The Rafale deal and why it makes China nervous

[Rocky25]

J-11 is vastly superior to Su-27 or Su-30.
Russians are scared they will lose out in export orders to us.
MKI is barely 4th gen with outdated 1990s tech.
Dream on...

 

[RIMPAC]

Hahaha dream on hahaha base less point. Hahaha

You cannot deal with facts.
Truth hurts doesn't it mate?

 

[ashok321]

You mean like the 1962 black eye?
Or the 1962 goo whooping?

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-...-why-makes-china-nervous-7.html#ixzz2IblySfhp

Imagine Indian soldiers with vintage rifles ala 303, even then they fought bravely and never gave up or gave in.
Unlike other which threw the towel....

 

[RIMPAC]

J10 is built based on a Israeli Lavi which is very old design



FACTS:

Maximum take-off weight:
Maximum take-off weight for the J-10 is 19,277 kg (42,500 lb) while the Su-30MKI's max. take-off weight is 38,800 kg (85,600 lb). So it means the Su-30MKI has more than double the take-off weight of J-10. Meaning the Su-30MKI can take lot more armament/fuel for extended combat purposes.

Engine:
J-10 has a single engine. It can be either the Saturn-Lyulka AL-31FN or Woshan WS-10A "Taihang" turbofan. Su-30MKI has double engines. Lyulka AL-31FP turbofans with thrust vectoring.
The J-10 with its single engine can produce a maximum of 129.4 kN of thrust with afterburners on. The Su-30MKI can produce a maximum thrust of 131 kN with each of its engines! That means a total thrust of 2x131=262 kN!!!
Again more than double than the J-10.

More take-off weight, more engine power!!! Now you must be feeling the J-10 is no match for the Superior Su-30MKI! Indeed!!!!!!!!

Maximum Range (without mid-air refuelling):
Su-30MKI - 5,000 km (2,700 nautical miles).
J-10 - 3,400 km (1800 nautical miles).


Su 30 MKI with 3D thrust vectoring and big radar can fry J10 electronics from a long distance.

MKIS don't have thrust vectoring and big radar. Just made up propaganda. It's very old technology based on soviet tech. J-10 has tech that's far superior to anything India has or can import.

 

[indian_foxhound]

You cannot deal with facts.
Truth hurts doesn't it mate?

Come on. Now deal wit dis. Do you have anything close to it Su-30mki radar The forward facing NIIP N011M Bars (Panther)
is a powerful integrated passive electronically
scanned array radar. The N011M is a digital
multi-mode dual frequency band radar.The
N011M can function in air-to-air and air-to-land/
sea mode simultaneously while being tied into a high-precision laser-inertial or GPS navigation
system. It is equipped with a modern digital
weapons control system as well as anti-
jamming features. N011M has a 350 km search
range and a maximum 200 km tracking range,
and 60 km in the rear hemisphere. The radar can track 15 air targets and engage 4
simultaneously. These targets can even include
cruise missiles and motionless helicopters. The
Su-30MKI can function as a mini-AWACS as a
director or command post for other aircraft. The
target co-ordinates can be transferred automatically to at least four other aircraft. The
radar can detect ground targets such as tanks at
40–50 km.

 

[RIMPAC]

oh puhleeeze chinese.
We don't need your comment or approval
No .....like the 1967 a$$ whipping .

We whooped you in 1962, 1967 and 1987.
These are historical facts.

 

[Jackdaws]

India is too poor to buy any Rafale. J-10B already entered service. Indians can verbally defecate but nothing else to change reality.

I can't blame you - living in a communist state with state controlled media has kept you out of the loop of reality. We stand in solidarity with our simple minded Chinese neighbors - one day, they too will enjoy true freedom like us. Till then, we must lead them and not feel bad when they comment ill toward us. If they could comment what they truly feel - they will be shot by their communist government.

 

[SwatCat]

MKIS don't have thrust vectoring and big radar. Just made up propaganda. It's very old technology based on soviet tech. J-10 has tech that's far superior to anything India has or can import.

Now I know who you are

I will make this statement as my signature

 

[Rocky25]

You cannot deal with facts.
Truth hurts doesn't it mate?

Facts from Chinese internet warriors! Oops, Where are they?

 

[RIMPAC]

Come on. Now deal wit dis. Do you have anything close to it Su-30mki radar The forward facing NIIP N011M Bars (Panther)
is a powerful integrated passive electronically
scanned array radar. The N011M is a digital
multi-mode dual frequency band radar.The
N011M can function in air-to-air and air-to-land/
sea mode simultaneously while being tied into a high-precision laser-inertial or GPS navigation
system. It is equipped with a modern digital
weapons control system as well as anti-
jamming features. N011M has a 350 km search
range and a maximum 200 km tracking range,
and 60 km in the rear hemisphere. The radar can track 15 air targets and engage 4
simultaneously. These targets can even include
cruise missiles and motionless helicopters. The
Su-30MKI can function as a mini-AWACS as a
director or command post for other aircraft. The
target co-ordinates can be transferred automatically to at least four other aircraft. The
radar can detect ground targets such as tanks at
40–50 km.

We have AESA radar.
We don't have that old 1990s PESA radar tech

Try harder, much much harder.

 

[indian_foxhound]

MKIS don't have thrust vectoring and big radar. Just made up propaganda. It's very old technology based on soviet tech. J-10 has tech that's far superior to anything India has or can import.

Omg..... Yarra you are great. Get ready for bang now...

We have AESA radar.
We don't have that old 1990s PESA radar tech

Try harder, much much harder.

Dude talk abou range n trackng stop that fooling your self myth

 

[Rocky25]

We whooped you in 1962, 1967 and 1987.
These are historical facts.

Still you did NOT settle the border claims to your needs, That shows how successful you are!

 

[kurup]

2 squadrons of J-10 could take down entire indian airforce.

Don't be humble I am sure a single J10 is enough .

After taking down IAF it will also be able to fly all the way to US and destroy entire USAF too....

 

[illusion8]

This guy has made this thread into a Mostly stupid and funny thread - something horribly went wrong in the Chinese Eugenic Gene mutation program to create smarter Chinese.

 

[kurup]

We whooped you in 1962, 1967 and 1987.
These are historical facts.

Ofcourse .........CCP certified historical facts ....