The new enemy...

[VCheng]

Hi,

It is not hatred----but rather disgust at the stupidity---there is a big difference between the two.


Abu Ghraib torture and prisoner abuse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Call it whatever, it is the manufacturing of "facts" that is the problem.

 

[Levina]

Al-Qaeda was the name of that database?

Yeah that's what I read

Not by the followers of Islam, rather those who commit violence and terror in the name of Islam

well I meant that while only a few committed violence in the name of Islam, the blame had to be shouldered by muslims around the world (I've cleared it in the next sentence in my OP).

 

[Norwegian]

DAMN, I wanna hack Pentagon and retrieve that database!

well I meant that while only a few committed violence in the name of Islam, the blame had to be shouldered by muslims around the world (I've cleared it in the next sentence in my OP).

Yes, its called guilt by association. A jew commits a crime and all Jews gets the blame.

 

[OrionHunter]

America which is perpetually on look-out for a new enemy forgets the fact that it is its own enemy. Truth is, that the only way America can win its “War On Terror” is if it stops pumping money into creating terrorist outfits aimed at attacking other countries. The bigger picture will show you that the Taliban, ISIS & co. are nothing but the pawns of terrorism, while the real terrorists attack innocents with jets,missiles and drones.

That's the crux of the issue. America's doctrine of 'regime change by any means' for establishing a New World Order (NWO) has resulted in a world of chaos and bloodshed.

 

[Norwegian]

That's the crux of the issue. America's doctrine of 'regime change by any means' for establishing a New World Order (NWO) has resulted in a world of chaos and bloodshed.

How about the world's richest nations come together and force America to taste its own medicine via regime change in America? Oh, wait, Israel's already been doing it for decades in their favor. They don't buy elections, they buy politicians

 

[VCheng]

I wanted to include "Kashmir" and more on America's Islamophobia too. I strongly believe that it works in the favor of super powers to keep the Kashmir issue burning; I have said this many times on the forum and the only other member whose thoughts 're congruous with mine on this is @MastanKhan .

Kashmir is a bilateral issue, and no one else has any interest in seeing it go on. Nobody is preventing India and Pakistan from working it out among themselves. You see, it is a popular tactic to blame everything on USA, to divert attention from real guilty parties. (Until the next earthquake or flood or economic meltdown.)

 

[Levina]

DAMN, I wanna hack Pentagon and retrieve that database!

Its a very interesting story....


Shortly before his untimely death, former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook told the House of Commons that “Al Qaeda” is not really a terrorist group but a database of international mujaheddin and arms smugglers used by the CIA and Saudis to funnel guerrillas, arms, and money into Soviet-occupied Afghanistan. Courtesy of World Affairs, a journal based in New Delhi, WMR can bring you an important excerpt from an Apr.-Jun. 2004 article by Pierre-Henry Bunel, a former agent for French military intelligence.


“I first heard about Al-Qaida while I was attending the Command and Staff course in Jordan. I was a French officer at that time and the French Armed Forces had close contacts and cooperation with Jordan . . .


“Two of my Jordanian colleagues were experts in computers. They were air defense officers. Using computer science slang, they introduced a series of jokes about students’ punishment.


“For example, when one of us was late at the bus stop to leave the Staff College, the two officers used to tell us: ‘You’ll be noted in ‘Q eidat il-Maaloomaat’ which meant ‘You’ll be logged in the information database.’ Meaning ‘You will receive a warning . . .’ If the case was more severe, they would used to talk about ‘Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.’ Meaning ‘the decision database.’ It meant ‘you will be punished.’ For the worst cases they used to speak of logging in ‘Al Qaida.’


“In the early 1980s the Islamic Bank for Development, which is located in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, like the Permanent Secretariat of the Islamic Conference Organization, bought a new computerized system to cope with its accounting and communication requirements. At the time the system was more sophisticated than necessary for their actual needs.


“It was decided to use a part of the system’s memory to host the Islamic Conference’s database. It was possible for the countries attending to access the database by telephone: an Intranet, in modern language. The governments of the member-countries as well as some of their embassies in the world were connected to that network.


“[According to a Pakistani major] the database was divided into two parts, the information file where the participants in the meetings could pick up and send information they needed, and the decision file where the decisions made during the previous sessions were recorded and stored. In Arabic, the files were called, ‘Q eidat il-Maaloomaat’ and ‘Q eidat i-Taaleemaat.’ Those two files were kept in one file called in Arabic ‘Q eidat ilmu’ti’aat’ which is the exact translation of the English word database. But the Arabs commonly used the short word Al Qaida which is the Arabic word for “base.” The military air base of Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is called ‘q eidat ‘riyadh al ‘askariya.’ Q eida means “a base” and “Al Qaida” means “the base.”


