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The “Princes” of Iran Speak Out as Regime Fears Collapse

This thread is actually hilarious......:rofl:.........Just creating an issue for the hell of it, when there is nothing!:rofl:

He's a funny guy Where there is nothing, he sees something.....:rofl:

I love the banter tbh....and wish you both well on it haha. Doc is so far massaging/fighting you guys with one hand behind his back, just so you know....so I am waiting for when he goes all out (probably needs mod permission first hah).

@lastofthepatriots @I.R.A
 
@waz thread getting derailed pretty badly now bro (sorry to bug you again)
 
As dusty springfield sang:

The only one who could ever reach me ....was the son of a preacher man....the only boy who could ever teach me, was the son of a preacher man....

It all makes some kinda sense now w.r.t the charisma of doc heh.

4 generations now bro. We did not undergo the Navar training and initiation. Fairly grueling it is. A minimum of 8 years. Along with school. It's how we ensure the religion gets passed on, by word, generation to generation.

I'm more in the mold of an ideologue and a pulpit thumper I guess.

Cheers, Doc

Hello there, so I've been monitoring this long going discussion on Zoroastrianism and how @padamchen is fairly obsessed about converting all Iranian peoples into Zoroastrianism among other things. You constantly refer to it as originating in Iran and therefore it will be restored there for the return of the Shah etc.

What is worth mentioning is that Zoroastrianism may not have originated in Iran...Hate to put out your flame (no pun intended) but you may want to tone down this whole Zoroastrianism revival stuff; just let people be, why are you so obsessed with converting Iranian peoples? Isn't really much different to the early Islamic conquest of converting people to Islam in Iran now is it? Something which you rail against.

Anyway, here is the research article that breaks the notion that Zoroastrianism originated in Iran; may just collapse all your thought processes linking the holy triad of Iran, the Shah and Zoroastrianism:

https://kavehfarrokh.com/uncategorized/archaeologists-uncover-zoroastrian-links-in-northwest-china/

@Tokhme khar @Cthulhu this may be of interest to you guys too.

There are many theories. Yes China (as it extends today) was largely Zoroastrian 2000-2500 years ago.

I'm not toning anything up. I'm having a convetsconve on the internet with blood brothers.

Something that was not possible for the last 1000 years till barely two decades ago.

Now it's just exploded the amount of forums and websites and real life congresses.

I guess Persians take to the internet like ducks to water. Both the Iroons and us.

It's also a safeguard for if and when we die out. Everything (except for the actual fires) is now in etherspace.

I was mindnumbed earlier last year. When my cousin from LA came to Udvada to do the navjote of her kids. And she managed the whole shebang with the thousands of customs and rituals and small etiquettes and myriad points that go into making a brand new Zoroastrian - all of it online from LA!!!!!

No mom (unwell, did not come), no thousands of Antibes like we have here, no well known Dasturs and other things like duglis, topis, garas, Sudreh, Kusti, champals, pyjamas, lockets, rings, ses, etc. Everything sitting in her university in LA.

That's what the internet has done for the world's oldest monotheistic faith.

Cheers, Doc

This thread is actually hilarious......:rofl:.........Just creating an issue for the hell of it, when there is nothing!:rofl:

He's a funny guy Where there is nothing, he sees something.....:rofl:

40 years ago we had an emperor, with almost god like powers and the US solidly behind him! He had all he could want.........He tried this zoro experiment too, Not for conversion, but more so nationalism. It was a spectacular failure.

It was a mistake.

As a fall.or overthrow of your innately Zoroastrian akhoonds now would be a terrible mistake for Iran.

You are not yet fully ready.

But as I told @Cthulhu beta, we cannot wait.

But we will keep this on faith. And not get our parent nation involved.

You should know that there are thousands of thintanks (very rightwing) around India who want to do the same thing we want with the Kurds. For our own corridor.

We have never worked with them.

We want no corridor to the sea. We built and own two megapolises on the sea on the subcontinent.

We want a homeland.

The Kurds want a homeland.

We do not want a Kurdish Zoroastrianism.

But ss Parsi all we can tell you is that it's your heritage equally.

Come to us when you're ready.

Funny guys seeing something where there isn't are centuries later called clairvoyants and prophets too.

Cheers, Doc
 
I love the banter tbh....and wish you both well on it haha. Doc is so far massaging/fighting you guys with one hand behind his back, just so you know....so I am waiting for when he goes all out (probably needs mod permission first hah).

