The Moral Collapse and gradual break down of American/Western Society

[Desertfalcon]

Scottish actor and comedian Billy Connollly did a mini-series on the famous American road, Route 66. Start the video at 13:00 min., (or watch the whole thing. ) as it is relevant to today as it is Memorial Day here in the USA. It was filmed during the hight of the last steep recession and it is pretty much how America and Americans actually are...

 

[Desert Fox]

Hahahaha...funny thread! Esp the part where some people are turning a blind eye and protecting a country that is not even theirs where the people of that land wouldnt blink an eye to agree with most of what OP has stated....

The people may be nice (no doubt)...As for the parents accepting it or not...the fact is there is moral degradation when parents cant stop it and end up accepting it as the norm!

I only go there for visiting not for living!

Don't get me wrong, America isn't a bad place, and its a lot safer to live in America than in most countries of the world for the most part. And as someone who grew up in America for the most of my life i can attest to that fact. I had the opportunity to become successful in life in America, and for that there is nothing i can do that would be enough to repay my debt to the American nation.

People here have it wrong if they think i criticize America out of hatred or that i despise America. I care about this country and i refuse to live in a delusional fantasy like the rest who overlook this degeneracy and irresponsibility becoming rampant in our society. I opened this thread out of my concern for the future of this great nation because it matters to me. Everything i have posted on this thread highlights the major issues our society faces today that no generation of Americans before us has faced at such a massive scale and that alone is a reason for great concern to the rest of us, and for some reason our highly politicized/politically correct and hypersexualized media intentionally does not cover these major issues. Thus, as a responsible citizen i take it upon myself as my moral obligation to bring to the attention of as many people as possible these ground realities.


@VCheng @Desertfalcon @KingMamba @Hazzy997


"Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand.
The only foundation for a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure, than they have it now, they may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty."
- John Adams, June 21, 1776

 

[Desert Fox]

Yes, having fun is morally acceptable, it is even beneficial medically.

As there are different types of people on this Earth, different types of having fun apply, ofcourse always in the normal range of not affecting someone's freedom with your fun.

You should try kissing sometimes. It's nice.

Having fun is acceptable. However what you are justifying in that video cannot in any way be considered "fun" or "medically beneficial". For one, those are all underage kids smoking and drinking alcohol. Not only are they putting their own lives at danger but also the lives of others. These same kids under the influence get into car accidents injuring or killing themselves and others as well.

Secondly, making out and hooking up with random strangers and that too while under the influence puts the person at risk of acquiring various STD's. And the person who already has STD will be spreading it amongst those who don't have it. I have had the misfortune of knowing a few people who have acquired mono through shared drinking and making out with complete strangers at high school and college parties.

That behavior in that video can in no way be considered "fun" and "medically beneficial". Rather, that is purely irresponsible behavior which has become very common amongst American teenagers! And these are the people who are supposed to inherit the American nation from their predecessors and expand upon (more like leave neglected) the hard labor of the older generations??

George Washington and the founding fathers of America as well as Abraham Lincoln would shoot themselves if they were to see the state of their nation today. These men struggled with their lives hanging in the balance for the sake of this Nation, and to see that it all leads to this is very disappointing and heart breaking indeed.

@Aeronaut @Jungibaaz What's with the lines over the text of my post??

 

[Desert Fox]

@Desertfalcon @VCheng @Peter C

A interesting video i thought i should share with you guys:

 

[Developereo]

People here have it wrong if they think i criticize America out of hatred or that i despise America.

Ignore the drama queens.

Some people here have a tendency to act precious when anything negative is said about their country. This despite the fact that there are many negative aspects of other countries and societies debated here all the time.

Now, coming to the article itself, I have three comments:

- the title is needlessly provocative; there is no imminent "collapse" although many conservatives would concur that morality has declined. The comparison isn't with the rest of the world, but with one's ideals. Each person will have different ideals and they may not agree with the author's ideals.

- the article is weighted a bit too much towards religiosity and, particularly, Christianity. I got a chuckle out of #99 One survey conducted a while back found that 52 percent of all American Christians believe that “at least some non-Christian faiths can lead to eternal life”.

- the comments from some people about visa lines misses the point. People also form long lines to get a visa to Middle Eastern countries. Does that mean that those countries are beacons of human rights? People go where they can earn more money.

Many south Asian parents in the West would admit their apprehensions about kids (especially girls) growing up too fast in the West. This concern is shared by conservatives in the West also. Willam Bennet, an American conservative, has written about the "coarsening" of American culture.

So, bottom line, there are many people who are concerned about the trend towards what they view as moral decline, and that trend is led by the global media, which is dominated by American media.

