The Guardian: Öcalan - My real role in Kurds' struggle for freedom

[xenon54 out]

We follow a man who saved us from a racist and facist rule like the turkish.

Yeah saved by saying, ''i will help the Turkish state against PKK'' or ''I am a half Turk i love Turks'', your ''leader'' is a covard nothing more.

For what? Everybody knows ataturk was racist. He was a general during the Armenian genocide and he gave order to kill Kurds in Dersim massacre. These are well known facts. Tell me, who gave the order to bomb tens of thousands of civilian Kurds during Dersim and Zilan massacre?

Omg how stupid are you? He was fighting in Gallipoli during the claimed Armenian incident.

 

[Kompromat]

We follow a man who saved us from a racist and facist rule like the turkish. The majority of turkish members here are assimilated Circassians, Laz, Yugoslavs/Albaniacs, Macedonians, Greeks. They were not as lucky as Kurds to have a strong leader like Öcalan who could take care of their people. Mind you, most ethnic people of Anatolia are not racist or have anything against each other. If you look in Ottoman history, most people lived side by side. But the invention of the kemalist virus and racism destroyed most of Anatolia. Today, there are only Kurds left to stand up against it. Most other ethnicities are assimilated and filled with racism. I believe you even have a Circassian/'Turkish' moderator. Ask if he knows Circassian.

Racism is un-islamic. Practicing Muslims, must pure their hearts from this evil. Allah, created all human beings as equal and from the same clot of blood. I wish for Kurds and Turks and others to workout their differences and live in peace. We have been living in the dark ages for a century, its time for the Muslim world to take back whats rightfully ours, work with each other and make us strong, united people.

 

[xenon54 out]

Racism is un-islamic. Practicing Muslims, must pure their hearts from this evil. Allah, created all human beings as equal and from the same clot of blood. I wish for Kurds and Turks and others to workout their differences and live in peace. We have been living in the dark ages for a century, its time for the Muslim world to take back whats rightfully ours, work with each other and make us strong, united people.

Your talking to a atheist, marxist, terrorist worshipper.

BTW: why is it allowed to make Propaganda for a Terrorist organisation in PDF?

 

[Bahoz]

Your talking to a atheist, marxist, terrorist worshipper.

BTW: why is it allowed to make Propaganda for a Terrorist organisation in PDF?

Istaghfurallah. We are not all like you kemalist, racist and atheist turks. Most of the people in Turkey ( including majority of Kurds and Turks) are Muslims and we are proud Muslims Alhamdulilah. I have engaged in numerous Islamic discussions on this forum if you have not already noticed.

Where is it you think I am making any kind of propaganda?

Racism is un-islamic. Practicing Muslims, must pure their hearts from this evil. Allah, created all human beings as equal and from the same clot of blood. I wish for Kurds and Turks and others to workout their differences and live in peace. We have been living in the dark ages for a century, its time for the Muslim world to take back whats rightfully ours, work with each other and make us strong, united people.

We are trying. But as you can see, some people stand in the way of fraternity between all peoples of Anatolia. These people are namely ataturk worshippers ( like the ones in this thread). Unfortunately. But do not worry. kemalists are generally not majority anymore in Turkey. We are going in the right direction.

 

[xenon54 out]

Istaghfurallah. We are not all like you kemalist, racist and atheist turks. Most of the people in Turkey ( including majority of Kurds and Turks) are Muslims and we are proud Muslims Alhamdulilah. I have engaged in numerous Islamic discussions on this forum if you have not already noticed.

Im living in central Europe i know many pkk members and not a single one is muslim so go fool yourself.

Where is it you think I am making any kind of propaganda?

This thread for exsample.

 

[Kompromat]

Your talking to a atheist, marxist, terrorist worshipper.
BTW: why is it allowed to make Propaganda for a Terrorist organisation in PDF?

Istaghfurallah. We are not all like you kemalist, racist and atheist turks. Most of the people in Turkey ( including majority of Kurds and Turks) are Muslims and we are proud Muslims Alhamdulilah. I have engaged in numerous Islamic discussions on this forum if you have not already noticed.

Where is it you think I am making any kind of propaganda?

Why do you think we have Indians and Israelis on this forum?

