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I think u.s is still ahead in airforce and navy from rest of world and are also developing space force but they are not good at troops on ground and land based invasion.I think to keep superiority in weapons and technology u.s needs to end wars in afghanistan and middle east and spend this money on more research in defense sector, u.s focus is only on short term benefits but they are not focusing on long term objectives
 
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Depends upon which enemy we are talking about ...

If you are talking about China or Russia.... No its absolutely not..
 
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You guys should know that asymmetrical forces always trump (no pun intended :D) conventional ones.

History is littered with smaller, less resourceful nations/tribes/communities winning against bigger and more powerful foes.

Recent examples are Vietnam & Afghanistan, going back further the American Revolution itself where a bunch of farmers kicked out the superpower of the time (Great Britain).

Going back on topic, there is no such thing as US military dominance. It might look so on paper but reality is quite different and the way things are looking, the US might go back to being a regional power OR/& other power blocs will rise and contend the title of "super power".

I think u.s is still ahead in airforce and navy from rest of world and are also developing space force but they are not good at troops on ground and land based invasion.I think to keep superiority in weapons and technology u.s needs to end wars in afghanistan and middle east and spend this money on more research in defense sector, u.s focus is only on short term benefits but they are not focusing on long term objectives

Right....one of the many reasons the "Space Force" was created to target the "kill-chain" of the Chinese A2/AD ballistic missiles which pose a serious threat to US CBG's in the SCS.

If China can't get access to pinpoint location of the US CBG's through its satellites then it's A2/AD strategies will be ineffective.

On the other hand, the Chinese have greatly improved their underwater surveillance systems to and are working on UUV (Underwater Unmanned Vehicles) as well as UAV based mini AWACs. I'm sure China is working on its own Space Force too.

Another way to ensure the survivability of the kill chain is to rapidly launch small and regular sats so as to keep up with the amount of downed satellites.

DARPA (Defence Advanced Research Projects Agency), brainchild of the Pentagon, has started a initiative on rapid launch sats.
 
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You guys should know that asymmetrical forces always trump (no pun intended :D) conventional ones.

History is littered with smaller, less resourceful nations/tribes/communities winning against bigger and more powerful foes.

Recent examples are Vietnam & Afghanistan, going back further the American Revolution itself where a bunch of farmers kicked out the superpower of the time (Great Britain).
This is actually not a very good argument.

In the old days, the only way to destroy a country was to literally invade the country, salt the fields, break the dams, poison the wells, kill off the first borns, etc...etc...

Today, with ballistic missiles and bombers, an invasion is actually an option. You invade the country because you want something other than destruction. The US could have destroyed North Viet Nam and Afghanistan from afar without risking a single Army trooper.

In Viet Nam, the bombing campaign was so destructive that it actually compelled the North to plead for a ceasefire for 'peace negotiation'. Everyone knew the plea was bogus but the US and SVN had no choice. To refuse the so called 'negotiation' would give NVN the needed political ammunition on the world stage to portray the US/SVN alliance as cruel warmongers. At the same time, the UN knew NVN would renege on any deal and the members would give NVN a pass at deception. The outcome of Vietnam War had more to do with politics than military capabilities.

In Afghanistan, it is no different. The US military could have lobbed missile after missile, and dropped MOAB after MOAB, and there would be nothing anyone can say and do to stop US. We could have destroyed every power station, every water sources, every farm field, etc...etc...And not a single US troop loss.

Going back on topic, there is no such thing as US military dominance.
Yes, there is. Desert Storm proved it.

It might look so on paper...
Paper is enough of a deterrence. It was Soviet and Chinese papers that convinced Saddam Hussein he could take on US, much to his sorrow and to the embarrassment of the Soviet and Chinese military leaderships. So paper cuts (pun intended) both ways. Either you get foolish and gamble at the green table, or you wise up and back off when faced against US based upon paper. It was paper that convinced the Soviets that the US and allies held the qualitative advantage during the Cold War. Then Soviet electronics engineer Adolf Tolkachev worked for US and gave US plenty of paper proving that we indeed did held the technological advantage.
 
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It was Soviet and Chinese papers that convinced Saddam Hussein he could take on US, much to his sorrow and to the embarrassment of the Soviet and Chinese military leaderships.
Get your facts straight first, China condemned Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and supported UN military action against Iraq.
 
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i think russia and china were not much stronger at time of sadam Hussain,now realities are different and Syria is proof of it ,where due to russian presence u.s failed to remove asad from power like they did with Sadam and qadaffi and instead u.s has left kurdish militant and moved their military out of Syria
This is actually not a very good argument.

In the old days, the only way to destroy a country was to literally invade the country, salt the fields, break the dams, poison the wells, kill off the first borns, etc...etc...

Today, with ballistic missiles and bombers, an invasion is actually an option. You invade the country because you want something other than destruction. The US could have destroyed North Viet Nam and Afghanistan from afar without risking a single Army trooper.

In Viet Nam, the bombing campaign was so destructive that it actually compelled the North to plead for a ceasefire for 'peace negotiation'. Everyone knew the plea was bogus but the US and SVN had no choice. To refuse the so called 'negotiation' would give NVN the needed political ammunition on the world stage to portray the US/SVN alliance as cruel warmongers. At the same time, the UN knew NVN would renege on any deal and the members would give NVN a pass at deception. The outcome of Vietnam War had more to do with politics than military capabilities.

