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The new enemy...

Call it whatever, it is the manufacturing of "facts" that is the problem.

Hi,

You don't want me to post he pictures over here---now do you!

@levina

Off course----Kashmir is the core issue---. It needs to be resolved---it must be resolved.

The U S defense industry is looking at a perspective sale of around 10-20 billion + dollars a year. Their lobby groups don't want any peace.
 
The new enemy…

It was almost 25 years ago that former Soviet Union came crumbling down like a pack of cards, this brought about the end of cold war era; the world was jubilant that a nuclear apocalypse was avoided, but on the other side a question came to the fore: who is going to be America’s next enemy?

By 1990’s when USSR had already splintered, America had come a long way walking hand in hand with terrorist organizations, CIA had painfully breastfed many of these organizations in different parts of the world to curb spread of communism… or so it thought. In 1970’s CIA along with Saudi intelligence had supported the Egypt brotherhood [r] , which had a huge fan following throughout the Arab world; It is said that Kissinger himself played the role of an intermediary between King Faisal and Anwar Sadat, who was the secretary of world muslim congress in Egypt. In Indonesia, CIA had supported Sarekat Islam and a countercoup against Sukarno [1] ; the American intelligence agency’s activities in Indonesia were mainly to check PRC’s influence in the region. Soon CIA along with MI6 and ISI (subsidized by KSA) helped in increasing the footage of Jamaat-E-Islami in Pakistan, this was accompanied by the opening of fundamentalist madrassas, the core opposition to Pakistan’s progress today.

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In the late 80’s, CIA along with the house of Sauds had come up with a sinister plot in Afghanistan; they had created a “database” of thousands of Islamic extremists, who were then trained and provided with weapons to form the formidable Al-Qaeda. Three years after the formation of Al-Qaeda, Soviet had gone kaput and Afghani Jihad against USSR was no more needed.But the organisation,Al-Qaeda, had already come into being and it was striving to survive...
By early 90’s Al-Qaeda had dropped its roots in Yemen which was evident by the bombing of the Movenpick Hotel; it soon started showing its presence in Somalia(’92), Istanbul (’94), Nairobi, Tanzania (’98), and the final straw was bombing of American warship, USS Cole, at Aden in 2000. By then CIA had realized that its former protégé had turned against the system and that they had no control over it whatsoever.

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USS cole, after bomb attack.


9/11 was the end of CIA- Al Qaeda illegitimate relationship; Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and his disciple Jalaluddin Haqqani were no more CIA’s fav commanders but the 2nd & 3rd on the hitlist after Mullah Omar of Taliban. At this point its needless to say that Osama Bin Laden was also nothing but an American pawn, turned rogue.

America’s relationship with terror groups has always been a love-hate affair; they were/ are used to further America’s interests and then dumped as soon as they lose their lustre. As much as it might deny, America has always used extremism as its weapon of foreign policy, consciously and sub-consciously.

Islamic state is the latest of US weapons which has started to backfire, presently ISIS holds a region under siege which is as big as United Kingdom. ISIS became a menace to America when it beheaded few American journalists in Iraq. But would America own up the responsibility for creating a breeding ground in Iraq for terrorists (like ISIS) after Saddam???

If not anything, in post-Saddam era US had consciously supported a shia-majority government in Iraq, closed down factories in the belief that free market would create jobs, whilst hundreds of sunnis lost their jobs and were dispossessed of their assets. American government had promised the world and its domestic audience to bring peace by capturing Saddam, au contraire they ended up adding fuel to the sectarian fire in the region. The sunni discontent helped in the formation of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, the same group rebranded itself as ISIS and refocused in Syria.

There’re 3 wars being fought in Syria, one is between the Assad government and the rebels, second one is between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and the third one (which is a shadow war) being fought between the cold-war era enemies America and Russia. Assad is a key Russian ally, and to bring him down CIA had armed the rebels with M16 assault rifles, it must have been really embarrassing for America when the rebels started to flaunt it in front of the reporters.



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Islamic State fighters parade through Raqqa in Syria. The militant on the left holds an American-made M16 assault rifle. Photograph: Reuters

Not so long back America mulled the possibilities of an intense attack on Assad regime for using chemical weapons; lest we forget, that in 1988 America had helped Iraq during the waning days of Iraq-Iran war by sending satellite imagery of Iran’s troop’s movement to Saddam’s army, fully aware that he might attack with chemical weapons.[r] Ironical!!!

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ISIS is not just a weapon for America to be used against Al-Assad, but is also its trump card to pressurize Iran. Despite the fact that western medias have repeatedly shown Iran as a warmonger, it is interesting to note that America since its inception in 1776 has indulged in 53 military invasions and expeditions.

Does Iran really have the potential to attack America, is it economically viable for Iran to lock horns with the behemoth of this century???
A little cogitation will tell you that the answer would always be a big fat NO.

