The Plight of the Adivasis, Indian State Terrorism & the Moist Rebellion

[harpoon]

Yeah, I noticed.

Doesn't change the basic facts though. The Maoists are pretty much terrorists, i.e. they kill innocent people. And their victims are mostly their fellow tribals, the same people they claim to be protecting.

Honestly though, I am just freaked out that it might happen in China again. We've already seen what extreme forms of Maoist ideology did over here. The Red Guards and the Cultural Revolution, among other things.

I remember Indian Communists being very sympathetic to Maoists but once they turned against Indian Communists terming them as 'traitors' and 'sell outs', their support simply vaporized.

 

[Basanti]

How about declaring an extremely fragile situation in those areas, to keep the media out and taking the help of security forces to move all the tribals to another location, build permanent houses for them, give them land and assistance and let them do farming(cuz i dont think they ll be able work anywhere other than the primary industries). It would be better if we were to provide them an all round assistance from horticulturalists and agri-scientists and all that.

 

[harpoon]

I believe the Goverment should increase attempts to bring these Tribals into mainstream society . Offer them free education to catch up with our fast paced competitive world, aggressively pursue educational programs about the benefits of working in our industries , subsidize their living costs etc etc.

Quickly modernize the Tribals and the maoists loose their main support base.

But the big question is ,How we are going to help a group of people who are not ready to help themselves?

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How about declaring an extremely fragile situation in those areas, to keep the media out and taking the help of security forces to move all the tribals to another location, build permanent houses for them, give them land and assistance and let them do farming(cuz i dont think they ll be able work anywhere other than the primary industries). It would be better if we were to provide them an all round assistance from horticulturalists and agri-scientists and all that.

Will not work in India.

 

[Basanti]

why? because it is not possible logically or just because we guys dont have the balls to do it?

 

[nForce]

okay , it hasnt worked foe the last 3o years. hope for a better future

We should not forget the fact the India is a third world country,and has been under severe sanctions for decades.this resulted in a cash starved nation with a billion of population.

There was not much that India could do for public welfare in the cities let alone the tribal areas.People should have shown more solidarity at that time and joined hands in helping the government instead of acting against it.

Now that we have the money,the government is indeed taking positive steps to increase the level of public services.Now it will be an impediment to development if the maosists tend to blow up the newly constructed roads,isn't it?Building something is difficult,destroying it may prove comparatively easier.

Also,let us not confuse between the naxalites that originated from Naxalbari of West Bengal(hence the name Naxalite) in the 1960s and the present generation terrorists,for their goals and modus operandi differ way too much.
The present generation naxalites/maoists are nothing less of a terrorist.Hence they loose credibility to the educated population.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

I believe the Goverment should increase attempts to bring these Tribals into mainstream society . Offer them free education to catch up with our fast paced competitive world, aggressively pursue educational programs about the benefits of working in our industries , subsidize their living costs etc etc.

Quickly modernize the Tribals and the maoists loose their main support base.

I don't believe that human beings in general are against development. People want to feed their families, people want to have food security.

Maybe 0.5% of the global population would prefer to live in the wilderness given the opportunity, but no more than that.

It seems more like the Maoists are forcing the tribals to turn against development. They are not really against the idea of development, but against the idea of change.

 

[harpoon]

why? because it is not possible logically or just because we guys dont have the balls to do it?

This part seems true. It needs a lot of political will to move a group of people as you mentioned without facing opposition from everybody ranging from opposition parties, socialists, human right organizations etc etc and our politicians don't have the balls to undertake such drastic measures.

 

[nForce]

I believe the Goverment should increase attempts to bring these Tribals into mainstream society . Offer them free education to catch up with our fast paced competitive world, aggressively pursue educational programs about the benefits of working in our industries , subsidize their living costs etc etc.

Quickly modernize the Tribals and the maoists loose their main support base.

We are already doing that:

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The opportunities are being provided.these people only have to be pro-active and be a part of progress.Nobody is going to serve them with whatever they desire decorated on a platter.

These so-called social activists too should actually do some work that matters in reality instead of doing cheap publicity stunts.They are all of -"all show no go" kind......

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

I remember Indian Communists being very sympathetic to Maoists but once they turned against Indian Communists terming them as 'traitors' and 'sell outs', their support simply vaporized.

This is exactly what happened in West Bengal . It led to several CPIM men being killed by naxalites .

 

[alphamale]

some strict measures are required to end this Maoist menace but unfortunately the present govt is not doing enough. with this approach it will take another 3 decades to end the Maoist movement. stick + development is the only solution.

 

[Urbanized Greyhound]

But the big question is ,How we are going to help a group of people who are not ready to help themselves?

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Will not work in India.

I personally prefer the Carrot-and-stick approach applied successfully by the Chinese. Incentives , drives to create awareness of the benefits of rising living standards on one hand ...while using maximum force a.k.a Indian army to deal with the extremists ( maoists and their ideologues) .

This neither-here-nor-there attitude that we are following will get us nowhere.

Otherwise everytime we see a development project somewhere , short sighted people will be there in hoards to oppose it like Singur and Nandigram in West Bengal.

People don't see the long term benefits of Industrialization , they act on short term losses . Our industrial boards and planners in the Government have the necessary foresight in these things , not the common man.

The trick is how the Government "sells" these proposed progressive measures to the people ...make them realize the benefits .

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Who are the "Adivasis"... and how are they different from other Indians?

In the documentary in the OP, they interviewed some Adivasis, and they said that they face a lot of discrimination, and cannot get jobs, and so cannot afford to feed their families. According to the Adivasis who were interviewed, they fight the Indian state, because they will die either way.

They're probably one of the earliest waves of people to enter India. Throughout history they never really integrated into mainstream India. They are Hindu, but they are not even in the caste system.

 

[indianspetsnaz]

They're probably one of the earliest waves of people to enter India. Throughout history they never really integrated into mainstream India. They are Hindu, but they are not even in the caste system.

they are jungle/forest dwellers who remained as uncontacted peoples until the British discovered them living in forests and jungles the British made no attempts to govern the Adivasis and they were given de facto autonomy majority of the poor and starving in India are Adivasis or come from the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes

 

[Water Car Engineer]

they are jungle/forest dwellers who remained as uncontacted peoples until the British discovered them living in forests and jungles the British made no attempts to govern the Adivasis and they were given de facto autonomy majority of the poor and starving in India are Adivasis or come from the scheduled castes and scheduled tribes

Wrong, the British didn't "discovered them". They were known about well before the British.

 

[harpoon]

Wrong, the British didn't "discovered them". They were known about well before the British.

But they were never integrated into the main stream and we are now paying for that folly.