The Pakistan Ultimatum

[SMC]

You're telling me what a hyperbole is? What do you think I am? And this is a hyperbole? Good god. Ok for one second let's assume it is.

It really does make a difference if your whole argument or a good part of it depends on the exaggeration.

No exaggeration, the argument falls apart or doesn't sound as strong.

Btw, you do realize that arguments built on sarcasm and hyperbole are as weak as arguments can be? Because it means you can't use facts to prove your point and have to retort to sarcasm to form the basis of your claim.

That's the problem with hyperbole and sarcasm.

But I really don't think this 'whole world' stuff is meant to be an exaggeration. It's a big leap from a small number of countries (2-4) countries to the whole world if you're knowingly exaggerating. Change the whole world to 2-4 countries... see how the strength of a claim drops. So if your argument depends heavily on it, is false or much weaker without the exaggeration then it's to re-think the claim.

 

[toxic_pus]

You're telling me what a hyperbole is? What do you think I am? And this is a hyperbole? Good god. Ok for one second let's assume it is.

It really does make a difference if your whole argument or a good part of it depends on the exaggeration.

No exaggeration, the argument falls apart or doesn't sound as strong.

Btw, you do realize that arguments built on sarcasm and hyperbole are as weak as arguments can be? Because it means you can't use facts to prove your point and have to retort to sarcasm to form the basis of your claim.

That's the problem with hyperbole and sarcasm.

But I really don't think this 'whole world' stuff is meant to be an exaggeration. It's a big leap from a small number of countries (2-4) countries to the whole world. Change the whole world to 2-4 countries... see how the strength of a claim drops. So if your argument depends heavily on it, is false or much weaker without the exaggeration then it's to re-think the claim.

It doesn't really weaken this argument though. Cause, people realize that the reference to 'whole world' only means the world effected. The same way when you say to someone, 'hang on a second', you don't expect him to wait for exactly one second, 'hyperbole' is used to stress on a point.

If 2-4 countries are effected by something, you can't expect the remaining countries to comment on it. Pointing out that other countries are not commenting is being specious because the other countries just don't have anything to comment on. Hence my earlier reference to Eskimos. The phrase 'whole world' would mean these 2-4 countries only but it won't be apparent to people who are more interested in evasions and stalls. For example, this is the 6th post on the phrase 'whole world' which has nothing to do with OP.

 

[Bang Galore]

It doesn't really weaken this argument though. Cause, people realize that the reference to 'whole world' only means the world effected. The same way when you say to someone, 'hang on a second', you don't expect him to wait for exactly one second, 'hyperbole' is used to stress on a point.

If 2-4 countries are effected by something, you can't expect the remaining countries to comment on it. Pointing out that other countries are not commenting is being specious because the other countries just don't have anything to comment on. Hence my earlier reference to Eskimos. The phrase 'whole world' would mean these 2-4 countries only but it won't be apparent to people who are more interested in evasions and stalls.

Better to go in with a different argument. Which country supports this Pakistan position on terrorism? Anyone else supporting Taliban? LeT? Cupboard pretty bare, I expect.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

What difference does it really make?

Well, it is quite unreasonable to use the phrase "the whole world" (as foxbat did). This phrase seems to be far too common.

Especially since it doesn't apply to large chunks of the world, such as China (1.3 billion people), and the Islamic world (1.5 billion people).

These two combined, make up almost half of the global population.

Then Africa (1 billion) and South America (0.4 billion), etc.

 

[justanobserver]

Especially since it doesn't apply to large chunks of the world, such as China (1.3 billion people), and the Islamic world (1.5 billion people).

Islamic world supports Pakistani terrorism ?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Islamic world supports Pakistani terrorism ?

Ridiculous question, why don't you try reading the thread first next time.

 

[muse]

However Islamabad chooses to act, the U.S. has a vital national interest in pursuing Taliban and al Qaeda leaders in their Pakistani sanctuaries, both for the sake of the war in Afghanistan and the security of the American homeland. Pakistan can choose to cooperate in that fight and reap the benefits of an American alliance. Or it can oppose the U.S. and reap the consequences, including the loss of military aid, special-ops and drone incursions into their frontier areas, and in particular a more robust U.S. military alliance with India.

In the wake of 9/11, the Bush Administration famously sent Secretary of State Colin Powell to Islamabad to explain that the U.S. was going to act forcefully to protect itself, and that Pakistan had to choose whose side it was on. It's time to present Pakistan with the same choice again

From the bottom of my heart, with utmost sincerity, I hope the US does just as the WSJ Op/Ed piece recommends and I hope it does it in a manner that the Pakistan army cannot paper over the US position, that is to say it must be clear, zero ambiguity.

 

[justanobserver]

Ridiculous question, why don't you try reading the thread first next time.

The Arabs don't sympathize with Pakistanis on terrorism . Iran infact has blamed Pakistan as the source for terrorism in many of their provinces.

There goes most of the Islamic world

 

[justanobserver]

Especially since it doesn't apply to large chunks of the world, such as China (1.3 billion people), and the Islamic world (1.5 billion people).

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Here an opinion from one of the key members of the "islamic world"

Iran blames Pakistan for attack

Ahmadinejad says Pakistani agents had role in Sunday's attack in Sistan-Baluchestan- Al Jazeera

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

The Arabs don't sympathize with Pakistanis on terrorism . Iran infact has blamed Pakistan as the source for terrorism in many of their provinces.

There goes most of the Islamic world

Learn to read please, I was replying to foxbat and then toxic_pus.

Regarding SMC's argument.

 

[muse]

But the Arabis are themselves the greatest sponsors of terrorism - where do you think the Pakistani Talib and Sunni extremist organizations get their funding from?

 

[Kaniska]

You made a valid point and it seems that every one in Pakistan agrees that it is difficult to win war in Afghanistan by force. Even i completely agree with you.
It is a meaningless and futile exercise to fight a war in AF without expecting any major ROI. But the important question is if the people and GOV of Pakistan knows about it then why did it support the war in its 1st place? Is it not the GOP is not strong enough to articulate its reservations to the world. Pakistan blames USA for all of its mess. But i think this entire mess again is approved and supported by Pak GOV it self. This sounds funny. Every day US drone attacks Pakistan still then your GOV and powerful army just make some nominal token based protests? It is easy to put blame on USA, but the fact is same thing is happening since last 10 years, what are steps that GOP has taken to maintain its sovereignty?....In spite of being attacked by none other than US fighter drones withing your boundary...still then your army and gov has a good relationship with USA...

Now in this circumstances...whom should you blame for?? Is it USA? If yes..then try to understand than USA is trying to get benefit by taking war on Afgan to inside pak ...but what is the advantage the people of pak,GOP and army is getting by allowing US to bring war on terror inside pakistan..
Then you should first blame your own people rather than outsiders...

 

[justanobserver]

Learn to read please, I was replying to foxbat and then toxic_pus regarding the phrase "the whole world".

lol I was replying to your grandiose claims

and the Islamic world (1.5 billion people).

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

lol I was replying to your grandiose claims

Does Iran count for most of the Islamic world then?

What is the population of Iran?

 

[justanobserver]

Does Iran count for most of the Islamic world then?

What is the population of Iran?

I hope you know that Iran is the spiritual center for Shia Islam.