The New Pakistan US Relationship (After the Salala Check-Post Attack)

[Farooq]

Ron Paul wants to stop all foreign interference. He is becoming more and more popular in US because people are sick of wars. If he gets elected then there won't be any drone strikes in Pakistan.

What do you suggest? How do we stop drone strikes? Pakistan should take it down like Iran? Expect a Pakistan-bashing from everyone in U.S. then, and then Obama's policies for Pakistan will become popular in U.S. and he will get re-elected.

Obama said even before he became President that he would enter Pakistan without Pakistan's permission and he did. How is he better than any Republican for Pakistan. U.S.-Pakistan relations are at its lowest because of Obama's policies.

Even the man who is now leading the polls is better than Obama.

http://www.defence.pk/forums/strate...s/151180-would-seek-influence-pak-romney.html

Mitt Romney is a anti-Muslim bigot & Obama is a fraud. ONLY Ron Paul is good

 

[regular]

I will support RonPaul cuz he is the only hope for the world peace other than that everybody is a liar......

 

[Imran Khan]

where gone that bloody air defense which we read last month our great forces deploy to afghan border ?

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Pakistan: Fully Functional Air Defense Installed Along Afghan Border
Military Warns It Will Shoot Down NATO Planes, Helicopters During Future Attacks
by Jason Ditz, December 09, 2011

never seen lairs like you guys before

Pakistan: Fully Functional Air Defense Installed Along Afghan Border -- News from Antiwar.com

 

[Peaceful Civilian]

where gone that bloody air defense which we read last month our great forces deploy to afghan border ?

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Dude this Air defense system is protecting US airbases in Afghanistan.
While they use drones and helicopters to test their weapons into Pakistan.
Pakistan supply them Route and Oil (on discount) so that they can fly and test weapons in Pakistan



never seen lairs like you guys before

Pakistan: Fully Functional Air Defense Installed Along Afghan Border -- News from Antiwar.com

Dude this system is protecting US airbases in Afghanistan.
While they use drones and helicopters to test their weapons into Pakistan.
Pakistan supply them Route and Oil (on discount) so that they can fly and test weapons in Pakistan

 

[prabhakar]

I think rather than shooting down drones .. PAF should have warned them and escorts them out of Pakistan. In this way Pakistan send the right message without escalating the issue.

 

[sreekimpact]

ISLAMABAD: With the parliamentary re-evaluation of the relationship with the US nearing completion, Pakistan has indicated that it was set to resume full spectrum of bilateral ties.

“We are looking forward to re-engaging with the US on issues of mutual interest and importance,” Foreign Office Spokesman Abdul Basit said on Thursday at the weekly media briefing.

The desire to re-engage, Mr Basit noted, was mutual as both sides were interested in getting past the last November border incident in which 24 Pakistani soldiers lost their lives.

The Nato attacks had led to review of terms of engagement with the US.

During the review process, Islamabad refused to welcome visiting US officials — the latest being the cancelled trip of Special Envoy for Afghanistan and Pakistan Marc Grossman.

Mr Basit’s comments come after Parliamentary Committee on National Security completed the review of the relations with Washington.

The 35 recommendations submitted by the parliamentary body for ratification by a joint sitting of the parliament have agreed to renew the “important” relationship based on “mutual respect and mutual interest.”

The recommendations are likely to sail through the parliament because of the bi-partisan nature of PCNS, which has drafted them.

The recommendations would set the parameters for the complicated relationship between the two allies in war on terror.

Mr Basit, speaking about the PCNS recommendations, said: “We’ll lead to a positive outcome for both sides (Pakistan and the US.)

He further said that Pakistan’s desire was to have a more stable relationship that was not accident prone.

“We want relationship that is free from ups and downs of a roller coaster ride.”

The most significant development expected as a result of the resumption of ties is the restoration of the suspended Nato supply route.

Though, Mr Basit twice said at the briefing that he was unaware about any proposal to reopen the blocked route, diplomatic sources have separately indicated that PCNS had paved the way for the government to reopen the Nato supply route after getting assurances from the US that there will be no repeat of the 26/11 attacks on Pakistani border posts by coalition forces in Afghanistan.