It is legitimate to debate this issue without acting like a drama queen.

 

[jandk]

Ignore the drama queens.

Some people here have a tendency to act precious when anything negative is said about their country. This despite the fact that there are many negative aspects of other countries and societies debated here all the time.

Now, coming to the article itself, I have three comments:

- the title is needlessly provocative; there is no imminent "collapse" although many conservatives would concur that morality has declined. The comparison isn't with the rest of the world, but with one's ideals. Each person will have different ideals and they may not agree with the author's ideals.

- the article is weighted a bit too much towards religiosity and, particularly, Christianity. I got a chuckle out of #99 One survey conducted a while back found that 52 percent of all American Christians believe that “at least some non-Christian faiths can lead to eternal life”.

- the comments from some people about visa lines misses the point. People also form long lines to get a visa to Middle Eastern countries. Does that mean that those countries are beacons of human rights? People go where they can earn more money.

Many south Asian parents in the West would admit their apprehensions about kids (especially girls) growing up too fast in the West. This concern is shared by conservatives in the West also. Willam Bennet, an American conservative, has written about the "coarsening" of American culture.

So, bottom line, there are many people who are concerned about the trend towards what they view as moral decline, and that trend is led by the global media, which is dominated by American media.

It is legitimate to debate this issue without acting like a drama queen.

I completely agree with you on all counts. The bolded part especially holds true even for people who have criticized the OP in this thread.

 

[Developereo]

I completely agree with you on all counts. The bolded part especially holds true even for people who have criticized the OP in this thread.

There are many, many things about Western society which are admirable and, I would say, superior to our countries: meritocracy, respect for rule of law, work ethic, better civic sense, etc.

However, the permissiveness and sexualization (especially of kids) makes many people uncomfortable. And it's not just the "brown migrants". The white folks also don't like this trend.

 

[Desertfalcon]

@Desertfalcon @VCheng @Peter C

A interesting video i thought i should share with you guys:

You confuse me. Three posts ago I thanked you for what was a lucid, well written, rational post you made. Then you post this ding-bat and his bizarre argument that Elliot Rodger, a very mentally disturbed young man, is the prototype American male of today. He even states that Obama shares great similarity with Rodger, you know, a successful Harvard and Yale graduate, decent and honourable family man, community organizer, state legislator, United States Senator and 44th President of the United States...with a sad, probably bi-polar, deeply mentally disturbed young man who wound up killing six people before shooting himself in the head. Ya, they're just alike!

Really, I voted against Mr. Obama twice so it's not like I am a fan of his or his party, but the comparison to Rodger or a wider comparison to the prototype new American male, is ridiculous. Especially in light of who we honor today in America. This is today's American male, the guys in my neighbourhood, my family, my countrymen...

List of post-Vietnam Medal of Honor recipients - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of post-Vietnam Medal of Honor recipients - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Distinguished Service Cross (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Distinguished Service Cross (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't they know how self-centred, how narcissistic they are all supposed to be? They must have not gotten the memo.

 

[Desert Fox]

You confuse me. Three posts ago I thanked you for what was a lucid, well written, rational post you made. Then you post this ding-bat and his bizarre argument that Elliot Rodger, a very mentally disturbed young man, is the prototype American male of today. He even states that Obama shares great similarity with Rodger, you know, a successful Harvard and Yale graduate, decent and honourable family man, community organizer, state legislator, United States Senator and 44th President of the United States...with a sad, probably bi-polar, deeply mentally disturbed young man who wound up killing six people before shooting himself in the head. Ya, they're just alike!

Really, I voted against Mr. Obama twice so it's not like I am a fan of his or his party, but the comparison to Rodger or a wider comparison to the prototype new American male, is ridiculous. Especially in light of who we honor today in America. This is today's American male, the guys in my neighbourhood, my family, my countrymen...

List of post-Vietnam Medal of Honor recipients - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

List of post-Vietnam Medal of Honor recipients - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Distinguished Service Cross (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Distinguished Service Cross (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Don't they know how self-centred, how narcissistic they are all supposed to be? They must have not gotten the memo.

Of course, i don't agree with everything the guys said in the video, but he does make a good point that most American youth are concerned with trivial matters. Not all, but most.

Those guys from your neighborhood, all the best to them for their hard work and contribution towards the well being of others. They look like they were raised properly with manners and discipline, something which one cannot attribute to a great majority of young Americans nowadays with the sagging pants and full body tattoo culture with weird slang becoming popular amongst them.

 

[liall]

And US is still the best country in the world

Are 15 years allow to do that? Drink, smoke pot, makeout leading to sex?

