the Indian Army's JAK LI infantry regiment

[Abingdonboy]

Jai Hind: Significance of the Indian Army's JAK LI infantry regiment Video: NDTV.com


Was not expecting much from this vid at all but was pleasantly surprised, good to see the first lot of permanently commissioned female officers in the IA under going Infantry orientation with JK LI, good to see some professional ambush work and nice to learn some new things about this particular unit that doesn't get a whole lot of exposure but is clearly doing good work.


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[Koovie]

Great find!

Good to see women in these posts


But combat gear still looks like back from the 50s.

 

[spectribution]

Jai Hind: Significance of the Indian Army's JAK LI infantry regiment Video: NDTV.com


Was not expecting much from this vid at all but was pleasantly surprised, good to see the first lot of permanently commissioned female officers in the IA under going Infantry orientation with JK LI, good to see some professional ambush work and nice to learn some new things about this particular unit that doesn't get a whole lot of exposure but is clearly doing good work.


@Dillinger @Oscar @sandy_3126 @Koovie @kurup @COLDHEARTED AVIATOR @jiki @desert warrior @RPK @Sidak @Dem!god

They will not be placed in combat missions I think.

No combat role for women in near future: General Bikram Singh - The Times of India

Women simply don't have the capability to lift 110 pounds and run 20 miles everyday for LRPs. Also they have "issues" which no army is equipped to take care of. Also heigh is a problem, most are below 5'4 -5'6.

 

[Omega007]

They will not be placed in combat missions I think.

No combat role for women in near future: General Bikram Singh - The Times of India

Women simply don't have the capability to lift 110 pounds and run 20 miles everyday for LRPs. Also they have "issues" which no army is equipped to take care of. Also heigh is a problem, most are below 5'4 -5'6.

No one "Runs" for 20 miles at a stretch and that too ladden with 40-50 kg of overall equipment load.Rest of your points stand though.

 

[Ajatashatru]

They will not be placed in combat missions I think.

No combat role for women in near future: General Bikram Singh - The Times of India

Women simply don't have the capability to lift 110 pounds and run 20 miles everyday for LRPs. Also they have "issues" which no army is equipped to take care of. Also heigh is a problem, most are below 5'4 -5'6.

The importance of height in armed forces is vastly exaggerated by common public who have little knowledge about their requirement. In Indian Army, a man must be at least 5'4'' and a woman must be at least 5'2''. No special preference for tall people. That info I've got from my cousin, an army Major. In militaries around the world, many people are below average height. I once read somewhere (I can't remember where) that the percent of below average height men in British SAS is much higher than that in British population.

Short people have many advantages like better reflexes, faster body movements, higher power to weight ratio, lower centre of gravity (hence greater stability), their bones are less prone to fracture, etc.

 

[spectribution]

The importance of height in armed forces is vastly exaggerated by common public who have little knowledge about their requirement. In Indian Army, a man must be at least 5'4'' and a woman must be at least 5'2''. No special preference for tall people. That info I've got from my cousin, an army Major. In militaries around the world, many people are below average height. I once read somewhere (I can't remember where) that the percent of below average height men in British SAS is much higher than that in British population.

Short people have many advantages like better reflexes, faster body movements, higher power to weight ratio, lower centre of gravity (hence greater stability), their bones are less prone to fracture, etc.

Bro in combat when you are lugging 40 - 50 kg in LRP you wish you had a tougher frame. Only role where short people are welcome is in armor and sniper division. See the average heigh of Marines, Rajput Rifles, it is not uncommon to find someone 6 ft.

No one "Runs" for 20 miles at a stretch and that too ladden with 40-50 kg of overall equipment load.Rest of your points stand though.

By run I mean march, trek, walk, etc. If you have lower bone density (Bone density is low in shorter people hence greater risk of injury) and lack of testosterone, you body reaches a breaking point in combat. Testosterone in combination with adrenaline works as pain blockers, pushing endurance. Also testosterone reduces body fat. Overall upperbody strength of men are far superior to women, something required when dragging a wounded comrade/ fireman lift him to safety, scale 7 feet wall, pull yourself up and about, even hand to hand combat.