In Afghanistan, it is no different. The US military could have lobbed missile after missile, and dropped MOAB after MOAB, and there would be nothing anyone can say and do to stop US. We could have destroyed every power station, every water sources, every farm field, etc...etc...And not a single US troop loss.


Yes, there is. Desert Storm proved it.


Paper is enough of a deterrence. It was Soviet and Chinese papers that convinced Saddam Hussein he could take on US, much to his sorrow and to the embarrassment of the Soviet and Chinese military leaderships. So paper cuts (pun intended) both ways. Either you get foolish and gamble at the green table, or you wise up and back off when faced against US based upon paper. It was paper that convinced the Soviets that the US and allies held the qualitative advantage during the Cold War. Then Soviet electronics engineer Adolf Tolkachev worked for US and gave US plenty of paper proving that we indeed did held the technological advantage.
 
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Anyone from Vietnamese heritage are fond of spreading fake stuff if there's anything i have noticed. Fake news, exaggeration, praising the god mighty USA endlessly who has no equal. The recent revelation of Russian and Chinese very advanced attack/defense systems are nothing short of admiration. Ordinary people could tell those military hardware being showcased or reported are way ahead of USA.
 
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Get your facts straight first, China condemned Saddam's invasion of Kuwait and supported UN military action against Iraq.
Clearly, you did not understand the context of my post. No surprise there considering you, just like the others, have never served to grasp the underlying argument, which is that the Iraqi Army was trained under Soviet and Chinese military doctrines. That was the 'paper' I was talking about. :lol:
 
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This is actually not a very good argument.

In the old days, the only way to destroy a country was to literally invade the country, salt the fields, break the dams, poison the wells, kill off the first borns, etc...etc...

Today, with ballistic missiles and bombers, an invasion is actually an option. You invade the country because you want something other than destruction. The US could have destroyed North Viet Nam and Afghanistan from afar without risking a single Army trooper.

In Viet Nam, the bombing campaign was so destructive that it actually compelled the North to plead for a ceasefire for 'peace negotiation'. Everyone knew the plea was bogus but the US and SVN had no choice. To refuse the so called 'negotiation' would give NVN the needed political ammunition on the world stage to portray the US/SVN alliance as cruel warmongers. At the same time, the UN knew NVN would renege on any deal and the members would give NVN a pass at deception. The outcome of Vietnam War had more to do with politics than military capabilities.

In Afghanistan, it is no different. The US military could have lobbed missile after missile, and dropped MOAB after MOAB, and there would be nothing anyone can say and do to stop US. We could have destroyed every power station, every water sources, every farm field, etc...etc...And not a single US troop loss.

What if's are what if's...

Yes, the US could have bombed Vietnam and Afghanistan to stone age but to what extent??

Bombing both/either countries would have had negative effects to the US image world wide. Condemnation would have followed and maybe other wars would have too.

Similarly, if the US had bombed Afghanistan, the Taliban would still have had a comeback....since they live in the mountains. Carpet Bombing Afghanistan would have lead to the whole of Afghanistan siding with the Taliban against the US.

The US could have been hit with more suicide bombings. We don't know, all we can do is speculate.

Pakistan would have also not let US bombers through to kill civilians. China, Russia and Iran would have supported Pakistan on this stance so the US wouldn't be able to invade Pakistan.

Either way, going back to the topic, the Youtuber mentioned that with the rapid modernization of many countries (Pakistan, India, China, Russia etc)...the US no longer would have dominance over other countries.

I'm sure we can agree on that. In the future, it'll be even lesser.

Going back further to the topic, the "myth of US military infallibility" is just that...a myth.

Knocking down the Iraqi regime isn't a big thing when you have allies helping you out along with technological superiority.


Yes, there is. Desert Storm proved it.

See above.

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Desert Storm was also a major air attack combined with heavy EW....and on both fronts, the Iraqis the means to fight with not good enough SAMs and poor ECM/ECCM.

Although the Iraqis did knock out 50+ aircraft but it wasn't enough.

Paper is enough of a deterrence. It was Soviet and Chinese papers that convinced Saddam Hussein he could take on US, much to his sorrow and to the embarrassment of the Soviet and Chinese military leaderships. So paper cuts (pun intended) both ways. Either you get foolish and gamble at the green table, or you wise up and back off when faced against US based upon paper. It was paper that convinced the Soviets that the US and allies held the qualitative advantage during the Cold War. Then Soviet electronics engineer Adolf Tolkachev worked for US and gave US plenty of paper proving that we indeed did held the technological advantage.

You are right in many ways but that is all in the past.

Russia is back on the rise and is further in many R/D fields than the US (look into the video around the end).

China is also on the rise and has near peer capability.

In the future, both countries can be a big threat to US dominance in the air, land, sea and space.

Which is what we're discussing here...The Myth Of US Military Infallibility.

All Empires rise and all Empires fall although the US is nowhere near the "fall" but it is nearing the end of its military dominance over others.
 
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Only GOD is invincible, infallible, undefeatable etc.!!! All mortals will always taste defeat, destruction, death etc.!!! It’s just a matter of time....
 
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