If it doesn't seem Morally degrading to you than what standards are set by americans for morality?

sounds like fun time to me

 

[Desertfalcon]

Of course, i don't agree with everything the guys said in the video, but he does make a good point that most American youth are concerned with trivial matters. Not all, but most.

Those guys from your neighborhood, all the best to them for their hard work and contribution towards the well being of others.

The problem is you think American youth are mostly concerned with trivial matters. 1. You have no proof of that. It's purely your anecdotal judgement and one I think informed by bias. 2. It assumes that American youth are somehow...different from the rest of the world. Richer yes, and with different concerns and problems compared to the youth of many other countries for certain. American youth may not all be volunteers but most are concerned with things like getting a good education, a good job, taking care of their families, being a good friend. Those are hardly trivial.

World's most big-hearted nation: the United States

Again, don't they know how Americans are only concerned with trivial matters?

 

[gambit]

Of course, i don't agree with everything the guys said in the video, but he does make a good point that most American youth are concerned with trivial matters. Not all, but most.

Right...And most youths in other countries are so much more matured ?

But then again...I guess that when you live in a society where females are considered 2nd class citizens, political oppression is the norm, religious fanatics holds in governance, and said society produces so much corrupt leaders that despots are nearly guaranteed, that most of your youths would be soooooo much more 'matured' than their American counterparts, no ?

 

[Dubious]

Don't get me wrong, America isn't a bad place, and its a lot safer to live in America than in most countries of the world for the most part. And as someone who grew up in America for the most of my life i can attest to that fact. I had the opportunity to become successful in life in America, and for that there is nothing i can do that would be enough to repay my debt to the American nation.

People here have it wrong if they think i criticize America out of hatred or that i despise America. I care about this country and i refuse to live in a delusional fantasy like the rest who overlook this degeneracy and irresponsibility becoming rampant in our society. I opened this thread out of my concern for the future of this great nation because it matters to me. Everything i have posted on this thread highlights the major issues our society faces today that no generation of Americans before us has faced at such a massive scale and that alone is a reason for great concern to the rest of us, and for some reason our highly politicized/politically correct and hypersexualized media intentionally does not cover these major issues. Thus, as a responsible citizen i take it upon myself as my moral obligation to bring to the attention of as many people as possible these ground realities.


@VCheng @Desertfalcon @KingMamba @Hazzy997


"Statesmen, my dear Sir, may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is Religion and Morality alone, which can establish the Principles upon which Freedom can securely stand.
The only foundation for a free Constitution is pure Virtue, and if this cannot be inspired into our People in a greater Measure, than they have it now, they may change their Rulers and the forms of Government, but they will not obtain a lasting liberty."
- John Adams, June 21, 1776

Oh dont worry I didnt get you wrong...I have been there, got parts of my extended family and alot of family friends there...so it isnt a foreign land for me...And yes I agree it can be alot safer than many countries...

I criticize because some on this site who live in America openly criticize Pakistan but when the tables are turned they come to feed on you like zombies (delusional fantasy)! It is sickening how many feel it is a 1 way street and have the upper hand or are the only ones "entitled" to criticize!

 

[genmirajborgza786]

Oh dont worry I didnt get you wrong...I have been there, got parts of my extended family and alot of family friends there...so it isnt a foreign land for me...And yes I agree it can be alot safer than many countries...

I criticize because some on this site who live in America openly criticize Pakistan but when the tables are turned they come to feed on you like zombies (delusional fantasy)! It is sickening how many feel it is a 1 way street and have the upper hand or are the only ones "entitled" to criticize!

first of all, it is but only the moral & ethical duty of every person/society with conscience to not only criticize but also "condemn" any country, which exhibit's the following characteristics, be it Pakistan or any other, & if you respect humanity, dignity & democratic principles, then it is also your duty to not only criticize it, but also "condemn" it.
1.labelling people as traitors/disbelievers etc's , just because one doesn't like the other persons views
2.commit gross minority right's violations in the name of blasphemy law
3.support Anti-democratic forces in the name of patriotism
4.oppress the voice of the media in the name patriotism/religious black mail

& secondly
No, there is no moral collapse in the western world, yes there is a problem with crime( but still much less then many other countries), but then again no place can be perfect completely, but one thing is for sure, the west with all its pros & cons is still Trillions ! times better then many other countries
at least in the west we have democracy ,respect for diversity & tolerance for different opinions, dignity of labour, freedom of expressions , freedom of media , a non-political military subservient to the civilian gov't , & secularism, & these are all the qualities of a morally upright society

 

[Koovie]

Still so many Pakistani, Arabs, Libyan, Syrian everyone of you who has been called pious Hajj and ummah want to stay and living in USA and getting parts in this moral decadent society

Thats the funniest fact of this thread