The increasing responsibility of Pakistan Navy and is it ready?

[Khafee]

its time to buy j13 from china

J13..? Which one is this?

 

[Manidabest]

J13..? Which one is this?

ops j15

 

[Zulfiqar]

Could always get worse, especially now

BTW PAF did advise the Saudis w.r.t targeting in yemen.

Former Air chief Sohail Aman sb mentioned that in an event. A video of it was floating around here and on youtube.

 

[Khafee]

BTW PAF did advise the Saudis w.r.t targeting in yemen.

Former Air chief Sohail Aman sb mentioned that in an event. A video of it was floating around here and on youtube.

Bhai meray, best to not mention what PA/PAF is doing in Yemen, other wise snow flakes and terrorist mullah lovers will start hounding you.

 

[TsAr]

Bhai meray, best to not mention what PA/PAF is doing in Yemen, other wise snow flakes and terrorist mullah lovers will start hounding you.

Astagfirulah, Haram Haram......

 

[Blue Marlin]

Yemen was a min $75bn+ boat (over 5yrs) Pakistan missed. The situation is now under control and progressing well.

yes indeed you have got nothing better to do than kill civillians and here is every one calling us and the yanks monsters.......

 

[Khafee]

yes indeed you have got nothing better to do than kill civillians and here is every one calling us and the yanks monsters.......

The legitimate govt of Yemen requested assistance. Updating yourself would help, instead of howling like an idiot.

 

[Blue Marlin]

The legitimate govt of Yemen requested assistance. Updating yourself would help, instead of howling like an idiot.

yeah sure just like how Afghanistan requested help of the usa right?

 

[Khafee]

yeah sure just like how Afghanistan requested help of the usa right?

You didn't have to say that and expose yourself. Anyways who am I stop you, go ahead....

 

[Blue Marlin]

You didn't have to say that and expose yourself. Anyways who am I stop you, go ahead....

say what? my other thread thats normal and sorted. i have an idea if the yemen government has given consent, land invasion. lets see how much of a fighter you really are instead of getting others to do it for you.

anyway bye for now.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

BTW PAF did advise the Saudis w.r.t targeting in yemen.

Former Air chief Sohail Aman sb mentioned that in an event. A video of it was floating around here and on youtube.

There was so a PAF C-130 floating on Yemen

 

[Khafee]

There was so a PAF C-130 floating on Yemen

C130 bus? thats it...?

 

[GriffinsRule]

Best decision Pakistan made in recent history was to not join the war in Yemen.

 

[Pakhtoon yum]

C130 bus? thats it...?

That's only what I've heard and only what has been made public

 

[Signalian]

Question is how to effectively counter the threat posed by the IN and IAF denying a certain distance from Pakistani coast?
That distance is greater due to increase in threat level. threats posed by IN and IAF currently and in near future.

PN's major and only offensive weapon platform which can hunt and strike remaining undetected for quite some time is the SUBMARINE.

The Submarine VS Strike Aircraft Debate

Pakistan's Submarines will keep IN ships and subs at bay, when PN subs are operating near Pakistan's coastline and protecting Pakistan's EEZ. IN aircrafts like P-8 or any other ASW aircrafts wouldn't dare come near PN subs as the air space would be guarded by F-16's and JF-17's. Submarines possess torpedoes, that can be fired at long range and any angle. The torpedo can also be programmed to lock on, and pursue the acoustic signature of the target ship, if range is exceeded. At longer ranges, they can engage with Harpoon anti-ship missiles, fired from a torpedo tube.

PN submarine will face a tough time against IN's P-8's etc because aircraft can not only provide a longer reach weapon wise, but thanks to sonobuoys and other sensors, allow a firm track on the submarine and at that point, it is nothing more than a slow target which cannot ward off an aircraft through SAM. Pakistan's submarine can be warned off by just dropping an active buoy by IN aircraft in front of submarine and pinging it.

Submarine lacks in speed where as one of the advantages that an aircraft and a surface ship has is speed. While a submarine’s weapons are longer range, a burst of speed can close the distance and mess their targeting solution quickly. Passive targeting involves Target Motion Analysis which works great if the target maintain course and speed, but if the target is constantly changing both, becomes much harder.

The issue with strike aircrafts is that they will be detected by enemy's radar and engaged by IN/IAF aircrafts. So aircrafts lose on the element of surprise, which a submarine posses to its advantage, till of course its discovered and engaged. So submarine has lesser enemies (P-8 and other ASW aircrafts) till its detected where as strike aircrafts will have a large number of IN and IAF aircrafts engaging them as they approach to engage IN Naval targets, apart from other SAM systems which could be ground based or ship based.

True that aircarft have primary anti-air capability and a secondary strike capability, which means thay can conduct CAP's and escort missions and strike ground targets and Naval ships, where as submarines can strike ground and naval targets having no air defence capability. This makes aircrafts a better asset in terms of multi role capability.

Submarines hold a unique advantage, the PN submarine force can keep much of IN surface and submerged elements engaged in anti-submarine warfare for as long as the war continues. Anti-submarine warfare relies on numbers, many ships and aircrafts tasked with finding and fighting one submarine. With the induction of 8 new submarines, this is exactly what PN is hoping for in an event of war. These will be diesel-electric, actually diesel running on batteries are hardest to detect as they will proceed into shallower water and are far quieter. Since they prefer noisier locations, hunting these subs becomes harder.

In IN waters, the stealth profile of PN subs plus the long range that they can operate is the chance that PN could be willing to take by sending a few across and keeping IN tied down as much as it can in protecting its coast, which is in 1000's of Km's. This holds a major disadvantage for IN and major advantage to PN subs.