The PAF is set to receive a batch of Egyptian Air Force Mirage-Vs

[HAIDER]

Pakistan has diplomatic relations with India, we let their planes fly over our airspace, we let their trade pass through Pakistan to Afghanistan all the while Indians are actively murdering Kashmiri people and actively pursuing to isolate Pakistan and you are worried about Egypt's relations with Israel? who are you to object?

It was Nawaz Shareef surrender to aloo ghost. Personal business and nationalism never go togather ...He sold the national interest for personal gain and surrendered Pak foreign policy infront of Indian business tycoons by not appointing any foreign minister during his rule.

 

[Thorough Pro]

A perfect example of "Sawal-eGundum, Jawab-e-Jow"

It was Nawaz Shareef surrender to aloo ghost. Personal business and nationalism never go togather ...He sold the national interest for personal gain and surrendered Pak foreign policy infront of Indian business tycoons by not appointing any foreign minister during his rule.

 

[imrankhan7250]

A perfect example of "Sawal-eGundum, Jawab-e-Jow"

Guys! What do you ink if PAF used RC400 radar and missiles on JF 17 block 1.
As was planned in 2000.

 

[Humble Analyst]

Dear fact wont change SISI has meeting with israeli agencies this is worldknowing fact what egypt has done in last 30 yrs against israel nothing

Fact is getting those old jets and upgrading them we can get new jets but in low numbers

Remember qualitive edge was PAF big weapins once but new chiefs think they can win in numbers which they willl regret


Paf is set like a computer as of they decided they will never buy new jets other than these vintages entire world is stupid decomissioning these and we are buying them

Well it is bad that such old planes have to be used but it really sad to see that a lot of people do not understand that Mirage is the only Attack plane which can deliver certain weapons. JF 17 is restricted due to its low ground clearance or it has short legs, F16 has its own restrictions. Under the circumstances Mirage is the most dependable attack Air Craft in PAF inventory. They are fast and can fly low

 

[MastanKhan]

Well it is bad that such old planes have to be used but it really sad to see that a lot of people do not understand that Mirage is the only Attack plane which can deliver certain weapons. JF 27 is restricted especially it has low ground clearance, F16 has its own restrictions. Under the circumstances Mirage is the most dependable attack Air Craft in PAF inventory. They are fast and can fly low

Hi,

The good thing about the mirage is that it is very cheap---. Its loss will not effect the strike capability and there are many others on standby---.

So---at least we have one aspect of strike on different operational dimensions covered---from short to medium range---.

The one and the most important aspect that is missing is the longer range heavy strike---.

So---either lease some H6's or lease a couple of sqdrns of JH7A11's---.

What has happened in the Paf HQ it clearly shows that the Paf had been extremely lackadaisical in procuring the much needed aircraft---. They have always reacted rather than be pro-active---.

Their problem is that they promise big---and they do it out of training---yes we can---we are brave---we are strong---.

But modern weapons and warfare has brought a change in fighting and the thinking of the commanders---. The commanders knowingly state that they are under powered and keep harranging for more and more.

Case in point Gen Scharzeneger---300 k troops were not enough till he got around 550K troops against a third rate enemy and all the air power---.

 

[melb4aust]

The one and the most important aspect that is missing is the longer range heavy strike---.

So---either lease some H6's or lease a couple of sqdrns of JH7A11's---.

QUOTE]

I would rather, PAF have some multirole, air/ground superiority fighters to perform this job than old generation JH7's. Mig-35 or SU-32 are better options instead.

 

[HttpError]

Apart from this deal, PAF should look into acquiring a new platform (preferably a twin-engine jet) for deep strike missions. We need to counter this Rafale threat which will be looming soon at our borders.

 

[MastanKhan]

Hi

The day of multi role when facing a very large enemy are over---. We have a unique geography against our enemy---.

We need dedicated strike crew & aircraft for bombing runs---. These coming wars are not going to be a cake walk for bombing runs of the past---.

Many a times the Paf has bragged about beating the USAF in training excercises---one time it was the F15's from germany---later it came out they were from ground strike units and not of air superiority---.

 

[Army research]

Hi

The day of multi role when facing a very large enemy are over---. We have a unique geography against our enemy---.