The government may introduce new conditions, including a tax on the Nato cargo transported through Pakistan, before announcing the resumption of the flow of supplies through its territory.

The government had reacted to the November 26 border incident by closing down the crucial supply route and asking the US to vacate the Shamsi airbase, which was once used for drone attacks. The airbase was vacated within the deadline given by the government.

During the closure of the supply route that is now into tenth week, tens of thousands of containers with supplies for coalition forces in Afghanistan have piled up at the Karachi port. US vessels again started arriving at the port with more supplies earlier this month following a secret meeting in Qatar between ISI Chief Lt Gen Shuja Pasha and US officials.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

So the question is, outside of potential tariffs on NATO supplies transiting through Pakistan, what are the other recommendations proposed by the 'bipartisan parliamentary committee'?

And would the passage and implementation of these conditions by parliament indicate that parliament is taking responsibility for Pakistan's relations with the US going forward, since both the opposition and ruling coalition have vetted and approved these recommendations?

 

[Screambowl]

So the question is, outside of potential tariffs on NATO supplies transiting through Pakistan, what are the other recommendations proposed by the 'bipartisan parliamentary committee'?

And would the passage and implementation of these conditions by parliament indicate that parliament is taking responsibility for Pakistan's relations with the US going forward, since both the opposition and ruling coalition have vetted and approved these recommendations?

I think this is the way Pakistan uses its Strategic Location. But Americans are still ready to pay.

 

[Imran Khan]

Pak-US ties still on hold: FM Hina Rabbani Khar


ISLAMABAD: Foreign Minister Hina Rabbani Khar said on Thursday that relations between Pakistan and the US were still on hold over the NATO attack.

The foreign minister added that Pakistan and the US could only re-engage once Islamabad re-evaluated ties.

Khar also called on the US not to push Pakistan to after of bring the Haqqani group or other militants to any Afghan peace process.

Pak-US ties still on hold: FM Hina Rabbani Khar

 

[BATMAN]

I understand when foreign combatant kill a civilian Pakistani, his blood money is given to the relatives of deceased but when a soldier is murdered his blood money goes to PARLIAMENT.

If ISPR do not issue notification clearly uncovering the hypocrite politicians, than they will loose it all.

Propagandist will never admit that Pakistan parliament is basically a dictatorial body, who approve any thing for cash.

At least there is no doubt about, who control army and transit aid.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

congs to $$$$ lovers and RIP to pakistan . nation waiting for mass drone attacks from tommorow . be happy pakistanis

As a senior member, please refrain from resorting to these kinds of comments - any one can post abuse and tripe, but the above does not offer either constructive or insightful commentary on events, leave alone a potential path forward.

 

[RazPaK]

Government should be ousted.

 

[Omar1984]

 

[Meengla]

I think this is the way Pakistan uses its Strategic Location. But Americans are still ready to pay.

Indians and Pakistanis should know this: "Doodh ka jala chaach phoonkh...".

There is nothing wrong with Pakistan re-calibrating its policies and opening the tap of cooperation slowly. The stupidity of NATO attack--not to mention its obvious cruelty--has given Pakistan the option ask for more concessions.

There is a lot of overlap in US-Pakistani interests. Indeed, Pakistani economy, for instance, is too tied with the West to make it easy for Pakistan to completely break-away. And obviously Pakistan provides some utility to American presence in the region.

Both countries have been playing a game of brinkmanship where one's perceived blunders are exploited by the other. Before the OBL raid, the 'strategic dialog' were hot topics. After the raid, Panetta thought it fit to humiliate Pakistan by exploiting a weakness. After the November 26, 2011 Nato slaughter of Pakistani troops, Pakistan has the upper hand.

Anyway, it remains to be seen what kind of concessions are offered by Pakistan and on what price. My hunch is that this time some shiny F16s won't be enough.

 

[Abu Zolfiqar]

well i would ask the very basic and elementary question


what will be different now......and what measures would be taken to regain confidence and trust, that was totally eroded in 2010-2011