by Islamic World. Your own Western books teach that.

Read World Civilizations: The Global Experience, 4th Edition which is a standard history book that students across United States study in order to understand how civilization came.

The 6th chapter of this book is titled "The First Global Civilization of History: Rise and Spread of Islam"



You are just doing what we started and forced onto you!

Take your Pakistan for example...it uses our law system.

No we don't. Our constitution says "No law can be made against Qur'an" ....yeah, very 'western' law...LOL

Plus, how about this? England's own law came from Islamic Law, not the other around

BBC NEWS | UK | Magazine | Is English law related to Muslim law?



It is sad how utterly over-whelmed you are that you don't even realize anything.

Moreover, guess what? Today's secularism that Europe worships also came from Islamic World through Spain.

Our letters.

Dumbo, Urdu doesn't have any European letters.

Moreover, you use our numerals. Big fcuking deal, eh?

That way we made China a western country where people celebrate Xmas, consume and love Apple.

U.S consumes Asian food, millions of Americans have Asian Playstations, and drive Japanese cars and so on.

U.S must be an Asian country now?

See, you pathetic your lonely self is..

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

You are wasting your time. Excessively engaging idiots means that you are showing respect to them by spending your time.

 

[liall]

Are you kidding me?

Our 2014 GDP is 10 trillion, and it will be doubled by 2020.

EU is a loose organization, still not a country as a whole, so it cannot compete with the big boys.

The EU sanctions can merely tickle Russia which got the support from China.

EU is mad cant see whats going on with all that madness. First US was controlling them but just cant stand being second to an Asian country now lol

 

[terranMarine]

does it matter? Alibaba is a western corporation, mostly owned from yahoo and soft bank. The only thing that matters is profit and sucess. globalisation makes this possible.

A Western corporation? Markus cut down the pizzas filled with cannabis. It's a Chinese company end of discussion, don't become like the Vietcongs who love stealing Chinese history.

 

[MarkusS]

bla bla blub

I did not read all this nonsense, but its good that you bring up the "islamic world". I no part of the world are "traditions eroding faster than there.

To give you a glimpse: Princess Ameerah from Saudi Arabia

The islamic world has nothing to offer to its young people. The old farts rest on the youth like a stone. The large amount of young people watchs into a dark and hopeless future. They see the world and they see, that they can´t participate in it. We see the youth uprising evrywhere. And this is great!

They should burn all this old shit down. Iran for example turned dramatical western.

The youth in islamic world listen hip hop and rock as well as metal. They communicate with Facebook and Twitter. They demand freedom and democracy.

An even better example for this are the Emirates

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In Turkey the youth also spits on conservative values:

All this is awesome and i think it is great that change happenes so rapidly there. My own girl is from jordan. Her parents are muslims. She doesn´t give a shit. She calls herself an atheist.

As this article says: "Islamic world resembles the Titanic"

Comparing the Muslim world of today with the Titanic just before its sinking, some powerful parallels come to mind — sadly so.

That ship was all alone in the ocean, was considered invincible by its proud makers and yet suddenly became irredeemably tarnished in its oversized ambitions. Within a few seconds, it moved in its self-perception from world dominator to sailing helplessly in the icy ocean of modernity, without any concept of where a rescue crew could come from.

The passengers in the third-class cabins remained asleep, effectively imprisoned, clueless about the looming catastrophe. The rich, meanwhile, managed to rescue themselves in the few lifeboats that were available, while the traveling clergy excelled with heartfelt but empty appeals to those caught in between not to give up fighting.

The so-called Islamic reformers remind me of the salon orchestra, which — in a heroic display of giving the passengers the illusion of normalcy — continued to play on the deck of the Titanic until it went down. Likewise, the reformers are playing an alluring melody, but know full well that no one is listening anyway.

The Muslim World and the Titanic - The Globalist

Oh and for the ugly part. I´m quite sure i´m the best looking member in this forum. At least i must not hide myself I don´t care if some male pakistani virgin doesn´t like me. All that counts is that i make points with the girls.

A Western corporation? Markus cut down the pizzas filled with cannabis. It's a Chinese company end of discussion, don't become like the Vietcongs who love stealing Chinese history.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/alibaba-ipo-to-give-yahoo-windfall-1411105913

Nothing to steal. Thanks for the profit. Alibaba is a global enterprise. And thats good in a global world. China is dead as is any other nation. We live in the time of globalisation.

 

[mike2000]

Yep, you're absolutely right. The 2nd largest publisher of original scientific research in the world, one of the 2 nations in the world that can send a man into space literally tomorrow and the owner of the most powerful supercomputer in the world, would celebrate for closed-source, downgraded imports. Are you really this dumb lol?

Lool what are you talking about bro?
That most powerful computer uses mainly U.S software/chips. Check it out. The hell, U.S tech/software companies still dominate the market in China e.g Microsoft office/software, Qualcomm, Intel, IBM etc.

As for sending person in space, its 3 countries not 2 who can send people in space independently. Even so Russia and U.S are on a whole different level compared to China in space, at least 15 to 20 years.

