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The Kargil Conflict Revisited

Did I say there was no shortage of Coffins ?

I just presented a conspiracy theory for your post asking about why shortage of coffins.

After all you believe in Conspiracy theory more than facts.

Main karun to sala Character dheela hai. :D


But problem in your conspiracy theory is, Shortage of coffins occured not during the retreat of PA soldiers but during initial days of War. You should check your facts before making a conspiract theory :rolleyes1:
 
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People want to know the truth. Especially Nawaz is jumping up and down to corner Musharraf for his political gains. However, he was the one responsible since he was the Prime Minister..!
Did you watch Musharraf's interview on Pakistani channel. He first said that there are few things you don't have to run to Prime Minister. Then he said he told Prime Minister. Pakistani Anchor asked why these conflicting statements.

I mean Musharraf's lies are exposed wide and open and people are blaming Sharif. I agree Sharif is not full of Sharafat, but Musharraf fooled everyone, even his own people.

Now Pakistani officials are proving him as a Liar, but you don't believe them but believe a criminal who is hiding in UK. Isn't it weird ?

Enough of Conspiracy Theories.

But problem in your conspiracy theory is, Shortage of coffins occured not during the retreat of PA soldiers but during initial days of War. You should check your facts before making a conspiract theory :rolleyes1:
:hitwall: Conspiracy theory are based on fiction and twisted facts presented in different ways. Learn something about Conspiracy Theories. It will be useful for you when you return to Pakistan. :D
 
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Political dramas. Nawaz Sharif is one of the biggest beghairats in the country after Zardari.


He is feeling threatened because he knows deep down that Musharraf could probably sweep Punjab vote bank If he were to return to Pakistan.


Think of this way. It is like deja vu of when Nawaz was refusing to allow Musharraf's plane to land in Pakistan.

Got to admit though, Ganjay's desperation is pretty funny.
 
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Political dramas. Nawaz Sharif is one of the biggest beghairats in the country after Zardari.


He is feeling threatened because he knows deep down that Musharraf could probably sweep Punjab vote bank If he were to return to Pakistan.


Think of this way. It is like deja vu of when Nawaz was refusing to allow Musharraf's plane to land in Pakistan.

Got to admit though, Ganjay's desperation is pretty funny.

Nawaz Sharif badnaam hua Musharraf tere liye. :D
 
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Indians have no grasp of politics in Pakistan. Of course they have vested interests so nobody should take their comments with an inch of credibility.

It's an A and B conversation. Please C your way out of it, bhartis.
 
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ISLAMABAD: Former federal minister Lt-Gen (retd) Abdul Majeed Malik, who is an eyewitness to major happenings that took place during the tenure of the second Nawaz Sharif government, says the Kargil operation of Pervez Musharraf was badly conceived, faultily executed and totally unneeded.



“Musharraf’s assertion that the then government turned a won war into a political defeat is erroneous and misplaced. Rather it saved the army and Pakistan from further embarrassment, and this was a major achievement,” Majeed Malik, who was a key minister in the Nawaz Sharif cabinet, told The News. The only element of pride in the Kargil war, he said, was that the junior officers and soldiers played a heroic role, which has no parallel in the world history. The whole nation lauds their bravery and courage




Kargil was a total disaster for Pakistan even China Pakistans buddy asked Pakistan to withdraw back to the LOC.


World opinion changed after Kargil and the once so called 'freedom fighters' were branded terrorists
 
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Political dramas. Nawaz Sharif is one of the biggest beghairats in the country after Zardari.


He is feeling threatened because he knows deep down that Musharraf could probably sweep Punjab vote bank If he were to return to Pakistan.


Think of this way. It is like deja vu of when Nawaz was refusing to allow Musharraf's plane to land in Pakistan.

Got to admit though, Ganjay's desperation is pretty funny.

Razzy..... agreed on navaz and zardari..... But they are supposed to be the biggest leaders as of now available..... so what you think who will be the apt PM of pakistan this year..... IK??? (sorry for being off topic)
 
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Asymmetric Warfare in South Asia
The Causes and Consequences of the Kargil Conflict
Edited by Peter R. Lavoy
National Intelligence Council


Anyone seeking a neutral account on what went down I suggest they read this book
 
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Around 600 of them were buried by IA. 300 died during a single Air raid on a weapon depot, more than 150 bodies were handed over to Pakistan, Many would have been killed on the retreat - Many bodies would have been blown off during the air and artillery raids. It's much much more than 1000.

Are you sure these were PA personnel or in the hurry to burry the dead you put your own men in our flag. You do know the difference between the two flags?

If you had so many of our dead men then why didn't your army showed them to the media. It would have been a great victory for them.
 
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Although General (r) Pervez Musharraf has claimed in his memoirs that the Kargil standoff with India had actually boosted the cause of freedom for Jammu & Kashmir, a study conducted by US-based Centre for Contemporary Conflict (CCC) concluded that the Kargil operation was planned by the Musharraf-led Army to scuttle the Indo-Pak peace process which had led to the 1999 Lahore Agreement between the two neighbours.