Combat allows no political correctness. Only who is left standing.

Source : Dad, uncles, grandpa ex army men.

 

[Omega007]

Bro in combat when you are lugging 40 - 50 kg in LRP you wish you had a tougher frame. Only role where short people are welcome is in armor and sniper division. See the average heigh of Marines, Rajput Rifles, it is not uncommon to find someone 6 ft.



By run I mean march, trek, walk, etc. If you have lower bone density (Bone density is low in shorter people hence greater risk of injury) and lack of testosterone, you body reaches a breaking point in combat. Testosterone in combination with adrenaline works as pain blockers, pushing endurance. Also testosterone reduces body fat. Overall upperbody strength of men are far superior to women, something required when dragging a wounded comrade/ fireman lift him to safety, scale 7 feet wall, pull yourself up and about, even hand to hand combat.

Combat allows no political correctness. Only who is left standing.

Source : Dad, uncles, grandpa ex army men.

I told you I agree with your points.There will always be some women activists and short people with complex who would try to lead us to believe otherwise.
By the way,I travel a lot,especially the mountainous regions of our country.And I have never seen those many "Shorter than average" soldiers or officers.Majority of them were atleast of my height,quite a few tower above me and those who were shorter by a 1 or 2 inches,were still taller than average.

It's not like I'm saying they lie about many soldiers being shorter than average....I just haven't seen them any significant numbers.The soldiers from NE regions are a bit shorter though.

 

[Ajatashatru]

Bro in combat when you are lugging 40 - 50 kg in LRP you wish you had a tougher frame. Only role where short people are welcome is in armor and sniper division. See the average heigh of Marines, Rajput Rifles, it is not uncommon to find someone 6 ft.

Where did you got that taller people have a "tougher frame"? What do you actually mean by it?

It is not uncommon to find 6ft people in the public, so why would it be uncommon to find them in the army?

Do you have data on avg height of marines, Rajput rifles etc? I didn't post any data because I don't have any. What I wrote about SAS is something I read on a news site on the net more than a year ago. Maybe you can find it by a Google search.

I don't know about Rajput Rifles but Gurkhas are fairly short and they don't seem to have any problem carrying combat load. What makes you think short people can't carry it? BTW I think 40-50 kg is much too exaggerated. Modern armies want their soldiers to carry as little load as possible.

BTW do you realize we are moving the thread off the topic?

 

[spectribution]

Where did you got that taller people have a "tougher frame"? What do you actually mean by it?

It is not uncommon to find 6ft people in the public, so why would it be uncommon to find them in the army?

Do you have data on avg height of marines, Rajput rifles etc? I didn't post any data because I don't have any. What I wrote about SAS is something I read on a news site on the net more than a year ago. Maybe you can find it by a Google search.

I don't know about Rajput Rifles but Gurkhas are fairly short and they don't seem to have any problem carrying combat load. What makes you think short people can't carry it? BTW I think 40-50 kg is much too exaggerated. Modern armies want their soldiers to carry as little load as possible.

BTW do you realize we are moving the thread off the topic?

70 pounds body armor only, 40 pounds kit, about 40 kgs, hat's for a 3 day 20 mile each day patrol for conventional armies. Modern units like marines carry a cool 90 pounds on a trek, sometimes 110 - 130 based on specialisation.

Gurkhas can't carry that much and are used as raiding teams instead. However a chick in that weight class simply can't bring out that much aggression needed unless she uses steroids. These guys go on rampage and have to be handcuffed sometimes.

Here's a training regime on an SAS soldier, read it :

Fit to Fight | Men's Fitness Magazine

I told you I agree with your points.There will always be some women activists and short people with complex who would try to lead us to believe otherwise.
By the way,I travel a lot,especially the mountainous regions of our country.And I have never seen those many "Shorter than average" soldiers or officers.Majority of them were atleast of my height,quite a few tower above me and those who were shorter by a 1 or 2 inches,were still taller than average.

It's not like I'm saying they lie about many soldiers being shorter than average....I just haven't seen them any significant numbers.The soldiers from NE regions are a bit shorter though.