“In the mid-1980s, Al Qaida was a database located in computer and dedicated to the communications of the Islamic Conference’s secretariat.


“In the early 1990s, I was a military intelligence officer in the Headquarters of the French Rapid Action Force. Because of my skills in Arabic my job was also to translate a lot of faxes and letters seized or intercepted by our intelligence services . . . We often got intercepted material sent by Islamic networks operating from the UK or from Belgium.


“These documents contained directions sent to Islamic armed groups in Algeria or in France. The messages quoted the sources of statements to be exploited in the redaction of the tracts or leaflets, or to be introduced in video or tapes to be sent to the media. The most commonly quoted sources were the United Nations, the non-aligned countries, the UNHCR and . . . Al Qaida.


“Al Qaida remained the data base of the Islamic Conference. Not all member countries of the Islamic Conference are ‘rogue states’ and many Islamic groups could pick up information from the databases. It was but natural for Osama Bin Laden to be connected to this network. He is a member of an important family in the banking and business world.


“Because of the presence of ‘rogue states,’ it became easy for terrorist groups to use the email of the database. Hence, the email of Al Qaida was used, with some interface system, providing secrecy, for the families of the mujaheddin to keep links with their children undergoing training in Afghanistan, or in Libya or in the Beqaa valley, Lebanon. Or in action anywhere in the battlefields where the extremists sponsored by all the ‘rogue states’ used to fight. And the ‘rogue states’ included Saudi Arabia. When Osama bin Laden was an American agent in Afghanistan, the Al Qaida Intranet was a good communication system through coded or covert messages.
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Untimely death of Robin cook, the man who revealed this...

Kashmir is a bilateral issue, and no one else has any interest in seeing it go on. Nobody is preventing India and Pakistan from working it out among themselves. You see, it is a popular tactic to blame everything on USA, to divert attention from real guilty parties. (Until the next earthquake or flood or economic meltdown.)

Now..now..sir
Lets not be myopic, India is one of the largest importers of weapons today. The amount of weapons we (as in your country and mine) import helps in swelling the pockets of few countries with "huge weapon" industry.
If kashmir issue is solved and if the relations between Pakistan and India 're thawed then who's at loss???
I want you to answer this question.

 

[VCheng]

Now..now..sir
Lets not be myopic, India is one of the largest importers of weapons today. The amount of weapons we (as in your country and mine) import helps in swelling the pockets of few countries with "huge weapon" industry.
If kashmir issue is solved and if the relations between Pakistan and India 're thawed then who's at loss???
I want you to answer this question.

So is anybody forcing India to buy all these weapons, or is it doing that by its own choice? Could it be that it is the decisions of India and Pakistan's own internal power apparati that want to keep this issue boiling so that they can justify their absolute holds on authority? Look at it this way: If the Kashmir issue is solved and if the relations between Pakistan and India are thawed, then who gains the most? It is up to those who gain the most to resolve the issue.

 

[Levina]

So is anybody forcing India to buy all these weapons, or is it doing that by its own choice? Look at it this way: If the Kashmir issue is solved and if the relations between Pakistan and India are thawed, then who gains the most? It is up to those who gain the most to resolve the issue.

I gave you one of the reasons why it works in favor of US, Russia and few other countries to keep Kashmir burning and yes, India is being forced to buy weapons. We share fractious relationship with both China and Pakistan and ergo we need to keep up with the defence upgrades in the region.

Could it be that it is the decisions of India and Pakistan's own internal power apparati that want to keep this issue boiling so that they can justify their absolute holds on authority?

I know what you're hinting at and for the same reason I avoided adding Kashmir to the OP, i did contemplate doing so. I didnot want to make this thread into a India Vs Pak thread so I avoided bringing subcontinent to discussion.

 

[Srinivas]

One must have the weakness to be exploited by the enemies !

I also do not agree with US war mongering and their designs.

 

[WAJsal]

Soon CIA along with MI6 and ISI (subsidized by KSA) helped in increasing the footage of Jamaat-E-Islami in Pakistan, this was accompanied by the opening of fundamentalist madrassas, the core opposition to Pakistan’s progress today.

This part is a little wrong, considering why would ISI want to help a faction which will cause troubles in future. Makes no sense? needs correction.

 

[Norwegian]

This part is a little wrong, considering why would ISI want to help a faction which will cause troubles in future. Makes no sense? needs correction.

Its well documented how elements in the army colluded with the Jamatis during 1953 anti-Qadiani riots and later during 1971 independence of Bangladesh. There is a REASON why Jamati leaders are put on trial and hanged for their war crimes committed during that war.