General Musharraf had stated in his 2006 memoirs titled ‘In the Line of Fire’ that the Kargil operation was a landmark in the history of Pakistan Army since just five units in support of freedom fighters compelled the Indians to employ more than four divisions. Musharraf concluded the Kargil chapter of the book with a telling claim: “I would like to say emphatically that whatever movement has taken place so far in the direction of finding a solution to the Jammu and Kashmir conflict is owed considerably to the Kargil conflict.”

However, the findings of the Washington-based Centre on Contemporary Conflict into the Kargil conflict convincingly negate Musharraf’s argument. The CCC is the primary research wing of the US Naval Postgraduate School’s Department of National Security Affairs which conducts research on emerging national security threats and shares its findings with US and allied military and civilian decision makers. “The cause and consequences of the 1999 limited war in Kargil” was the topic of the CCC study which was sponsored by the office of the US Secretary of Defence. The study was conducted through lengthy deliberations made during a series of workshops and seminars in the US, Europe, India, and Pakistan.

The Kargil conflict was a treacherous event not because of its duration or casualties, but because it contained a real risk of nuclear escalation. As per the findings of the study, “The Pakistan Army had planned the Kargil operation to scuttle the Indo-Pak peace process which had been initiated by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee and which had led to the 1999 Lahore agreement. The operation was an attempt on the part of the Pakistan Army for regime sustenance by creating a war-like situation with India. The political impact of the Kargil conflict was a deepening of mistrust between the military and the political establishment, which ultimately led to the ouster of the government”.

According to the study, the Kargil conflict had affected Pakistan’s politics and society in many ways: first, it deepened the already brewing distrust between the military and the political establishment; second, it produced tensions between the military and religious groups; third, it raised questions about the responsibility and reliability of the Pakistani state among the community of nations; fourth, it damaged the professional reputation of the Pakistan army, allowed the international media to portray it as a rogue army; and fifth, by deliberately keeping the public in the dark about the civilian government’s involvement in the Kargil conflict, Islamabad’s political strategy had an adverse societal impact. This problem was exacerbated by the government disowning the remains of the dead soldiers of the Northern Light Infantry, which caused resentment among families of those who were killed in combat.

However, the then Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif insists that the military high command had kept him completely in the dark while advancing towards Kargil heights where thousands of Pakistani soldiers died.

“This ill-planned and ill-conceived operation was kept so secret that besides the prime minister, some corps commanders and the chiefs of navy and air force were also kept in the dark”, an under-trial Sharif had stated on June 12, 2000 while reading out a hands written statement before the newsmen outside the accountability court established in the 16th century Attock Fort where he was being kept by the Musharraf regime after his take over.

Sharif pointed out that Pakistan had suffered heavy loss of lives in the operation. “The fact is that units after units of the Northern Light Infantry were wiped out. With every passing day Pakistan was losing posts. Our loss on the Kargil conflict was more than what we had suffered in the 1965’s full-fledged war with India”. Sharif then observed: “When I was briefed about the Kargil operation, I was told that the loss of life would be negligible and would be equal to nothing. I was told that if something was not done quickly, Pakistan was in the danger of losing remaining heights after already losing the Tiger Hills”.

But this contradicted Sharif’s earlier claim and gave a clear hint that he was taken into confidence by the khakis before the Kargil operation was launched. However, senior PML-N leaders say he was taken into confidence by the army after the operation had been launched.

They refer to a secret telephonic conversation between Musharraf and his Chief of General Staff Lt Gen Mohammad Aziz which was picked up by the Indians during the Kargil crisis and delivered to PM Nawaz Sharif. At least two conversations of May 26 and May 29, 1999 — when the Kargil hills were afire — between the two Generals were picked up and delivered to Nawaz Sharif by R K Mishra, along with a written transcript on June 3, 1999.

Sharif’s close aides say these tapes had proven that Musharraf and Aziz were keeping the Kargil operation as a closely-guarded secret.

Musharraf planned Kargil to scuttle Indo-Pak peace process - thenews.com.pk
 
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This is very correct assessment, Only thing he achieved is derailing the peace process.
 
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And they say we extend hand for Peace and India backs off.

Either be committed to peace process or hostility. Stop confusing yourself and us too.

Sometimes End doesn't justify the means.

Musharraf is trying to fool his own people and we know he might succeed in it.
 
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what will the next week be?.................. this entire week was ruined on Shah rukh khan, Musharraf and some other fools, while we all wasted day and night fighting, these fools were spending their nights in five star hotels, shah rukh dancing with laides......list goes on, and now this "Musharraf planned Kargil to scuttle Indo-Pak peace process".
 
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Yawn.......is this the year 1999 ?? :hitwall:
Even a 14 year could undertand Kargil was done to hinder the pace of peace talks between India and Pakistan .

Btw this is what happens when your President is a military extremist rather than an economist :coffee:
 
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