It is unfortunate that while America was the sole reason behind most of the wars fought around the world in last 2 decades, the blame had to be shouldered by the followers of Islam; Islamophobia has effected the guilty and innocent followers of Islam alike.

America which is perpetually on look-out for a new enemy forgets the fact that it is its own enemy. Truth is, that the only way America can win its “War On Terror” is if it stops pumping money into creating terrorist outfits aimed at attacking other countries. The bigger picture will show you that the Taliban, ISIS & co. ‘re nothing but the pawns of terrorism, while the real terrorists attack innocents with jets,missiles and drones.


References:
1. Fundamentalism observed: By Martin E. Marty, R. Scott Appleby
2. The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America

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Yes. Islamists are just babies. America is the real bad guy. End of story. :D
Just like India is. Supporting non Muslim settlements in Muslim territory. And then India cries 'Terrorists are killing us Indians'. They had it coming. :mad:

NOT.
 
This is not the USS Cole.

For starters, who exactly asked the question "who is going to be America’s next enemy?" as the opening paragraph claims. This article has conspiracy theory written all over it. What's the source, please?

All nations need an eternal enemy to untie their population under one platform, specially a country whose economy runs on war, financing heroin trade & financing terrorists organisation around the world. The very first enemy of ancestors of Americans were the Natives, after that it was the USSR, Now its Islam, we can only guess who will be next.
 
All nations need an eternal enemy to untie their population under one platform, specially a country whose economy runs on war, financing heroin trade & financing terrorists organisation around the world. The very first enemy of ancestors of Americans were the Natives, after that it was the USSR, Now its Islam, we can only guess who will be next.


That was the old 'thing'-----. The U S &its lacky great britain has fckd this situation up so bad in the last 14 years----that you really do not need any enemies no more.

The more developed and technologically advanced that you are----the more you will be afraid of the current day terrorists-----. They just need to start with succeeding at their first major strike----. The scenarios of these strikes have been talked about many a works of fiction and real assessments in the U S and world over.

All these masters of disasters---the smart weapons sellers---the master blasters are just hiding around with their heads shoved between their legs and no clue to what to do. The world heading for a total chaos----and the only people who are happy are the born again Christians---waiting for the messiah to come---for them the time is getting closer---they have done all they could to start a disaster in the middle east.
 
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All nations need an eternal enemy to untie their population under one platform, specially a country whose economy runs on war, financing heroin trade & financing terrorists organisation around the world. The very first enemy of ancestors of Americans were the Natives, after that it was the USSR, Now its Islam, we can only guess who will be next.


Hi,

The thing is that after 9/11----the U S policy was extremely obvious and visible---and Pakistan had the opportunity to throw in the monkey wrench in the American planning of destroying Afghanistan and middle east----.

What was needed was for Pakistan to have understood the consequences---they should have given a serious thought to have a 200000 thousand Christian army coming to invade Afghanistan. To have stopped them in their endeavor of the conquest by executing Osama Bin Laden and his team thru a military action themselves---handed over the dead bodies of the wanted criminals tot he americans.

I equally blame Pakistan for the murder of muslims in Afghanistan by the Christian American and bristish forces and also the murder of muslims in Iraq by the Christian American and British forces.

All these fools were busy arguing about the conspiracies of who did the twin towers and not seeing what was coming and what was going to happen----whereas they should have busy standing behind the Pak army and forcing it to go in and kill Osama Bin Laden and his team in Afghanistan---these Pakistan morons were busy condemning their own military.
 
But putting entire blame on US is absurd. US is just exploiting the weaknesses being unchallenged so far n same is the case with Islamic region..... Not to forget US also attacked Vietnam yet Vietnam did not slip into bloodshed or chaos post war like in ME.... why .... Not very hard to guess...
US complicit cold war policy had its own consequences though....
 
US administration one after the other has had an insatiable appetite to get into war at some place on the globe.
The question remains what drives this drive?
Is it US's stand as sole guardian of Democratic institution and freedom on the planet, is it the fact that US is the only Super power at the moment or is it the weapon industry complex?
You need a reason for this to remain relevant and that just perhaps might be the answer why one needs a new enemy every time around.
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Yes. Islamists are just babies. America is the real bad guy. End of story. :D
Just like India is. Supporting non Muslim settlements in Muslim territory. And then India cries 'Terrorists are killing us Indians'. They had it coming. :mad:
NOT.

America has a lot to answer for, Islamists are basically mercenaries who will be sold to the highest bidder...
 
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Nothing of the sort. Look at any nation's actions by the same jaundiced eye and and they all look yellow. The OP remains prejudicial and infantile, but only in my view. I am sure others will find it intellectually awesome. I will let them take this thread forward as I feel I have nothing more to add here, having made my point.
Call my original post juvenile and absurd, but the fact remains that you've accepted that US of A does not have a decorous past or present and also you've not countered my OP, so I guess am not so off the mark. :)

@levina

Off course----Kashmir is the core issue---. It needs to be resolved---it must be resolved.