Are you trying to say you will not import weapons/military tech from us if we lifted the sanctions against you? Come on bro let's be honest, do you really believe what you are saying? Even Russia (who exports weapons to you) still imports tech/arms from us, and you think China doesn't need our tech/weapons? . If so why are your officials still pleading/urging the U.S/E.U to lift up sanctions against China? Lol

You can have pride/be patriotic, but that doesn't means it should blind you from thinking rationally or being honest.

China still lags behind the west/U.S technologically, but that's not to deny you haven't made great progress. You have indeed(you are still the leader /most advanced emerging country out there). But to think you are ahead of us is laughable. Even your leaders recognise you are still behind. Its only by recognising your faults that you can improve. So dot

 

[mike2000]

And don't forget our WS-10G for J-20A and WS-15 for J-20B.



If you think that China is just an India with 10 trillion GDP, then you are making a big mistake.

Lol where did I say China is India? I know that China is still very much ahead of India, nobody denies that. But to say China is the the greatest country on earth and doesn't need/want any tech from U.S if giving a choice or that the U.S has crappy tech while China has advance tech is all but laughable. Lool

As for your WS 10 or whatever engines, I admire the fact that you people at least have an engine(which is the most complex tech to master, only a few countries can independently build one, I think 4 or 5 countries so far).
However it still hasn't been proven, and needs many more years/decades for it to be credible/fully operational/reliable, unlike us, we have been producing engines since for more than half a century now and which is battle tested/proven for decades. That is something you people will need to wait at least a decade or two to have a fully proven/operational engine. At least you have started so I will give you that. I do admire countries who try and be self sufficient. But don't get ahead of yourselves and think you are anywhere ahead of us, well not yet. So chill bro.

 

[ChineseTiger1986]

Lol where did I say China is India? I know that China is still very much ahead of India, nobody denies that. But to say China is the the greatest country on earth and doesn't need/want any tech from U.S if giving a choice or that the U.S has crappy tech while China has advance tech is all but laughable. Lool

As for your WS 10 or whatever engines, I admire the fact that you people at least have an engine(which is the most complex tech to master, only a few countries can independently build one, I think 4 or 5 countries so far).
However it still hasn't been proven, and needs many more years/decades for it to be credible/fully operational/reliable, unlike us, we have been producing engines since for more than half a century now and which is battle tested/proven for decades. That is something you people will need to wait at least a decade or two to have a fully proven/operational engine. At least you have started so I will give you that. I do admire countries who try and be self sufficient. But don't get ahead of yourselves and think you are anywhere ahead of us, well not yet. So chill bro.

We are developing more type of engines, but the WS-10 series is simply one of the most crucial types, it can also be developed into the high bypass ratio one for the passenger/cargo plane.

Yeah, our engine is getting more mature and improved year by year. You can see more Chinese fighters have been equipping the domestic engine compared to few years ago.

Now we only need to largely deploy our domestic engines to our cargo planes and the passenger planes.

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Lool what are you talking about bro?
That most powerful computer uses mainly U.S software/chips. Check it out. The hell, U.S tech/software companies still dominate the market in China e.g Microsoft office/software, Qualcomm, Intel, IBM etc.

As for sending person in space, its 3 countries not 2 who can send people in space independently. Even so Russia and U.S are on a whole different level compared to China in space, at least 15 to 20 years.

Are you trying to say you will not import weapons/military tech from us if we lifted the sanctions against you? Come on bro let's be honest, do you really believe what you are saying? Even Russia (who exports weapons to you) still imports tech/arms from us, and you think China doesn't need our tech/weapons? . If so why are your officials still pleading/urging the U.S/E.U to lift up sanctions against China? Lol

You can have pride/be patriotic, but that doesn't means it should blind you from thinking rationally or being honest.

China still lags behind the west/U.S technologically, but that's not to deny you haven't made great progress. You have indeed(you are still the leader /most advanced emerging country out there). But to think you are ahead of us is laughable. Even your leaders recognise you are still behind. Its only by recognising your faults that you can improve. So dot

The US cannot send a person into space tomorrow. They use Russian spacecraft.

Guess what: if the "chips" (by this I suppose you mean the back-end processor chips, not the front-end data management chips) were the most important component, why does the US not make the fastest supercomputer using its US chips and software? After all, the cost of doubling the chip count is small compared to the total cost of the supercomputer, so why doesn't the US just double the chip count, using its own chips, leveraging its experience, and making the fastest supercomputer?

 

[AUz]

I did not read all this nonsense, .

Exactly. You did not read because you know that you can't answer my arguments.

You are a sad pathetic dude living in his own delusions.

but its good that you bring up the "islamic world". I no part of the world are "traditions eroding faster than there.

Islamic World is evolving and has its own cultural existence with its own unique identity.

In Europe however, European culture and way of life is already gone, finished. And Now European culture is multiculture where millions of non-Europeans have brought their own colors, food, traditions, and culture.