We don't exactly like them, though the purpose is to bridge gaps by providing them the space to talk honestly to each other. Our purpose is to 'bridge' gaps not widen the gaps that already exist between people.

As a matter of forum policy - we will take action if any member insights violence or uses this website to encourage a violent terrorist activity.

 

[Shah9]

With Turkey supporting Al Qaeda in the borders.

We should arm those Kurds secretly thru Iraq to Syria.

Proxies against Arabs combined with Turkey

 

[xenon54 out]

As a matter of forum policy - we will take action if any member insights violence or uses this website to encourage a violent terrorist activity.

Well, pkk is a terrorist organisation and öcalan is their leader, bahoz is allways opening threads where he makes propaganda for them but nothing happens...

 

[Bahoz]

Im living in central Europe i know many pkk members and not a single one is muslim so go fool yourself.


This thread for exsample.

Well, I am not going to claim that you are not a Muslim. That was actually a mistake of me since it is un-Islamic to judge others. If you do not believe me being a Muslim that is your own decission. If you ever have any questions about Islam we can go at it. But I encourage you to read Quran or Hadith prior to a discussion.

Well, pkk is a terrorist organisation and öcalan is their leader, bahoz is allways opening threads where he make propaganda for them but nothing happens...

All my threads are based on international and world reknown newspapers and medias. Most of my topics are even made up of Turkish state medias. So how can it be propaganda? You need to understand the difference between revealing the truth and propaganda. You live in Europe, right? You should know the difference. This forum is a tool of democracy and exchanging ideas. You might be a kemalist dictatorworshipper, but please learn to understand the meaning of democracy and free speech now that you live in Europe.

 

[Kompromat]

@xenon54

As Pakistanis, we are friends with Turkey as well as we wish peace for the Kurdish people. They are your countrymen, they deserve to have their rights fulfilled and in return they ought to denounce violence.

Erdogan has taken positive steps towards national integration of the Kurds into Turkish society. And i firmly think, that this must be kept up. If the Kurdish people get a sense of belonging a vast majority will denounce violence and would join in Turkey's progress.

We face similar challenges and Erdogan's approach is a role model for us.

 

[xenon54 out]

Well, I am not going to claim that you are not a Muslim. That was actually a mistake of me since it is un-Islamic to judge others. If you do not believe me being a Muslim that is your own decission. If you ever have any questions about Islam we can go at it. But I encourage you to read Quran or Hadith prior to a discussion.

You better stop to talk with me about islam you would loose, i was 10 years every week in mosque in my childhood, so leave it.

 

[Chronos]

We don't exactly like them, though the purpose is to bridge gaps by providing them the space to talk honestly to each other. Our purpose is to 'bridge' gaps not widen the gaps that already exist between people.

As a matter of forum policy - we will take action if any member insights violence or uses this website to encourage a violent terrorist activity.

No offense, there are no bridged gaps here. In fact, the nationalism is amplified here.

Thank god the common man is different from the internet warriors here, because nukes would be flying now.

 

[Bahoz]

You better stop to talk with me about islam you would loose, i was 10 years every week in mosque in my childhood, so leave it.

What would I lose? Also, going to Mosque regularly does not necessarily make you a good Muslim.

 

[xenon54 out]

@xenon54

As Pakistanis, we are friends with Turkey as well as we wish peace for the Kurdish people. They are your countrymen, they deserve to have their rights fulfilled and in return they ought to denounce violence.

Erdogan has taken positive steps towards national integration of the Kurds into Turkish society. And i firmly think, that this must be kept up. If the Kurdish people get a sense of belonging a vast majority will denounce violence and would join in Turkey's progress.

We face similar challenges and Erdogan's approach is a role model for us.

He can open every thread about Kurds and their problems im fine with this, and i dont deny that kurds have problems but he is worshipping pkk, thats my problem.

What would I lose? Also, going to Mosque regularly does not necessarily make you a good Muslim.

I meant you would loose in debate, i was not wisiting i was studying in mosque...

 

[Kompromat]

@Bahoz

We have banned PKK members on Defence.pk before. Since we walk a very thin line, trying to create a balanced debate, i would request you to always be reasonable and engage in respectful debates. As much as we like to have diverse opinions, we never ever, under no circumstances allow incitement of violence. Please make a note of this.

Thanks