 

[WAJsal]

Its well documented how elements in the army colluded with the Jamatis during 1953 anti-Qadiani riots and later during 1971 independence of Bangladesh. There is a REASON why Jamati leaders are put on trial and hanged for their war crimes committed during that war.

Well documented? is there any proof of this myth? makes no sense. In fact sounds quite stupid, ISI funding a faction which would later on hurt Pakistan. Note: JUI is a political party not some militant organization . What's next ISI funding BLA or TTP.

 

[Biplab Bijay]

The new enemy…

It was almost 25 years ago that former Soviet Union came crumbling down like a pack of cards, this brought about the end of cold war era; the world was jubilant that a nuclear apocalypse was avoided, but on the other side a question came to the fore: who is going to be America’s next enemy?

By 1990’s when USSR had already splintered, America had come a long way walking hand in hand with terrorist organizations, CIA had painfully breastfed many of these organizations in different parts of the world to curb spread of communism… or so it thought. In 1970’s CIA along with Saudi intelligence had supported the Egypt brotherhood [r] , which had a huge fan following throughout the Arab world; It is said that Kissinger himself played the role of an intermediary between King Faisal and Anwar Sadat, who was the secretary of world muslim congress in Egypt. In Indonesia, CIA had supported Sarekat Islam and a countercoup against Sukarno [1] ; the American intelligence agency’s activities in Indonesia were mainly to check PRC’s influence in the region. Soon CIA along with MI6 and ISI (subsidized by KSA) helped in increasing the footage of Jamaat-E-Islami in Pakistan, this was accompanied by the opening of fundamentalist madrassas, the core opposition to Pakistan’s progress today.

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In the late 80’s, CIA along with the house of Sauds had come up with a sinister plot in Afghanistan; they had created a “database” of thousands of Islamic extremists, who were then trained and provided with weapons to form the formidable Al-Qaeda. Three years after the formation of Al-Qaeda, Soviet had gone kaput and Afghani Jihad against USSR was no more needed.But the organisation,Al-Qaeda, had already come into being and it was striving to survive...
By early 90’s Al-Qaeda had dropped its roots in Yemen which was evident by the bombing of the Movenpick Hotel; it soon started showing its presence in Somalia(’92), Istanbul (’94), Nairobi, Tanzania (’98), and the final straw was bombing of American warship, USS Cole, at Aden in 2000. By then CIA had realized that its former protégé had turned against the system and that they had no control over it whatsoever.

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USS cole, after bomb attack.


9/11 was the end of CIA- Al Qaeda illegitimate relationship; Gulbuddin Hekmatyar and his disciple Jalaluddin Haqqani were no more CIA’s fav commanders but the 2nd & 3rd on the hitlist after Mullah Omar of Taliban. At this point its needless to say that Osama Bin Laden was also nothing but an American pawn, turned rogue.

America’s relationship with terror groups has always been a love-hate affair; they were/ are used to further America’s interests and then dumped as soon as they lose their lustre. As much as it might deny, America has always used extremism as its weapon of foreign policy, consciously and sub-consciously.

Islamic state is the latest of US weapons which has started to backfire, presently ISIS holds a region under siege which is as big as United Kingdom. ISIS became a menace to America when it beheaded few American journalists in Iraq. But would America own up the responsibility for creating a breeding ground in Iraq for terrorists (like ISIS) after Saddam???

If not anything, in post-Saddam era US had consciously supported a shia-majority government in Iraq, closed down factories in the belief that free market would create jobs, whilst hundreds of sunnis lost their jobs and were dispossessed of their assets. American government had promised the world and its domestic audience to bring peace by capturing Saddam, au contraire they ended up adding fuel to the sectarian fire in the region. The sunni discontent helped in the formation of Al-Qaeda in Iraq, the same group rebranded itself as ISIS and refocused in Syria.

There’re 3 wars being fought in Syria, one is between the Assad government and the rebels, second one is between Iran and Saudi Arabia, and the third one (which is a shadow war) being fought between the cold-war era enemies America and Russia. Assad is a key Russian ally, and to bring him down CIA had armed the rebels with M16 assault rifles, it must have been really embarrassing for America when the rebels started to flaunt it in front of the reporters.



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Islamic State fighters parade through Raqqa in Syria. The militant on the left holds an American-made M16 assault rifle. Photograph: Reuters

Not so long back America mulled the possibilities of an intense attack on Assad regime for using chemical weapons; lest we forget, that in 1988 America had helped Iraq during the waning days of Iraq-Iran war by sending satellite imagery of Iran’s troop’s movement to Saddam’s army, fully aware that he might attack with chemical weapons.[r] Ironical!!!

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ISIS is not just a weapon for America to be used against Al-Assad, but is also its trump card to pressurize Iran. Despite the fact that western medias have repeatedly shown Iran as a warmonger, it is interesting to note that America since its inception in 1776 has indulged in 53 military invasions and expeditions.

