The Muslim Waffen SS

[Luftwaffe]

no they never did....now cry again...
Totach OTTOMAN EMPIRE did exist never in the history did any Jewish empire existed never will..Low i'm low??yeah well i had to come down from the Higher grounds to teach you something shorty pants! And yeah Jew stay on the topic so we all can contribute something nice else leave the forum....yeah post any many link as u want no one is going there lol even ur on Pakistani Defense Forum don't u love it lol.

 

[notorious_eagle]

In that case Israel should have been carved out of Germany.

The Muslim Ummah made many efforts to save or honour Jews; the Ottomans rescued many from the Inquisition; Hazrat Umar ibn Khattab RA let them back into Jerusalem, etc. The Zionist Israeli state is an act betrayal by many Jews against the Muslims, and the slaughter of innocent Palestinians doesn't help their case. I'll only accept a Jewish State if and when it is NOT on Muslim territory like Palestine...go back and make your country in Europe.

You are absolutely right, the Palestinians were not treated fairly and to this day they are suffering because of the injustice that took place in 1948. But its time we get realistic, Israel is here to stay and noone can do anything about it. All the major Western powers(especially the US) in the world are Israel's biggest supporters, thats all that matters. By force, the land cannot be forcefully taken away from Israel as it was demonstarted in 1967 and 1973. So its about time we try to find a peacefull solution and end this decades old problem; everybody wins if we solve this problem.

 

[Luftwaffe]

waiting for the end of times...

 

[asq]

No sir, Not even one time had the Arab been able to act as one cohesive force and start to use their influence by first withdrawing from U.N. altogether at the same time, and if this does not work than expand the front for Israel by opening several fronts at the same time and draw Israeli army all the way to Cairo, to Tehran to Damascus to Oman to even Libya to Sudan and to even Pakistan. And than see what happens.

Strategically it has worked before as allied forces engaged German armies in several places and had them get bogged down in Russia even though German had a no war pact with Russia.

So the trick is to draw your adversary and have many fronts open at the same time. Also do what American did in Iraq, fooled Saddam in thinking that they will attack from sea and Saddam fell for it and rest is the history.

 

[Quwa]

You are absolutely right, the Palestinians were not treated fairly and to this day they are suffering because of the injustice that took place in 1948. But its time we get realistic, Israel is here to stay and noone can do anything about it. All the major Western powers(especially the US) in the world are Israel's biggest supporters, thats all that matters. By force, the land cannot be forcefully taken away from Israel as it was demonstarted in 1967 and 1973. So its about time we try to find a peacefull solution and end this decades old problem; everybody wins if we solve this problem.

If you believe in Islam, you know Israel is going to go one day...either temporarily, or permanently, as Allah Wills. Remember that the Muslims did not have the Holy Land firmly under control for 200 years during the Crusades and Mongol invasion. Modern Israel has only been around for 60 years, we have plenty of time to deal with it...even if the Muslim World has to chip away at it inch by inch, Israel as a state is going to the trash. This will only start once the Khilafah returns and it'll break the Israeli Defence Force's nails one by one until that entire country is under Islamic rule.

 

[asq]

Now Jew claim that they are the chosen one, they should know better that in holy Torah and holy Quran Allah has specified the rules and the responsibility of those who follow the right path that they will not oppress, take someone money, land or kill innocent specially women and children even if fighters use area which are civilian, there is no allowance by Allah that allows attacks on civilian area regardless of it use by fighters.

It is clearly written that water shall not be stopped neither spoiled, old men, women and children must not be targeted or killed, some property/houses must not be taken forcibly.

If any country or religion acts against it they are not be true to the massage of God and therefore are sinners and will be dealt with on the day of judgment, it is all a matter of belief.

But i see in u tube videos a totally different picture, a sad picture of Israeli Army breaking limbs of a young Palestinian by stones and killing children even though they are on the side line of war. Here are some facts for watching. these are monstrous acts and a civilized society will never do it.

 

[Luftwaffe]

as Allah told us already if you don't do the job what u've been sent for i will replace you with people who'll do it...it has happened before its already happening now but one Israel knows all too well that they might go extinct again as in the past Allah made them vanish time and over again replacing them yet they've not learned an spread corruption since we're moving towards end of times slowly which leads the final Israel to the permanent extinction....while peace deals and continual peace efforts by Muslim side always will continue no doubt how long we don't know the dawn will break when Mohammad Bin Abdullah and Esa-Ibn-Maryam (P.B.U.H) Inshallah together will seal the fate of Israel...I still believe Allah has till now given good heart to some of the Jews who've we've witnessed have converted and became Muslims google for jews who converted see videos Mashallah.