We need dedicated strike crew & aircraft for bombing runs---. These coming wars are not going to be a cake walk for bombing runs of the past---.

Many a times the Paf has bragged about beating the USAF in training excercises---one time it was the F15's from germany---later it came out they were from ground strike units and not of air superiority---.

Germany doesn't operate a single f15

 

[MastanKhan]

Germany doesn't operate a single f15

Hi,

I never said germany used them---.

Hi,

I believe over a decade ago---I stated over here---all you need is a brick and put a powerful engine on it to fly---that as the range---and carry strike weapons and has the most modern EW package---you can rest assured that this system would work---.

A strike aircraft and an air superiority aircraft are genetically two different aircraft---.

In the past we have seen these aircraft doing both the jobs---but with the invent of modern anti air suppression weapons in the arena---their utility in their own individual fields would be enhanced and it has to be enhanced---.

The pilots are going to face a threat never seen before in the air to air combat---the bvr missile---so they will have to learn to excel in their own unique field---.

Why is a dedicated strike aircraft must for pakistan---I am not talking about Paf---but pakistan---.

It is because of pakistan's unique geography facing india at that certain angle and location of gwadar / pasni---which are way out of the reach of enemy awacs and constant surveillance---that when any aircraft lift off from bases in that region---they can strike a multitude of extremely importat & vulnerable enemy targets on indian shoreline from standoff distances at will---.

 

[CT-9914 "Snoop"]

Guys! What do you ink if PAF used RC400 radar and missiles on JF 17 block 1.
As was planned in 2000.

The KLJ-7 used on the JF-17 I has 105/85 km range for Air/Land targets and can track 10 and target 2 targets simultaneously. The 7V2 version used on the JF-17 II has an increased air-to-air range of 130 km and possibly other improvements.
The RC400 was stated, by Thales, to have a 20% decrease in range over the RDY radar for air-to-air due to lesser power consumption. One edge it has over the KLJ-7 is the number of targets it can track/target simultaneously are 24/8.

Although the RC400 has inferior range that wouldn't have been a problem as the JF-17 program developed further. One advantage that would've come of this would've been the compatibility of the radar with Erieye AEWACS. Diminishing the need to operate another platform (ZDK-03).
Personally, I think the JF-17 should've had more Western origin subsystems to reduce dependency on the Chinese and to have a more of an export appeal.

How does the RC400 and the ground attack capabilities of the Horus compare to the Grifo M3/ SAGEM FLIR and our ROSE I/III and how likely is it that at least some of these birds might become operational?

 

[Dazzler]

The KLJ-7 used on the JF-17 I has 105/85 km range for Air/Land targets and can track 10 and target 2 targets simultaneously. The 7V2 version used on the JF-17 II has an increased air-to-air range of 130 km and possibly other improvements.
The RC400 was stated, by Thales, to have a 20% decrease in range over the RDY radar for air-to-air due to lesser power consumption. One edge it has over the KLJ-7 is the number of targets it can track/target simultaneously are 24/8.

Although the RC400 has inferior range that wouldn't have been a problem as the JF-17 program developed further. One advantage that would've come of this would've been the compatibility of the radar with Erieye AEWACS. Diminishing the need to operate another platform (ZDK-03).
Personally, I think the JF-17 should've had more Western origin subsystems to reduce dependency on the Chinese and to have a more of an export appeal.

How does the RC400 and the ground attack capabilities of the Horus compare to the Grifo M3/ SAGEM FLIR and our ROSE I/III and how likely is it that at least some of these birds might become operational?

RC-400 is roughly equal to Grifo M3 in range and engagement modes. KLJ-7V2 is better than both in general performance.

 

[Arsalan]

Most of these will go to support existing fleet with 8 to 12 planes PROBABLY going operational.

Equipped with H2, H4, REK and they give a decent CHEAP strike platform

 

[jupiter2007]

Most of these will go to support existing fleet with 8 to 12 planes PROBABLY going operational.

Equipped with H2, H4, REK and they give a decent CHEAP strike platform

If the frames are good, these should be upgraded to rose block4 program.

 

[ssethii]

Who else thinks these aircraft will be rebuilt and upgraded to increase their utility and life. Plus it would give insight to the french radar systems.