@lastofthepatriots @I.R.A

I had told him the lies his ancestors tried won't last forever. Now he is facing the monster they created. They should never have tried fighting the change that knocked their doors with lies and intrigues, should have accepted the defeat in the battleground, but no. Who knew his ancestors would put him in dhoobi ka kutta situation. However, sadly in these current times we are on the same side ...... a distasteful alliance ... for both of us.
 
@padamchen

Ever heard the old saying........history repeats itself........well, nothing can be ruled out. I understand that. However a total reversion to Zoroism for now is far fetched in Iran. I will give you this much that your people moving to Yazd is a possibility.

If Iran succeeds in controlling the middle east, which it looks like it is well on its way, then possibilities for you folks also increase. Remember, we are looking for dynamic people who are loyal to the republic and who want to settle in ancient lands become entrepreneurs etc.........and revive what was once ours for eons.
 
@padamchen

Ever heard the old saying........history repeats itself........well, nothing can be ruled out. I understand that. However a total reversion to Zoroism for now is far fetched in Iran. I will give you this much that your people moving to Yazd is a possibility.

If Iran succeeds in controlling the middle east, which it looks like it is well on its way, then possibilities for you folks also increase. Remember, we are looking for dynamic people who are loyal to the republic and who want to settle in ancient lands become entrepreneurs etc.........and revive what was once ours for eons.

I told @lastofthepatriots centuries ago.

You're a nationalist.

What you just said is what I hear in emails from many of you.

It's why we have always been reservedly comfortable with the form of Islam you guys have molded in our ancestral template on the homeland.

But you guys have not seen orthodox till you've met Parsis.

It's a clash between old and new.

I don't believe either side wants to mow the other down.

But neither side is ready to move either.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Everyone is a nationalist in some way or form. We all want good for our countries. An ascendant Iran is opening a lot of doors which were closed earlier.

Remember my words.......this shyster trump will bow down to Iran, just like mobarak hossein Obama did back in 2015. It is inevitable. We don't need them, they need us. They cant do shit without us.

We sit right in the middle, controlling everything, and have for centuries.


I told @lastofthepatriots centuries ago.

You're a nationalist.

What you just said is what I hear in emails from many of you.

It's why we have always be reservedly comfortable with the form of Islam you guys have molded in our ancestral template on the homeland.

But you guys have not seen orthodox till you've meet Parsis.

It's a clash between old and new.

I don't believe either side wants to mow the other down.

But neither side is ready to move either.

Cheers, Doc
 
Bale get ready! Appu Pajeet Farsizadeh alan be Iran miayad. Ma Bayad dokhtarane khud ra penhan konim :-)8-)8-):-)

I love the banter tbh....and wish you both well on it haha. Doc is so far massaging/fighting you guys with one hand behind his back, just so you know....so I am waiting for when he goes all out (probably needs mod permission first hah).

@lastofthepatriots @I.R.A

Trust me bro I know too many of his kind. Apricity taxonomy forums are full of these stupid self haters who unfortunately hate their Indian identity. They will post their pics and ask "how much Iranian is in me ... aryan invasion, sychtian migration. oh please there must be some. cmon". I do not understand this mentality, why do they have to seek racial uniqueness. I am an Iranian, a region which got invaded by Proto Iranics, Greeks, Arabs, mongols, Turks (cultural identity) ... I don't go around claiming I am an outsider to feel unique on streets of Tehran.

Even regular indians are annoyed by this kind.
 
Persians & the Islamic state of Iran

Farrukh Dhondy

In his words: "I am just a professional writer, which means I don't do blogs and try and get money for whatever I write."

Published : Jun 16, 2018, 6:14 am IST
Updated : Jun 16, 2018, 6:58 am IST


If there was a survey today in Iran, 80 per cent of people would say they want to follow the Zardushti religion.

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“God nominates some chosen people
And promises them a chunk of land
He impregnates a Jewish virgin
In ways we’ll never understand.
He sends us his commandments
He even dictates books
We dare not call it magic
Though that’s how it all looks.”
From “Waat ee Dees? Komdi ka Pees” by Bachchoo

Some years ago, being in Toronto, I took the opportunity to visit a cousin who lives there. Toronto is a vast conurbation and I took a taxi back late at night. Less than a minute after we started, the driver, in friendly north- American fashion, asked me “How was your day, bud?” he had a thick accent which I tentatively placed.

I said my day was good and he remarked that my accent was not American. I said it was Indian tinged with British and said why and remarked that his accent wasn’t either.