Does Iran really have the potential to attack America, is it economically viable for Iran to lock horns with the behemoth of this century???
A little cogitation will tell you that the answer would always be a big fat NO.

It is unfortunate that while America was the sole reason behind most of the wars fought around the world in last 2 decades, the blame had to be shouldered by the followers of Islam; Islamophobia has effected the guilty and innocent followers of Islam alike.

America which is perpetually on look-out for a new enemy forgets the fact that it is its own enemy. Truth is, that the only way America can win its “War On Terror” is if it stops pumping money into creating terrorist outfits aimed at attacking other countries. The bigger picture will show you that the Taliban, ISIS & co. ‘re nothing but the pawns of terrorism, while the real terrorists attack innocents with jets,missiles and drones.


References:
1. Fundamentalism observed: By Martin E. Marty, R. Scott Appleby
2. The Road to 9/11: Wealth, Empire, and the Future of America

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Ok. So I did not know that you also do conspiracy theories. And you did well. I think its one of the best survival tactics on this forum. You will last very long in this forum.

 

[Norwegian]

Well documented? is there any proof of this myth? makes no sense. In fact sounds quite stupid, ISI funding a faction which would later on hurt Pakistan. Note: JUI is a political party not some militant organization . What's next ISI funding BLA or TTP.

The predecessor of the party (Jamaat-e-Islami Pakistan) strongly opposed the independence of Bangladesh and break-up of Pakistan. In 1971, it collaborated with the Pakistani Army in its operations against Bengali nationalists and pro-liberation intellectuals. Many of its leaders and activists participated in paramilitary forces[11] that were implicated in war crimes, such as mass murder, especially of Hindus, rape and forced conversions of Hindus to Islam.[12][13][14][15]Jamaat-e-Islami members led the formation of the Shanti Committee, and the Razakar and Al-Badr paramilitary forces.[11][16][17]

Upon the independence of Bangladesh in 1971, the new government banned Jamaat-e-Islami from political participation and its leaders went into exile in Pakistan. Following the assassination of the first president and the military coup that brought Maj. Gen. Ziaur Rahman to power in Bangladesh in 1975, the ban on the Jamaat was lifted and the new party Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh was formed. Its leaders were allowed to return. Abbas Ali Khan was the first Amir of Jamaat-e-Islami Bangladesh. The Jamaat agenda is the creation of an "Islamic state" with the Shariat legal system, and outlawing "un-Islamic" practices and laws.

Bangladesh Jamaat-e-Islami - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Here is some background on Jamaat-e-Islami:

Maududi created the party to influence the leadership of the Muslim community dominated by the Muslim League who sought a separate, independent state for Muslims (to be called Pakistan) following the withdrawal of the British from India. The Muslim League wanted to prevent domination of Muslims by the majority Hindus, but expressed no interest in an Islamic state, i.e. ruling the state according to Sharia law, the traditional injunctions of the Quran and Sunnah. These included abolition of interest-charged on loans, sexual separation and veiling of women, hadd penalties such as flogging and amputation for alcohol consumption, theft, fornication, and other crimes.[5]

Maududi created Jamaat-e-Islami with the objective of making post-colonial India (or a separate Muslim state if the Muslim League got its wish), an Islamic state.[6] Although this would be the result of an "Islamic revolution", the revolution was to be achieved not through a mass organizing or a popular uprising but by what he called "Islamization from above", by winning over society's leaders through education and propaganda, and through putting the right people (JI members) in positions of power.[7][8][9]incrementally and through legal means.[10][11]

Mawdudi believed politics was "an integral, inseparable part of the Islamic faith". Islamic ideology and non-Islamic ideologies (such as capitalism and socialism, liberalism or secularism) were mutually exclusive. The creation of an Islamic state would be not only be an act of piety but would be a cure for all of the many (seemingly non-religious) social and economic problems that Muslims faced.[8][9] Those working for an Islamic state would not stop at India or Pakistan but would effect a sweeping revolution among mankind, and control all aspects of the world's life.[12]

Jamaat-e-Islami - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Looking at Pakistan's history since its creation, it comes as no Surprise that Jamatis have had their way all along. First Objective Resolution, later Qadianis were declared non-Muslims through supposedly 'national' parliament. Then came Zia's Islamization and all the shitty Hudood and modesty laws. And only recently Islamic words are banned in English as well by Zia's Baqiat Nawaz Sharif.
Good luck, if you still believe all this is mere coincidence. Jamaat-e-Islami in collusion with other Islamist parties, radical elements in the military have successfully infiltrated the Pakistani society for decades, yet no one dare to talk about it.