The U S defense industry is looking at a perspective sale of around 10-20 billion + dollars a year. Their lobby groups don't want any peace
I have been saying this since long...but many like @Gufi accuse me of getting too involved with kashmir.
Who can deny that the biggest beneficiary of India's free spending on weapons is none other than U.S???
India is now the largest defense market for America’s defense industry, and its appetite for U.S.-made military gear is likely to get even stronger; we have already crossed $3 billion mark this year, and at this rate in next 3-4 years we might give them a $10billion business (like you said).

Yes. Islamists are just babies.
No...they've been manipulated to America's advantage. Btw it doesnt apply to all. :)

But putting entire blame on US is absurd. US is just exploiting the weaknesses being unchallenged so far n same is the case with Islamic region..... Not to forget US also attacked Vietnam yet Vietnam did not slip into bloodshed or chaos post war like in ME.... why .... Not very hard to guess...
US complicit cold war policy had its own consequences though....
ME has been disturbed since time immemorial, I would not compare it with Vietnam.
 
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Call my original post juvenile and absurd, but the fact remains that you've accepted that US of A does not have a decorous past or present and also you've not countered my OP, so I guess am not so off the mark. :)


I have been saying this since long...but many like @Gufi accuse me of getting too involved with kashmir.
Who can deny that the biggest beneficiary of India's free spending on weapons is none other than U.S, India is now the largest defense market for America’s defense industry, and its appetite for U.S.-made military gear is likely to get even stronger; we have already crossed $3 billion mark this year, and at this rate in next 3-4 years we might give them a $10billion business (like you said).


No...they've been manipulated to America's advantage. Btw it doesnt apply to all. :)


ME has been disturbed since time immemorial, I would not compare it with Vietnam.
Then you shouldn't not blame US dear.... Most probably Isis is born out of the usual rift which we shouldn't talking about ....
 
ISIS was allowed to grow and feed on innocents.
Do you also know why ISIS was allowed to grow and feed on the innocent?
Just answer a couple of questions:what if there was no ISIS?
What would have happened to the ''guilty'' Syrians protesting Assad and the ''guilty'' Iraqi's protesting Maliki?
Ever think of that?
 
Do you also know why ISIS was allowed to grow and feed on the innocent?
Just answer one question:what if there was no ISIS?
What would have happened to the ''guilty'' Syrians protesting Assad and the ''guilty'' Iraqi's protesting Maliki?
All agog!!!
Go on tell me your version of the story... :)
 
All agog!!!
Go on tell me your version of the story... :)
I agree with most of what you wrote but you blamed only some of the guilty parties,Teach.
We both know that when people are ''happy'',they have no reason to protest.
Both Syria and Iraq had exclusive(Sunnis out) governments,had they included all parts of the population,there would never have been sectarian violence in both countries.
Both Maliki and Assad should be blamed first,then the rest.
ISIS is bad,but you also need to look at the choices people in both countries have,either flee the country,live in a refugee camp and forget about ever returning,or you can fight against the regime.
The FSA is a joke,no chance against the regime but ISIS kicks azz,so the choice is obvious,even if you are against their philosophy.
 
I have been saying this since long...but many like @Gufi accuse me of getting too involved with kashmir.
Who can deny that the biggest beneficiary of India's free spending on weapons is none other than U.S, India is now the largest defense market for America’s defense industry, and its appetite for U.S.-made military gear is likely to get even stronger; we have already crossed $3 billion mark this year, and at this rate in next 3-4 years we might give them a $10billion business (like you said).
Keep spending on your defence or buy whatever you want, does not effect a Kashmiri. Have a huge occupying force and try and win, it has worked great for so many year. Better yet keep your laws which are similar to Nazi Germany at its worst. But whatever you do does not affect the cause of Kashmir. Post your threads, remember one thing that Kashmir is not going to repressed, the IB is not an option and come what may, there will be no resolution unless you hold an UN mandated referendum there. Till then dream on about peace, but reality is there will be no compromise, not an iota of bargaining, and all the obsessing there is, will not change it.
I say you obsess because I see no threads on the other freedom struggles, I see no threads by you on the great murderous game played with witnesses at this time, I say it because I see no discussion on any issue as seriously as you chase Kashmir. Go target Vyapam for instance, I have waited to see a thread on that by you. I waited for a thread on the abuse of doctors by patients and their kin in India, or the Home ministry declaring Nagaland a 'disturbed area' in their words.

@MastanKhan Go ask someone from Kashmir how they feel rather then treat them as someone not worthy of participating in the debate. Resolving it is a must, but not as a tool for trade or a tool for the betterment of others at the expense of the Kashmiri people.
 

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