The Greatest Generals of World

[Icarus]

lol

Do you know in US bases in Pakistan , our forces cant enter?

This is contrary to a public statement by Pakistan’s Defence Minister in December 2009 on a Talk Show, reported among others by The Nation at the time:

“Defence Minister Ch Ahmad Mukhtar, while responding to former CGS [Chief of General Staff] Lt Gen (retd) Shahid Aziz in a TV interview, has conceded that the airbases at Jacobabad and Pasni continue to be used by US forces in the area without any fresh agreement, in continuance of the agreement made during the Musharraf era.”

No wild statements, I need facts, maps, diagrams, pictures, testimonies, got any ?

 

[waraich66]

No wild statements, I need facts, maps, diagrams, pictures, testimonies, got any ?

Send your application to Pentagon

 

[mikkix]

In our lifetime the best general that i and we have ever seen now is general Zia-ul-Haq..Reasons..
Division of USSR worlds super power and made this world Unipolar....
His strategies as a general is tremendous if he survived more then definitely he will conquer some more like may be Kashmir(this is Not a troll plz)..

 

[amit27]

Zia-ul-Haq lol OMG this thread has turned to the dark side he was a sicko who made things like blasphamy law and crushed minority rights in PAK so glad he was killed should have been alot sooner in my book.

 

[mikkix]

Zia-ul-Haq lol OMG this thread has turned to the dark side he was a sicko who made things like blasphamy law and crushed minority rights in PAK so glad he was killed should have been alot sooner in my book.

The thread is not that who is psycho, minority activists or blasphemer,,,the thread is gr8test generals and what i said Zia was one of the gr8test generals that played a major role in crushing USSR in current times......
He might captured Kashmir too if he had some time...

 

[amit27]

captured Kashmir lol are u dreaming, the stinger missiles played a bigger role then General Zia, without CIA funding and weapons the mujahedins were sitting ducks and useless.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

captured Kashmir lol are u dreaming, the stinger missiles played a bigger role then General Zia, without CIA funding and weapons the mujahedins were sitting ducks and useless.

Im sorry but u showed ur ignorace by ur silly comment....

Stinger doesnt defeat an army with everythin frm tanks to missiles at its disposal... rather its the stategy n tactics tht defeat an army known to be the worlds largest n of the worlds SUPER POWER... of tht time.

The funding played a role only to arms the mujahideen with aks n stingers wat abt the tactics,stategy,training and leadersip?

 

[amit27]

Im sorry but u showed ur ignorace by ur silly comment....

Stinger doesnt defeat an army with everythin frm tanks to missiles at its disposal... rather its the stategy n tactics tht defeat an army known to be the worlds largest n of the worlds SUPER POWER... of tht time.

The funding played a role only to arms the mujahideen with aks n stingers wat abt the tactics,stategy,training and leadersip?

Without the stinger missiles the mujahideens were sitting ducks, have u heard of Charlie wilson b4? they were being picked off easily by russian helicopters only once the stingers reached the fighters it became a game changer.

 

[amit27]

Using his extraordinary power as a member of the US House of Representatives Defense Appropriations subcommittee throughout the Carter, Reagan, and GHW Bush administrations, Wilson succeeded in quadrupling the $30 million requested by the CIA in 1984 for the Afghan resistance to $630 million in 1987, each increment matched by the Saudis. (2) In 1986, the formidable Wilson prevailed over the Pentagon, CIA, and State Department resistance to supplying the Islamists in Afghanistan with 1000 shoulder-fired surface-to-air Stinger missiles and 250 launchers.(2) When the last Russian soldier bid adieu to Afghanistan in February 1989, Wilson boasted that his guys had won.


Charlie Wilson’s Rapture: Arming Afghan Islamists as Unintended Prelude to 9/11

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Without the stinger missiles the mujahideens were sitting ducks, have u heard of Charlie wilson b4? they were being picked off easily by russian helicopters only once the stingers reached the fighters it became a game changer.

Yes dont see too much movies... downing a few helis in more then a decade dont win wars against a super power.

If thts the case even now Afghan taliban have the weapons delivered to them in the 80s n still they r shooting down helis and even drones.

 

[amit27]

Without Charlie wilson, the Mujahedin had no hope in hell

Stingers Reach Afghan Fighters and the Soviets Withdraw

On March 21, 1986, President Reagan proclaimed Afghanistan Day, citing the “continuing horror of the Soviet attempt to subjugate Afghanistan, and on March 30, 1986, the Washington Post reported “US sends new arms to rebels; Afghans, Angolans get Stinger missiles in change of policy.” (Lundberg, p. 63). Stinger reached the hands of Afghan rebels in September 1986 and, as expected, they were effective in shooting down Soviet helicopters. One year later, President Gorbachev announced that his government had decided to withdraw all its forces from Afghanistan. The last ground troops quit Afghanistan in February 1989. In a 60 Minutes interview, Zia positively glowed about the outcome: “If there is a single man who has played a part in the war that will be recorded in golden letters, it is the Right Honorable Charley Wilson. Wilson did it.”

 

[Old School]

The moment a General enters politics while in uniform , he abdicates the very core value of military professionalism. All the greatest Generals in history adhered to this policy . The exception of this core value can only be seen in Banana or semi banana republics.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Originally Posted by Old School
"The moment a General enters politics while in uniform , he abdicates the very core value of military professionalism. All the greatest Generals in history adhered to this policy . The exception of this core value can only be seen in Banana or semi banana republics."

@ Old School,
Well said, Sir.
Every pillar of Society has a clearly defined task to perform. If soldiers end up governing, if journalists end up adjudicating, if politicians run the army and so on; it clearly means that Society has been rendered dysfunctional. And that Society will pay a huge price for its inability to perform i.e. it becomes a 'Banana Republic'.

 

[Super Falcon]

no one is greater than Khalid bin waleed when it comes to making war strategy against enemy he won with 100 times smalles army against 100 times bigger army of his

 

[Old School]

no one is greater than Khalid bin waleed when it comes to making war strategy against enemy he won with 100 times smalles army against 100 times bigger army of his

I am sure that Khalid bin Waleed was a great general .
However, the concept of war was very different in those days until the late 17th century. In those days , the outcome of a war was decided upon the result on some particular battlefields where two sides would face each other for a decisive battle. One general could view the entire battle formations from a distance due to the limited size of the battle field. Many among his hundred victories were little more than 'caravan raids' which were exaggerated by devoted religious writers as battles.
This is no longer the case. Now days , a theatre can be as large as a thousand square miles and the outcome of a war does not necessarily depend on the outcome of few battles. A battalion commander of a modern army needs to carry out more tasks than a general of those days. Therefore, ancient generals can not be compared with modern generals. Hannibal , Alexander the Great or Napoleon were much more closer to the function of a modern day general.