Personally I like to see women in uniform, they make our country proud. But these new age liberal feminists don't understand operational realities regarding combat roles. A woman sniper in the field sounds good as they have a more flexible and nible body movement plus sniper is best for a short profile. However if she is captured by enemy and they brutalize her and post the video on youtube, it can shatter morale of your troops. In 1948 Israel Arab War same thing happened.

 

[Koovie]

They will not be placed in combat missions I think.

No combat role for women in near future: General Bikram Singh - The Times of India

Women simply don't have the capability to lift 110 pounds and run 20 miles everyday for LRPs. Also they have "issues" which no army is equipped to take care of. Also heigh is a problem, most are below 5'4 -5'6.

No body runs a half marathon with that much weight every day.... thats total nonsense -_-

 

[spectribution]

No body runs a half marathon with that much weight every day.... thats total nonsense -_-

Bhaiyaji it's not running, it's trekking. There's a reason why not every one goes to Army. In SF they will skin you raw.

 

[Koovie]

Bhaiyaji it's not running, it's trekking. There's a reason why not every one goes to Army. In SF they will skin you raw.

Oh you meant marching, yeah thats possible

 

[Ajatashatru]

Gurkhas can't carry that much and are used as raiding teams instead. However a chick in that weight class simply can't bring out that much aggression needed unless she uses steroids. These guys go on rampage and have to be handcuffed sometimes.

Any authentic source which says Gurkhas carry less weight than other regiments? That would mean especially creating equipment with less weight for Gurkhas or they will have to carry less ammunition and equipment, which the army will not do as that will make them weaker and more vulnerable. All infantry regiments have raiding teams, shock teams, sniper teams, etc. Every infantry regiment is self sufficient to carry out all sorts of infantry related task without help from other regiments, if the need arises.

 

[spectribution]

Oh you meant marching, yeah thats possible

My uncle was paratrooper qualified. When used to come back home , he would be deadbeat for weeks

Any authentic source which says Gurkhas carry less weight than other regiments? That would mean especially creating equipment with less weight for Gurkhas or they will have to carry less ammunition and equipment, which the army will not do as that will make them weaker and more vulnerable. All infantry regiments have raiding teams, shock teams, sniper teams, etc. Every infantry regiment is self sufficient to carry out all sorts of infantry related task without help from other regiments, if the need arises.

Gurkhas's average weigh 130 - 150 pounds, load in question 110 pounds, do you think it's good for an uphill mountain warfare esque fighting? Load is stripped down to around 60 - 70 pounds or so including gun.

Here's dossier explaining their fighting doctrine.

The Royal Gurkha Rifles - British Army Website

 

[Abingdonboy]

They will not be placed in combat missions I think.
No combat role for women in near future: General Bikram Singh - The Times of India
Women simply don't have the capability to lift 110 pounds and run 20 miles everyday for LRPs. Also they have "issues" which no army is equipped to take care of. Also heigh is a problem, most are below 5'4 -5'6.

The importance of height in armed forces is vastly exaggerated by common public who have little knowledge about their requirement. In Indian Army, a man must be at least 5'4'' and a woman must be at least 5'2''. No special preference for tall people. That info I've got from my cousin, an army Major. In militaries around the world, many people are below average height. I once read somewhere (I can't remember where) that the percent of below average height men in British SAS is much higher than that in British population.
Short people have many advantages like better reflexes, faster body movements, higher power to weight ratio, lower centre of gravity (hence greater stability), their bones are less prone to fracture, etc.

I think you are missing the point.

These women will NOT be combat/infantry officers. They are being inducted into the support services- Medical, Signals, logistics etc HOWEVER they are getting PERMANENT commissions (this being the first batch in fact) so like their male counterparts they are going through an infantry ORIENTATION course to familiarises themselves with the BASICS of combat. They will in no way be combat certified nor will they go on to serve in combat roles but as they are going to be part of the IA for the long term it makes perfect sense for them to have an understanding on such things.


The IA rightly doesn't have females in combat roles but that is neither here nor there as these females are not going to combatants.



Have to say was impressed by these female officers.