The New Pakistan US Relationship (After the Salala Check-Post Attack)

[A1Kaid]

There is no need for US military trainers to be in the country. Is FC not capable of conducting COIN? If they do come let them feel welcomed as they deserve to be.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

BS. Unless Pakistan kills al Qaeda, US drones will. End of story ......

Pakistan has neutralized more AQ members than any other country in the world - which even the US has admitted.

The problem is US paranoia about the ISI 'hiding under every rock' and a US need to find a scapegoat for its failures in Afghanistan.

 

[A1Kaid]

BS. Unless Pakistan kills al Qaeda, US drones will. You are either with US or against US. End of story, your choice .....

US drones will continue until the Pakistani government changes, US can precisely conduct drones because of this GoP. Not because you can force your way. The day a Pakistani Government forcefully puts an end to this and threatens real response you will see.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

There is no need for US military trainers to be in the country. Is FC not capable of conducting COIN? If they do come let them feel welcomed as they deserve to be.

I agree - I don't really see the point of having US military trainers in Pakistan, unless we are talking about trainers for the civilian LEA's.

 

[TruthSeeker]

The problem is US paranoia about the ISI 'hiding under every rock' and a US need to find a scapegoat for its failures in Afghanistan.

No, the "problem" is al Qaeda is still in Pakistan. Eliminate al Qaeda (Zawahiri) from Pakistani soil, and US-Pakistani relations will INSTANTLY improve.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

No, the "problem" is al Qaeda is still in Pakistan. Eliminate al Qaeda (Zawahiri) from Pakistani soil, and US-Pakistani relations will INSTANTLY improve.

So you are implying that the US has intelligence on Zawahiri that it isn't sharing with Pakistan ...

This would be yet another display of US deception and backstabbing, along the lines of the OBL Raid - Pakistan neutralizes hundreds of AQ leaders and members, provides vital intelligence that leads to OBL, not least of which is intelligence that leads to tracking down OBL's courier, and the US hides the leads it develops from Pakistan provided intelligence, insults Pakistan, deceives Pakistan, and conducts an illegal military operation on the soil of an Ally, risking the potential of nuclear war between India and Pakistan, and putting innocent Pakistani lives at risk.

The problem here IS US PARANOIA, ARROGANCE, WAR MONGERING AND DECEPTION.

 

[VelocuR]

No, the "problem" is al Qaeda is still in Pakistan. Eliminate al Qaeda (Zawahiri) from Pakistani soil, and US-Pakistani relations will INSTANTLY improve.

No, you don't have a proof. There is no things of improvements of US-Pakistan. US historically stab their friends in the back for sure. Good news is we try at least to analyst US mentality and behaviors related to disorder issues and past wars.

End of story......

 

[TruthSeeker]

US historically stab their friends in the back for sure.

Your statement is a total lie. You have zero "proof" of your statement.

 

[Don Jaguar]

“It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal”. Said : Henry Kissinger.

 

[prabhakar]

I don't think americans are back stabber... all of their friends are in a good state... (Korea, japan, middle east, europe etc..)

 

[TruthSeeker]

^^^^^^


“It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal”

Henry Kissinger said in November 1968, after Richard Nixon was elected U.S. president but before he took office: “Nixon should be told that it is probably an objective of Clifford to depose Thieu (South Vietnamese president Nguyen Van Thieu—ed.) before Nixon is inaugurated. Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.”

The quotation referred to America’s role in Vietnam. If America doesn’t stand by its friends and allies, the quotation explains, then it might ultimately be less dangerous to be America’s enemy.

The saying was re-used in the 2000s, during the war on terror, when some critics felt the United States might weaken its resolve to wage the war. Critics of the foreign policy of President Obama in 2009 used the saying about United States’ seemingly wavering support for its allies in Israel, Honduras and Eastern Europe (Poland, Ukraine, Czech Republic).


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Kissinger was speaking hypothetically, not as his opinion of the true behavior of the US. Your quote is a classical "out-of-context" canard.

 

[AbhimanyuShrivastav]

“It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal”. Said : Henry Kissinger.

The complete quote was as follows .. No surprise that some Pakistanis cherry pick a line out of context to score a point

"“Nixon should be told that it is probably an objective of Clifford to depose Thieu (South Vietnamese president Nguyen Van Thieu—ed.) before Nixon is inaugurated. Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.”
"

And btw, isnt Pakistan picking up on what Nixon said 40 years too late ??

 

[Don Jaguar]

I don't think americans are back stabber... all of their friends are in a good state... (Korea, japan, middle east, europe etc..)

Yes, indeed.

Middle east.

Japan.

Europeans.

 

[Don Jaguar]

^^^^^^


“It may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal”

Henry Kissinger said in November 1968, after Richard Nixon was elected U.S. president but before he took office: “Nixon should be told that it is probably an objective of Clifford to depose Thieu (South Vietnamese president Nguyen Van Thieu—ed.) before Nixon is inaugurated. Word should be gotten to Nixon that if Thieu meets the same fate as Diem, the word will go out to the nations of the world that it may be dangerous to be America’s enemy, but to be America’s friend is fatal.”

The quotation referred to America’s role in Vietnam. If America doesn’t stand by its friends and allies, the quotation explains, then it might ultimately be less dangerous to be America’s enemy.

The saying was re-used in the 2000s, during the war on terror, when some critics felt the United States might weaken its resolve to wage the war. Critics of the foreign policy of President Obama in 2009 used the saying about United States’ seemingly wavering support for its allies in Israel, Honduras and Eastern Europe (Poland, Ukraine, Czech Republic).


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Kissinger was speaking hypothetically, not as his opinion of the true behavior of the US. Your quote is a classical "out-of-context" canard.

Post # 294, Shows your friend of past and what you have done with them.

The biggest example of american back stabbing is my country (pakistan) itself.

 

[TruthSeeker]

The biggest example of american back stabbing is my country (pakistan) itself.

Well, it is highly debatable who stabbed whom. Personally, I think that Pakistan has stabbed the US in the back by harboring terrorists like the Haqqanis and al Qaeda who kill your allies, i.e. us.