 

[totach7]

No sir, Not even one time had the Arab been able to act as one cohesive force and start to use their influence by first withdrawing from U.N. altogether at the same time, and if this does not work than expand the front for Israel by opening several fronts at the same time and draw Israeli army all the way to Cairo, to Tehran to Damascus to Oman to even Libya to Sudan and to even Pakistan. And than see what happens.

Strategically it has worked before as allied forces engaged German armies in several places and had them get bogged down in Russia even though German had a no war pact with Russia.

So the trick is to draw your adversary and have many fronts open at the same time. Also do what American did in Iraq, fooled Saddam in thinking that they will attack from sea and Saddam fell for it and rest is the history.

You have wet dream....keep on
Israel is here forever capish?

 

[z9-ec]

You have wet dream....keep on
Israel is here forever capish?

Indeed, I for one agree that Israel is a reality we have to live with. I believe in enlightened moderation and ready to accept the existence of Israel only if the Israeli's are willing to accept and co exists with an independent Palestinian state according to the wishes of the Palestinian people.

The relationship between Palestinians and Israelis should be based on equality rather than one side enforcing it's existence on the other. The superiority complex that you enjoy and use indiscriminate force to achieve geo-strategic goals will only result in further aggravation of the situation.

I believe that we can exists peacefully with the Israelis but theres a long list of things that Israel needs to do in order to achieve peace within the region.

 

[BATMAN]

yes and Turkey never killed half million Armenian people?

Present day Turkey would never do such thing.
Learn to live in present as you can only grieve of your ugly past.

 

[Quwa]

You have wet dream....keep on
Israel is here forever capish?

They said that a few times in the past...didn't stop anyone from taking your ancestors as slaves when you transgressed and betrayed. We have not forgotten our warmth when we embraced your people in the 7th and 15th centuries...and we will never forget your people's blood-lusted betrayal. I'm not sure about the Jewish cult, but Israel as the terrorist state is going down.

 

[kidwaibhai]

bring the discussion back to the topic. did the muslim contingent actually partake in any war. i know that there is not much known about this but is there any chance the this muslim german force ever came into contact against the muslim force from the sub continent. that would fascinating event in history.
let me say this the Holocaust did happen one of my friends here at Uni actually had his grandfather family wiped out. as far as isreal today is concerned there needs to be a solution found very quickly because in a matter of years the palistenians will outnumber the jews in that region and only way for isreal to keep them under control would be apartheid much like it is today in the west bank were palistenian cant drive on highways on there own land.

 

[Quwa]

bring the discussion back to the topic. did the muslim contingent actually partake in any war. i know that there is not much known about this but is there any chance the this muslim german force ever came into contact against the muslim force from the sub continent. that would fascinating event in history.
let me say this the Holocaust did happen one of my friends here at Uni actually had his grandfather family wiped out. as far as isreal today is concerned there needs to be a solution found very quickly because in a matter of years the palistenians will outnumber the jews in that region and only way for isreal to keep them under control would be apartheid much like it is today in the west bank were palistenian cant drive on highways on there own land.

Did you know the British killed 30mn Indians in the Late Victorian Holocaust? Did you know it was the British who occupied Palestine, and as if it was settler land, handed it over to the Israelis? Did you know it is the Americans who make sure that the Palestinians are kept on their reserves?

We Muslims need to be careful before making pleas for sympathy for non-Muslims, especially when they're roaming about killing our brothers and sisters. Did you know that the extermination of this entire world is a lighter matter to Allah SWT than the killing of a Muslim? Yes the loss of innocent life is bad, and must be avoided at all costs irrespective of who the victims are...but, let's call a spade a spade and simply chip fellow Muslims as lesser issues.

 

[asq]

You have wet dream....keep on
Israel is here forever capish?

Hay Israeli, do not insult people on this forum by saying "have a wet dream", This is a personal attack. What I said was a strategy that works in time of war, as it was adopted by allies during ww11. and Muslims were a big part of allies during WW11.

Do not insult others on this forum. You have insulted me and you will loose my respect as a member if u continue to insult. This is a Pak-Def and it is here to discus defense related matters, if you do not like them and have better ideas, than come back with something intelligent and not insults.

Tell me is there ban on free ideas on this forum, is it, are u the moderator of this forum. and we are proud of freedom of speech. the facts speak for themselves.

I will ask forum moderator to take a note.

 

[Bane Blade]

Although I know that this topic will hit a lot of nerves but I think that history is written by the winners and I also doubt that the Holocaust was at the scale as some suggest. The fact is that no nation when having a height of its power has shown any restrain and certainly bend the laws to fit there needs, examples can be seen from any of histories empires or super powers.

Nowadays Israel is in power and it may bend the rules as it wishes wthout the need to justify its ends.

The point is that no nation is forever and no nation will ever be forever take example of the house you occupy Mr. totach7