“I am from Persia,” he said.

We were perhaps 10 miles into our journey, making idle chit chat when he asked me my name. When I told him he said “So, you are Muslim?”

“No,” I said, “I’m not,” trying to balance telling the truth against what I thought might give him offense.

“But that is a Muslim name,” he said.

“Well, long before the Muslims adopted it, it was a Persian name – pre the Arab conquest of Iran – 641 AD or so,” I said.

He looked away from the road and at me very curiously.

“So you are not Muslim?”

I couldn’t dodge any further. I said “No, I was born a Zardushti,” using the term he, as an Iranian, would recognise.

He swerved the car to the curb and stopped suddenly. I was, to say the least, bewildered.

“You are Zardushti? So am I,” he said.

“So what’s your name?”

He said it was Abdul or Ahmed or something distinctly Muslim.

“But that’s not a Zoroastrian name.”

“No, no, no, I was born Muslim but I believe in “Humata. Hukta, Huvareshta””, he said, the Zoroastrian creed. “What more religion do we need?”

He proceeded to tell me that the conversion of Persia (he insisted on that name though I pointed out that the ancient Zoroastrian Kings had named it “Eran”) to Islam was a tragedy and had to be reversed.

I pointed out that apostasy was considered a capital offence in Islam.

He said he didn’t care as he believed that 80 per cent of the Persian population would embrace Zoroastrianism if they were given a free choice – which I said was not likely. He agreed.

When we got to where I was going, he wouldn’t take the taxi fare.

Years later, last week, I had my haircut at my neighbourhood barber. The establishment is run by Aftab, a young Persian hair-stylist. We make routine conversation. After the normal politeness, we discuss politics and this week, we naturally got on to Trump and his moves towards peace with North Korea.

That’s all very well, said Aftab and proceeded to support Trump’s pronounced aggressive policy towards Iran and the denuclearisation treaty from which the US has withdrawn. Aftab didn’t seem perturbed as my white locks fell like snow upon the cloaking barber-sheet. He said it’s what the mullahs deserve.

“Surely, it’s dangerous for peace in the Middle East and the world?” I said. He said he didn’t care and went on to say that Iran had fought a Shia-Sunni war with Iraq in which he had lost relatives.

Now Israel together with Sunni Saudi Arabia was threatening Shia Iran. The divisions between Shia and Sunni had been the cause of slaughter for hundreds of years. This was barber-shop conversation if a little elevated from descriptions of holidays or condemnation of recent local stabbings in our streets.

Then he said something unexpected. “Islam is an Arab religion,” he said, “and this Sunni-Shia business is something imported from an old Arab dispute. It shouldn’t have anything to do with us Persians. If there was a survey today in Iran, 80 per cent of people would say they want to follow the Zardushti religion.” I said that statistic seemed unlikely to me but he insisted the population was tired of the rule of mullahs.

Suppose, just suppose, that the unlikely and pigs-will-fly contentions of my two informants, the conversations separated by years but both from the mouths of immigrants or exiles from their native Iran/ Persia, are accurate!

And suppose, further, that some revolutionary upheaval in favour of converting whoever wishes to Zoroastrianism takes place in the old country... the hypothesis poses several burning questions.

Will there then come about a “secular” state of Iran with freedom of religious belief, or even a religious Zoroastrian one as were the states of the Achaemenid (“Hakamanyush”, distorted by the Greeks) and Sassanian dynasties?

And will such a new state end all enmity and activity such as the Iranian support for Hamas, Hezbollah and the Houtis? And that nuclear capability?

And the final question: What will the bigots of the Parsi community of India who oppose any conversion to the religion say? Will they oppose the reconversion of Iran to the religion that invented the singular God? Or will they swallow hard, and in chewing their prejudices say that Zoroastrian blood still runs in the veins of the Iranian population, lending a racial justification to the conversion?

Apart from the questions, these conversational observations lead me to a regret. I have, for some time now, wanted to visit or revisit Pasargade and Perseppolis. Perhaps reporting these conversations here will, through the tracking agencies of the current Iranian State, deny me a tourist visa to Persia.

More inhibiting is the thought that they’d grant me a visa and arrest me when I reach Iran, try me and throw me in jail on charge of reporting conversations subversive of the Islamic status quo.

That’s not fantasy. It’s happened to one Nazneen Radcliffe. Look her up and sign the petition!

http://www.asianage.com/opinion/oped/160618/persians-the-islamic-state-of-iran.html

Cheers, Doc
 
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