Islamic World is the only global civilization that has not only maintained its identity, civilization, and culture---but has also expanded everywhere in the past century..even in the heart of Europe.

Tens of millions of Islamic people reside in the heartlands of West. Girls in Hijabs, spread of Halal meat, magnificent mosques, and Islamic Finance are common sights in Europe. Hundreds of thousands of westerners have converted to Islam and adapted Islamic culture, way of living in England alone!

All of the above shows that global Islamic Civilization has established itself in the heart of Europe.

You can't say the same for Western World w.r.t to Islamic World. Can you?

To give you a glimpse: Princess Ameerah from Saudi Arabia

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She is beautiful. She is a Muslim. She is wearing a dress that conforms to Islamic dress code standards.

What is your point?

We see the youth uprising evrywhere. And this is great!

Indeed this is great. That's how civilizations/culture evolve within themselves.

These "uprisings" aren't calling for replacing indigenous Muslim culture with Western one. These uprisings are due to political exploitation of elites.

In West however, you have no culture of yours left. Your culture is replaced by a multiculture. Your existence lost. lol

The youth in islamic world listen hip hop and rock as well as metal.

So what? Even I listen to different kinds of music...

Indian, Punjabi, Western, Bollywood, Pakistani are some of my favorite kind of music..

American youth eats sushi, loves Vodka, and learn Yoga.

Does that mean Americans have become Japanese-Indian-Russians? LOLOL..

You are so pathetic that I feel sad for you.

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Ladies and gentleman,

Here is a member who calls himself a "genetic god" and says he is the most beautiful member on this forum.

 

[AUz]

We live in a globalized world...sadly, that globalization has already eradicated European culture.

Only global culture/civilization surviving and thriving is Islamic Civilization.

Even in the heart of West, Muslims have their own culture, own civilization instead of adapting Western way of existence.

Poor Markus knows that this is reality, and can't live with it.

Hence he comes here to show his insecurity again and again...

 

[MarkusS]

We live in a globalized world...sadly, that globalization has already eradicated European culture.

Only global culture/civilization surviving and thriving is Islamic Civilization.

Even in the heart of West, Muslims have their own culture, own civilization instead of adapting Western way of existence.

Poor Markus knows that this is reality, and can't live with it.

Hence he comes here to show his insecurity again and again...

You still didn´t get it It is amazing. There is no "islamic culture".

You call this islamic culture? In Dubai?

Evry old culture simply must die off because it holds us back. We need a global culture. A culture that stands only on science and hard facts. Not fairy tales.

As for islamic countries. This is in turkey. And she liked me quite alot.

 

[AUz]

You still didn´t get it It is amazing. There is no "islamic culture".

Islamic Culture = Adherence to Islamic religion, adherence to Islamic Law (such as fasting in Ramadan, personal hygiene, circumcision of new born etc), learning Arabic as language of prayer/rituals, adherence to Islamic dress-code (Hijabs, covered shoulders and clothes below knees etc.), sense of brotherhood for fellow Muslims, using terms like "Assalam-o-Alaikum" to communicate with fellow Muslims no matter what their ethnic origin is, preference to eat Halal food, subscribing to Islamic social norms such as no making out in public and so on and on...

Now all of the above things are what constitute Islamic culture (I just listed a few..there are many others)...

There are billions of people around the globe that adhere to the above mentioned cultural traits...tens of millions of them in heart of West!

Hence Islamic Civilization is a global civilization present everywhere and thriving even in the Western heartlands. You can't say the same for any other civilization out there.

You call this islamic culture? In Dubai?

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Dude, your picture itself shows Islamic Culture in Dubai. Look at the dress of women

Moreover, Dubai has MORE foreigners than Muslims...so it is an idiotic example to show.

Lastly, just because there is a Christmas tree in some mall..it doesn't mean that Dubai has become part of "West" and has left Islamic Civilizational Fold.

In USA, Empire State Building turns "green" as Ramadan starts (in respect of Ramadan)...does that mean U.S has become "Islamic"

Your reasoning is amazingly shallow and childish.

Evry old culture simply must die off because it holds us back. .

Successful cultures adapt, evolve and spread even further. For example, Islamic Culture and Civilization.

Weak cultures just perish. For example, European culture...which has now all but gone. And a multiculture has taken over Europe.

We need a global culture.

No, we need a 'globalized' existence in which different cultures are integrated together peacefully and work together for mutual progress of humanity

There can't be "one" single culture for all humans.

A culture that stands only on science and hard facts. Not fairy tales

I agree. I won't say cultures should stand only on science..since cultures never stand on one thing...but science must take extreme preference..specially over fairy tales!

As for islamic countries. This is in turkey. And she liked me quite alot.

Good for you.

However, overwhelming majority of Turkish girls would not wear Bikini. Turks, despite being THE most secular country in Islamic World, have voted an Islamic party to power again and again and again over the past decade. Hundreds of girls in Turkey wear Bikini once in a while.

Millions of girls in Turkey wear Hijab every day.

Tells you alot, doesn't it?

I can show you pictures of American white girls wearing Hijab. Does that prove anything?