The Glory of the Mughal Empire

[atatwolf]

how can you call mughals as turkik empire, they had no contact with turkey as far as I know. They used farsi in their courts. Genetically early moghuls might be .. then they got heavily desi mixed.

Why did Babur write his biography in Turki language, his mother language?

Mother language tells the origin of people, not the court language.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

Mughals have nothing to do with Turkey what so ever. Sure, the Uzbeks, etc. can lay claim to the early Mughals, but that's about it.

But after Akbar the Great, almost every emperor had Rajput, some Afghan, etc in them.

 

[mughal arslan shah mirza]

Lol, why is pakistani calling himself Mughal, I am tamil lankan anyway. Never been ruled by muslims although we respect the Mughals.

Well you claimed initially that Tamils have never been ruled by Muslims and Nin showed you that you have been.
And there are living mughals still. You think they disappeared into thin air.

 

[livingdead]

Friend,

This thread is a didactic thread for history folks. Please don't try to incite flame arguments here. Thank You.

dont talk to tiger.. he will bite you..

 

[Aepsilons]

dont talk to tiger.. he will bite you..

LOL. Maybe we can train it ?

 

[livingdead]

Why did Babur write his biography in Turki language, his mother language?

Mother language tells the origin of people, not the court language.

yeh, early moghul as I said... have you seen his "empire"? and what happened after him? it was a small kingdom.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

What is Turkic? It's literally like saying Indo-European, Afroasiatic, etc. It includes a shit ton of people. Uzbek, yes.

 

[Aepsilons]

They ruled the outskirts of tamil land for 15 years, 15 years isn't considered ruling. And only Turkic people can claim the Mughals, not Pakistanis. They ruled you people for 1000 years.

The term Pakistani is a new creation, the people that make up Pakistan have genetic imprint from Turkic , Arab, Persian, Mongol and indigenous people from present day India. So, of course they have every right to claim descent from Mughals. So do Indians, too.

 

[atatwolf]

In the past there was no difference between Uzbek, Turk, Azeri, Uighur or what every Turkic peoples. They were all from Oghuz tribe. Later this tribe got divided and went conquered places. At the end we are all the same people and the history belongs to all Turkic peoples. Not only to one Turkic people.

What is Turkic? It's literally like saying Indo-European, Afroasiatic, etc. It includes a shit ton of people. Uzbek, yes.

There was never a group of people called indo european. There was a people called Oghuz people from Oghuz tribe. All Turkic peoples come from that tribe you summed up there.

 

[Aepsilons]

yeh, early moghul as I said... have you seen his "empire"? and what happened after him? it was a small kingdom.

Like all things, bro, it morphed into something greater, bigger...!

 

[Water Car Engineer]

In the past there was no difference between Uzbek, Turk, Azeri, Uighur or what every Turkic peoples. They were all from Oghuz tribe. Later this tribe got divided and went conquered places. At the end we are all the same people and the history belongs to all Turkic peoples. Not only to one Turkic people.

They are not the same. Have you seen the average Anatolian in Turkey compared to an Uzbek? An average Anatolian is genetically more related to an Armenian or Greek than a Uzbek. Sure you had some genetic influx from Turkic groups, but there were Arab influx too.

 

[mughal arslan shah mirza]

That kingdom at its peak stretched over all of the Sub-continent right upto areas in Afghanistan where mughals were engaged in warring with Safavids. It was one of the richest kingdoms on the planet

@Nihonjin1051

Bro, these people know the reality damn well. They like to believe that mughals disappeared into thin air. Mughals have a pretty big community in Pakistan actually.

 

[wolfschanzze]

Assam is North east, Indian.

Assam was called Kamrup part of India, Pakistani.

 

[Aepsilons]

In the past there was no difference between Uzbek, Turk, Azeri, Uighur or what every Turkic peoples. They were all from Oghuz tribe. Later this tribe got divided and went conquered places. At the end we are all the same people and the history belongs to all Turkic peoples. Not only to one Turkic people.


There was never a group of people called indo european. There was a people called Oghuz people from Oghuz tribe. All Turkic peoples come from that tribe you summed up there.

Brother @atatwolf , so you're a proponent of Pan-Turkism ?

 

[Contrarian]

Why did Babur write his biography in Turki language, his mother language?

Mother language tells the origin of people, not the court language.

I have to agree with @Water Car Engineer .
Akbar onwards had barely anything to do with Turkey. They genetically mixed with Indians and Afghans. And by the end, they damn well looked like Bengalis!

Their language also changed. You are holding Babur was the benchmark for all the successive Mughals, while that is not true.